Posts by Joshua Gray75

rustywalker42 said:That is exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time!

There’s zero legal basis, so they can't actually do anything to you.

I could try to get you back in. Or rather, they won't let you through.
And then you'll just have to try again later... or maybe in a few days... it's basically like playing the lottery...☕

rustywalker42 said:So, Božinović just announced at the press conference—6,700 people supposedly "violated" the stay-at-home order. Apparently, they haven't issued fines to anyone except those who broke self-isolation.

Basically, just more proof that they have zero legal basis for this ban. 🙂

Heard that. ☕
Maybe tomorrow he’ll claim the whole thing was just an April Fool’s prank...

(And if it wasn't—will they actually penalize whoever spread the misinformation? I highly doubt it...☕)

Even Capak mentioned that we might start thinking about "easing restrictions"—very broadly speaking... provided the infection numbers drop for five consecutive days.

Now, here's the thing.
Either that's also an April Fool's joke—or he already knows those numbers aren't going down anytime soon, especially if they plan on ramping up testing every single day.

More testing inevitably leads to more confirmed cases. It’s as simple as that...
But it serves its purpose—throwing out a little "carrot" to keep the public occupied and distracted from the fact that "maybe around mid-April" is still a pipe dream.

Kyle Nelson2 said:Maybe we need the Democrats... but they’re out here pushing ideas about year-long mortgage moratoriums instead of actually doing anything useful...

Has anyone actually reached out to the Democratic Party here?
Well—I just did. I sent over the exact same thing I included in my previous post...

☕

Well... if we can actually trust Wikipedia—this is how it looks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_the_United_States

The US has thousands of municipalities.
The smallest municipality by population is a tiny small town in a rural county with just 137 residents. Meanwhile, the smallest by land area is a small town in the Midwest covering only about 6.1 square miles...

A whole municipality spanning just 6 square miles... almost every neighborhood in Washington, D.C. (except for Downtown, which is larger...) would dwarf that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neighborhoods_in_Washington,_D.C.

Perhaps it’s becoming clearer to some people just how extreme these movement restrictions have become...

Melissa Phillips4 said:It’s absurd. You can’t even move within a small town of 2,000 people, yet in a massive metropolis like NYC with at least 8 million residents, everything is business as usual.
I’m forbidden from traveling to Washington, D.C., even though the city limits are barely 100 meters from my street. I can't even pull into a gas station because it’s located 1.2 miles, but somehow it counts as part of the city?
Absolutely terrifying. A total disgrace.

I really wouldn't want to be accused of being ironic right now... but—good morning, 😉

Alexander Thompson said:Since you haven't exactly been successful at convincing anyone of anything up to this point, this doesn't really change a thing for you anyway.🤷

I'm speaking in generalities here... I never claimed that was my own personal anecdote. It could be someone close to me... or perhaps just some random person from Reddit... it hardly matters.
I used the word EXAMPLE!
(I even went ahead and applied a 🙄 #svakaRitDojdeNaŠekret edit...
)
(That's precisely why I suggested nobody get hung up on that specific sentence...)

electricorca112 said:There isn’t even a hint of forgery in what Frank Knight wrote. It’s really just about how supposedly easy it is to get your hands on it. completely legal Pass.

To be honest, not everyone sharing their stories here seems to have had the same experience as he did. It’s pretty obvious that things vary wildly from one place to the next—or rather, from one bureaucrat to the next.

And now, those who previously found it easy to obtain this permit will find themselves facing an uphill battle...
Meanwhile, those who could never get one in the first place—well, they aren't losing anything.

Is this what they mean by #budimosolidarni?
🤔

Alexander Thompson said:I don't know, man—to me, these aren't even really "new" rules, just more effective ways of actually enforcing the ones we already have in place.

Nice one, Sherlock.
There were people who couldn't get a permit even before this—now, I suppose they don't even have to bother asking.

But here's what actually interests me:
under the guise of "essential family matters," such as caring for children or the elderly, or buying groceries and basic supplies

What does that actually entail? Does it mean you can drive to the next town over for groceries—even if there are two stores right in your own township—or does it not? Who exactly is going to step in and define what constitutes a "vital reason"?
Maybe I need a specific brand of food that isn't stocked at my local shop—but it happens to be available at that one 5.0 miles store miles away... and so on...
this is just a hypothetical—so the usual "pro-restriction" crowd doesn't try to use this specific example against me!

Larry Walker24 said:Capak: "When everyone suddenly headed south, the travel ban was an epidemiologically sound move. We’ll adjust the restrictions based on how things play out and how people actually behave—either loosening them up or tightening the screws. I think we need to hold steady at this level for now, then re-evaluate in a week. Easter is coming up, and obviously, everyone wants those restrictions to ease up a bit. We’ll all reach an agreement."

Perhaps he should start by reaching an agreement with himself first?
If my memory serves me right—just the other day, he was suggesting that "easing restrictions" might not even be on the table until early June. I might not be quoting him verbatim—but that was the general sentiment...

And now, suddenly, he needs to negotiate? With whom, exactly? The virus? Božinović... or someone else entirely? The American public?
We will all agree... but who, precisely, constitutes this "ALL"?

To be honest—I am starting to feel a bit nauseated by the whole spectacle. It seems they have truly lost their way...

Matthew Jackson2 said:I don't think this is some issue with Reddit itself; it’s more that the mainstream media has gone into a complete state of hysteria over it. Personally, when I look at the entrance to Miami, it's obvious to me that traffic has slowed down so much that even if there are a few people out there, they’re practically negligible.

On top of that, this whole plan just isn't going to work in practice. Think about it—how many delivery drivers are actually working on contracts rather than being full-time employees of the very companies issuing those permits? Or consider how many businesses have to send staff away from their home base to handle field work instead of sitting in an office. How on earth does the government intend to regulate all that chaos?

Take an IT firm, for example. They might need to head out into the field to set up hardware so that a completely different company can maintain its remote work setup. If you slap a ban on them, the ripple effect is that the second company loses its ability to work from home, leaving them with the impossible choice of either shutting down entirely or forcing their employees back into risky environments.

Actually, journalists have been scouring Reddit for ages... it’s become their primary lifeline, both for hunting down story leads and general information gathering.

@Nicholas King — it seems he’s allowed to say whatever he wants now...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/5291...05550/members/

It looks like the membership growth for this group is going to be "exponential"...
Every time I refresh the page—I see two more members...

edit:
2068
2071
...
2089

Brian Torres2 said:So, if you listen to what some guy over on that other thread is saying, it sounds like getting a permit isn't actually that big of a deal everywhere.

It’s probably just totally random—you know how it is—like, it all depends on who you run into or how lucky you get...

http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a496013...om-obliku.html

– Law enforcement reported they have received tips regarding suspected manipulations. I want to send a clear message to anyone engaging in this: it is a very serious criminal offense involving the forgery of documents, and there will be no leniency. Depending on the severity, this is an act that can carry prison time. We won't be handing out minimum sentences in a situation like this—stated Božinović, noting that the Department of the Interior, as the project lead, is working alongside the Department of Justice on an application designed to minimize the potential for permit manipulation. This specific application was presented yesterday during a meeting at the FBI, and once the details are further refined, they should be released to the public this Wednesday.

In other words—the police have people assigned specifically to monitor Reddit...

So, one should probably be careful about what gets posted.

Brian Torres2 said:Do I just need to write a quick note if I'm moving to a different city, or is there an actual official form I gotta find somewhere?

That government website is a total mess—honestly, navigating it is like trying to find your way through a corn maze in the dark.

That depends entirely on who you're asking.
If you're looking for guidance from the CZ Headquarters—your best bet is to contact your local municipality or city hall. Give them a call or send an email; they surely have the info buried somewhere on their sites. Some places have uploaded a specific form, while others haven't... there isn't really one standardized way to request a travel permit.

driftingfox6 said:

... And just like that, you’ve gone and ruined the fun for everyone who thought these measures were absolutely wonderful...
Good grief... 😁

😉

Rachel Roberts6 said:Don't be so blunt about it, man. Our local "hero" at the Villa isn't wrong here. 🤣

... uh... the Internet is a nasty thing... it remembers everything... and you can find just about anything on there if you look hard enough...
It’s just a shame that these older folks—who were likely the ones polled in that Ipsos survey, I still can't get over that one🤣—don't quite know their way around it yet...

I spent part of my day trying to teach my mother how to use a mouse... and how to scroll through a page... just so I could broaden her horizons beyond the usual "but they said it on TV" mentality...

But it's a struggle... a real struggle... 🤦
(I mean—both of them... the scrolling and the broadening of horizons...😁)

Adam Collins4 said:Still calling it "just a flu," huh?

How long are we going to deal with this stupidity?

How much longer are you going to deny the mortality rate and the infection levels? How long will you ignore the desperation of healthcare workers in the hardest-hit cities who are saying they're right on the edge?

Give us a few more scenes like that when the seasonal flu hits, and then we'll see if it's "exactly the same."

Who was it that predicted you’d eventually end up in here arguing with yourself?🤔
Your last five posts back-to-back pretty much confirm it...

I just dropped in to break up the monotony... 😁

Feel free to carry on...

Nicole James said:What an absolute joke. They're using military trucks to haul away the dead because there’s apparently no capacity left to handle them where they passed—but honestly, nothing truly extraordinary is happening here; people are simply dying from standard illnesses and just happen to have Corona at the same time... 🙄

For some reason, USA Today seems hell-bent on tearing down morality during this crisis...

It honestly feels like every journalist out there has "monitor Reddit" on their daily to-do list.
They just see a trending thread—one where the facts might be slightly... skewed—and they serve up a link based on those premises. It doesn't even require much actual effort.

As someone else pointed out—you can try to silence people, you can even lock them behind four walls...
But you can't stop them from thinking!
It’s just like how you can't stop people from accessing information online.

Though—if one thinks about it for more than a second—that might be the next logical step. Restricting access to certain websites... (not that some countries haven't already done it, or continue to do it)

That way, people will have nothing left to do but stand on their balconies and sing protest songs.☕

hollowmason64 said:You don't really have to, but you can always check in through the e-visitor system just so they know you've arrived.

I honestly feel like in small towns like this, people could just work out a little agreement. It wouldn't be hard to arrange for everyone to get a pass once a month just to handle those big, massive shopping trips. For all the everyday little things, the local corner stores are perfectly fine.
I mean, there's really no need to make a trip to the next town over just to go shopping every single week. It feels like a bit much.
At the end of the day, you've got all these small family farms scattered all over the country. If you look through those local Facebook groups, they’ll offer you just about anything living—I'm talking everything from fresh produce right down to little chicks.
Honestly, you might be better off just ordering from one of those local guys. They’ve already got all the passes sorted out, so they can handle the delivery without any hassle.

Are people actually losing it? Why on earth are wealthy people resorting to violence? Is it because they don't have to lift a finger, just sitting around at home all day staring at the TV or playing video games? It’s honestly a tragedy. Just imagine what kind of chaos would break out if things really went south.
What @Alfie was getting at—just put more politely—is that they’re nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats.
I already mentioned this on another thread, but honestly, it feels like nobody really gets what it’s actually like working under these conditions. Imagine being wrapped up in a mask and rubber gloves for eight hours straight, constantly spraying yourself down with different types of alcohol just to survive. You can't even take a sip of water from a bottle without being paranoid; if you touch that damn plastic bottle with hands that haven't been properly disinfected, and there's a virus on it, it’s going to sit on that surface for three days. It's just a matter of time before you accidentally ingest it. Then there's the mental toll—you find yourself looking at everyone else as a potential carrier. You start getting scared to even touch your own head because you lose track of whether you actually sanitized your hands or not, and then you end up just dousing yourself in more alcohol anyway. Jbte, if they tried to give me a breathalyzer test at work, I’d probably blow a massive number just from breathing in all those alcohol fumes.
It’s like, once you finally step through your own front door, you just want to strip everything off. All that weight, all those layers—you just shed it all the second you're home.
You end up wasting an entire free day just standing in line at the checkout counters.
But honestly, the biggest issue is whether you actually have enough variety at the grocery store to make things bearable. It’s tough because you can't even get together with your friends for a backyard BBQ or grab a few drinks to blow off steam, and that's when people really start to crack.
It’s just selfish, self-imposed isolation.
"Out there," there's a massive group of people working their tails off just to keep the system barely functioning. They're paying a hell of a price with their mental health, praying to God this all wraps up as soon as possible. For everyone else, the struggle is being stuck inside waiting for it to end, fearing they might lose it first.
To anyone claiming they’re about to "snap"—I’d love to see you try working under these conditions. I'd ask you exactly how long it would take before you started whining to be locked back inside your house.
Don't you feel any shame?

I find myself wondering—and I’d love to hear what the rest of you think on this—what exactly drives people to pull the trigger? It isn't just about the impulse... there seems to be something deeper, something more complex behind that split-second decision to resort to violence. Why does it happen?
Well, why don't you just go ahead and ask them... there are plenty of comments right there in the article—I read through them myself, after all—so just ask them why they’re losing it...
I was reading through some reports regarding the upcoming June developments—specifically those concerning the priority shifts within the local government—and it really makes you wonder about the direction we're heading... There seems to be a significant push from the administration to reorganize certain regional priorities, much like how federal agencies might shift focus during a transition period. It’s one of those situations where the bureaucracy moves at its own pace, regardless of what the public actually needs on the ground. You see these high-level discussions in Washington, D.C., and they trickle down until they hit the local county level, often losing all their original intent along the way. It feels a bit like watching a slow-motion collision between policy and reality. One moment everything is supposedly under control, and the next, the entire framework is being restructured under the guise of "optimization." It’s quite a delicate dance, isn't it? One can only hope that the actual impact on everyday citizens isn't as disruptive as the paperwork suggests... though, based on past experience, optimism might be a bit misplaced.

But actually, what I really wanted to write was this: that whole statement about a "quarantine until June"—or however Capak phrased it—feels to me like nothing more than a series of "test balloons"...
Once the restrictions start to ease up—likely well before the middle of May—and Capak becomes the hero we’ll all be cheering for from our balconies...
We would be grateful.🙏

I've seen this play out more times than I can count—but clearly, it still works. It’s that classic "carrot and stick" approach... effective, if nothing else.
Most times, a quick fix just isn't enough to spark lasting change in people—not when you're trying to cultivate genuinely positive attitudes toward their work, their daily routines... or really anything else, for that matter.
But for some reason—it seems to have left its mark on our national mentality...
But then again, I’m certainly no sociologist... let them deal with that side of things.

boldotter2 said:Honestly, this whole decision feels like it was made in a panic just to stop a panic, and it's only happening in Washington, D.C. That’s where the real absurdity lies. It seems like the government is actually panicking more than the actual people are!
As for the rest of America, especially the rural areas, this rule really shouldn't have anything to do with them.

And I guess the islands should have handled their own quarantine stuff much earlier if they needed to. I mean, isn't the whole point of a quarantine to keep the disease from getting in, rather than keeping sick people from leaving?
Plus, they really need to keep an eye on the summer tourist season. The chance of things spreading and the strain on the system will be way higher then than it is right now.

It'll be pretty interesting to see how the islands and other vacation spots behave this summer—things might calm down by then, but the problem won't be solved by a long shot. If it took Chinese people a month to sort things out after the peak, it'll probably take Italians at least three, and they haven't even hit the peak yet.
It would be super hypocritical if they start letting in tourists with big spenders later on while blocking Americans from going to their own homes right now.

It shouldn't—but it absolutely does. And from what we're reading, those people are the ones hit hardest.
But then again, they are in the minority (we all know where the bulk of the American population resides—https://america.eu/index.php?view=article&lang=1&id=15) — and their voices simply... go unheard.

Nearly 60% of Americans live in urban centers, with 25% of the entire population concentrated in just four major cities (Washington, D.C., Miami, Seattle, and Indianapolis).

electrichound22 said:Once these initial 30 days wrap up,
is there any actual plan to extend this decision through May and June?

A thirty-day restriction on leaving one's residence—or is it something else entirely?...
(meaning from March 23rd to April 22nd?🤔)

If anyone could provide a direct link to the official notice, I’d certainly appreciate it... ☕

🙄

vividranger8 said:Honestly, you can take a fine like that and throw it straight in the trash. There’s absolutely zero legal basis for punishing people just because they "ignored a request."

" checking an address would result in fines of $100"

Is it just me, or does that sentence sound completely nonsensical... or maybe there's something wrong with my head?🤔

I've been scouring the web trying to find where they actually specify the fine amounts for people attempting to cross into another county or city without a permit... but I'm coming up empty... 🤔

Does anyone have a link?