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shadownomad4 said:"I am the Path, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the father except through me."

Could it not have been stated more clearly? If there were any other option, he wouldn't have said "except through me."

Person B: I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through me.
Person C: I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through me.
😁😁😁

Michael Moore3 said:And which specific teaching was it that made them feel so threatened?

Thelema.

Well, nothing special, really... he was part of their little group, but the second they heard the direction his teachings were heading, they kicked him to the curb. And the woman standing up there on the stage—you know, the one acting all intensely focused, claiming she was tracking the astral vibrations—she actually leaned over to her colleague and whispered, "See? I knew they were here."
Just a bunch of pretentious, middle-aged suburbanites playing at being occultists. It reminds me of that amateur crew over at www.hermeticism.com.
Believe me, I’ve encountered much more profound masters than these pretenders, and unlike these posers, the real ones don't feel the need to parade their ego around like trophies.

Michael Moore3 said:I think your bias against them might be keeping you from seeing the Truth tucked away in their teachings.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they hold the monopoly on absolute Truth, but there is a certain weight to the insights they share simply because they offer them up for free, which arguably makes them more significant than many other doctrines out there...

I had a buddy who once attended one of those Rosicrucian gatherings—and honestly? As soon as they caught wind of his interests, they suddenly claimed they’d had some sort of astral vision of him and promptly kicked him out of the hall...
So, there you have it—that's the deal with them, their supposed knowledge, and everything else that comes with it.

Michael Moore3 said:I’ve looked into this quite thoroughly, trying to approach it without any judgment or doubt, just coming from a place of wanting to truly grasp what you're getting at

but honestly, all I see is a narrative that mirrors our own discussions here so closely that it feels as though you might have picked up certain threads from a guru and woven them into your own story

I’m also not buying what they're selling, mainly because that show where the guru was featured seems to have this odd habit of charging for God's word... for instance, in one episode discussing Messianic Jews (those who recognize Jesus as the Messiah), they were advertising this new "Power Bible," which was supposedly "free," yet you had to "donate" $5 just to cover production costs to actually receive it
for comparison, groups like the Rosenkreuzers share their teachings quite freely without demanding a fee to access their wisdom
generally speaking, any knowledge that comes with a price tag tends to be worthless to me

It is with a heavy heart that I have to admit you haven't convinced me, especially since it seems this particular guru hasn't actually read every religious text if he managed to skip over the Bible... it also appears his meditation was aimed at triggering specific feelings, which misses the whole point of meditation; those emotions are really just distractions that get in the way of true insight, and focusing on them only slows down the process

Those "Rosicrucians" are nothing more than a bunch of eloquent, pseudo-intellectual fossils who gather for tea parties just to drone on about "spiritual" matters. Whatever they're handing out so freely? It isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

shadownomad4 said:My proof lies in the written Word within the Bible and the lived testimony of Jesus in my own life.

Look, you might be able to peddle those little tricks to the gullible—the ones who are starving for a bit of spirituality—but not to me. Just because you believe something is true doesn't actually make it so... even if you claim it's written in that book you call the Bible.
I’ve seen this rhetoric before; I know the methods, the patterns, all of it. Honestly? I find myself wondering how anyone can even stomach performing like this.

shadownomad4 said:The Holy Spirit is a Person, and He was given to us on this earth to serve as our guide.

I am here to demonstrate the Truth, which is Jesus. Nothing more and nothing less; He stands alongside the Truth as the only Way and the only Life. Anything else is merely a delusion provided by Satan.

And how exactly do you "prove" it? Through arguments? Rhetoric? If that were the case, I could prove just about anything. Besides, isn't this desperate need to provide proof really just a reflection of one's own insecurity?

shadownomad4 said:The Truth isn't truly within you until the Holy Spirit resides within you. Right now, what you're experiencing is a lie because you are being guided by a spirit that provides a "functional delusion"—it makes you believe in your own actions just to keep you going. That is precisely why Sin came: to reveal the Truth to you. But let's be honest, it is much easier to live a lie than to accept the Truth, because accepting it means you have to walk away from the lifestyle you've built. So, you simply refuse to accept it.

It makes your head spin and leaves you feeling sick when you consider the possibility that you've been deceived all along. You can't even fathom it. You tell yourself, "There is no way I'm throwing away everything I've invested my whole life into!" Yet, a small part of you whispers, "But what if the Truth spoken by shadownomad4 is right? What if I've messed everything up?" And then, just like before, you shut it down: "Whatever, this isn't 'Truth,' I'm on the right path and I don't need to overthink it."

This cycle continues until you finally realize that there is only one Truth. If you truly love the Truth, you will inevitably find your way to Jesus, because He has always had a special interest in those seeking Him and has always drawn them close.

I have walked the very path you are on, and I know how difficult it was to strip away the doctrines I spent years absorbing through alternative studies. Now, thank God, I no longer have those nagging questions about eternity or God.🙂

I am fully convinced that everything else is an illusion except for Jesus, having personally explored all those "other ways." You can judge me however you like.

Sure, we can label it that way if it helps, but the fundamental issue remains: you all continue to interpret what you call the Holy Spirit as something external, something separate, and that is precisely the perspective from which you are writing. It is entirely possible—and quite a real possibility, frankly—that you have merely constructed a mental entity that you've labeled the "Holy Spirit," which then proceeds to dictate your thoughts and actions.
The danger in the path you're taking is that you might just become a victim of your own fascination.

It makes your head spin and leaves you feeling sick to your stomach when you consider the possibility that you've been deceived all along—and that's not even an option you want to entertain. "I can't just throw away everything I've invested so much in!" you tell yourself. Yet, another part of you whispers, "But what if the Truth shadownomad4 is talking about is real? What if I've messed up?" And then, predictably, you revert to your old habit: "Oh, please, what 'Truth'? I'm on the right path; there's nothing to think about."
This cycle continues until you finally realize that there is only one Truth. If you truly love the Truth, you will inevitably find your way to Jesus, because He has always had a special interest in people like that, drawing them toward Him.

I have walked the very path you are on, and I can tell you, letting go of the doctrines I spent years absorbing through alternative studies was no easy feat. But now? Thank God, I no longer find myself plagued by these endless questions about eternity.🙂

I am convinced that everything else is a delusion except for Jesus—having explored those "other paths" myself—so feel free to say whatever you like about me.

It seems to me that you are more preoccupied with proving your path is correct than actually walking it. Something to ponder.

shadownomad4 said:Tihica, this isn't the Truth. Don't speak about things you haven't personally experienced.

4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the Church. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.

1 Corinthians 14:4, 14, 15

There is a distinct difference between the gift you mentioned and the gift given for one's own edification. There is another verse—though I can't recall the exact location—that states "when our spirit prays, it speaks the mysteries of God..." which implies that our spirit knows exactly what needs to be requested. When we pray in tongues prior to our conscious prayer, we receive answers in the Spirit. This differs from when we begin with our intellect (our native language); in those cases, we are limited by our reasoning. Instead, we should be guided by revelation coming through the Spirit, which sometimes may seem nonsensical given a difficult situation, yet the peace that descends upon our spirit tells us to press on toward the fulfillment of that prayer.

In our community, anyone who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit has automatically spoken in tongues; there is no one among us who hasn't. Some received this gift while praying with the Pastor or with brothers and sisters, while others experienced it privately at home. Tongues are an expression of our spirit rising within us when we decide to stand against Satan and his works. The Holy Spirit dwells in everyone who has prayed the prayer of salvation, though He does not manifest His power to those who do not believe in His gifts.
As we know, everything is dictated by our faith, and everything that happens to a Christian—or fails to happen—is reciprocal to their knowledge of who they are in Christ.

If we limit the operation of the Holy Spirit within ourselves, that is exactly what happens.
Would the Father give a snake if we asked Him for bread? You remember that verse, surely.
So, if you pray in Jesus' name for the expansion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and you already possess them within you, He will not give you anything from the devil.
If you are afraid, it means your faith is not complete and Love does not fully reign.
Therefore, relax and ask the Holy Spirit, who is within you as I can see, to fill you with His strength and reignite His gifts within you. You will witness His faithfulness, and in doing so, you will live in the full abundance of His blessings—not to mention how much more the Lord will be glorified through the use of your gifts for His glory.

I know you will tell me again that He gives the gift of tongues to some and the gift of interpretation to others. That is true; that gift becomes evident when God speaks in tongues through someone possessing the gift of interpretation for the entire Church. It never happens without the presence of the person holding that gift, and I have experienced this countless times myself. 1 Corinthians 14:5 "...that it may profit the Church."

Essentially, there is a difference between the gift of tongues for personal edification and the gift used to build up the Church.
Please, ask the Holy Spirit to grant you revelation on this before you move forward.
Blessings.

shadownomad4, regarding these tongues—do you all have them recorded somehow, or at least written down?
I mean, since you all speak in these various tongues, I am genuinely curious. First of all, WHAT languages are they?

bluemason3 said:I haven't the slightest clue.😳 🤷

But looking at this PDF, it’s basically turned into some weird "back to the sixties" thing—like some kind of chemical spirituality.😁

I mean, everything surrounding us is essentially just chemical compounds. I don't see what the issue is there.

slydriver17 said:The "I" isn't even anything more than a shifting illusion anyway. You either are it or you aren't. Being "proud" is just another side of a complex. It's pointless.🙂

Can someone give me a translation?

feralhound55 said:@jademarlin26: The OP should probably weigh in on that. My take? It’s because there's an expectation that people reading those PDFs have actually matured—so they won't "sink" to the level of nitpicking or those "infantile outbursts" Quote said, as per Ravih. Apparently, these "spiritual gurus" are expected to have conquered their egos by now.

Look, spirituality is a slippery slope. Anyone can claim just about anything, and it doesn't mean a single word of it aligns with reality. Personally? I don't consider myself a spiritual person—not even close—and frankly, I'm perfectly fine with that.