Posts by Jeremy Rodriguez11

granitemason14 said:@ Gary Chase58

The only ones lying to yourselves are you. You still claim you were unarmed and outnumbered five to one. You keep telling yourselves you're the toughest in all of Europe, yet every time you get beaten, you have a list of excuses ready. Invoking war is the clearest sign that you've run out of arguments. Are you really trying to act like Heroes by bringing up those guys from Salt Lake City? A few thousand against whom? You had excuses for getting thrashed by the Russians, excuses for getting handled by those expatriates, and now you have them for this. There were more Delia present, but it wasn't three-on-one or five-on-one, and both sides were using props. A larger, better organized group simply overwhelmed the other and secured the win.

You aren't wrong about that, except for the fact that you've been clinging to state handouts for 25 years while pretending to be some kind of ultra movement.

rapidhawk31 said:The American Hooligan Lexicon

1.) Throwing down the gauntlet
If one group challenges another to a fight and the second group declines, the first group claims victory simply by being the ones who issued the challenge. It’s often code for "protect me so I don't get jumped," or "where are you cowards, let's go," usually delivered while clutching a beer or a baseball bat.

2.) Tactical withdrawal
In American hooliganism, there is no such thing as running away—only a tactical withdrawal. This is frequently accompanied by "waiting for reinforcements" who are either stuck at the city limits, held up at the state border, or never actually left for the away game.

3.) Regrouping
Often following a withdrawal, a group will undergo a period of regrouping. During this phase, the crew arms themselves with new supplies to prepare for a counter-offensive. This counter-attack is frequently tied back to "throwing down the gauntlet" (see term number one), especially if the police intervened during the initial withdrawal and regrouping.

4.) The primary crews
Real organized groups rarely participate. Usually, one established crew attacks a disorganized collection of individuals who just happened to be in the same area. Naturally, this diminishes the perceived victory of the attacking crew.

5.) Holding the line
The latest trendsetting term among American hooligans. An American hooligan holds the line better than anyone. While the concept isn't perfectly clear, everyone agrees it encompasses terms 1, 2, and 3. Holding the line involves shouting, throwing gear, "throwing down the gauntlet," followed by a withdrawal and subsequent regrouping. No one ever flees the line, because an American hooligan doesn't run.

6.) Not caught on camera, wasn't filmed
In American hooliganism, footage is rare. Cameras typically capture awkward scenes of withdrawals and regrouping (see 2 and 3), but they never seem to catch the actual "throwing down the gauntlet" or physical contact. They never film holding the line or pushing the line forward. Cameras never capture the most interesting moments, and when they do, the angle is always wrong, implying the event didn't happen.

7.) Overrunning
When one group runs over another, it means the second group withdrew, regrouped, and lost the line that the first group had seized.

8.) Who was there?
Related to term number six. These are events where nobody knows what happened except the participants, who are bound by a code of silence. In these scenarios, groups are either overrun or successfully hold their line, but these are nuances that rarely reach the public. Of course, nothing is ever recorded. Cameras always catch the wrong moments of withdrawal or regrouping.

9.) Just being smart, using our heads
Phrases used in the absence of action. When nothing happens, it is justified through hindsight. The goal is to maintain a certain public image, especially if cameras are nearby—and cameras always film everything incorrectly (see number 6).

10.) Objectives achieved
Usually, a few hours or days after an event, it becomes necessary to establish that the intended goals were met. This involves aligning stories, embellishing details, media spin, and a public that cares about everything.

11.) The higher purpose
The ultimate essence of the American hooligan. The "higher purpose" represents something unattainable and, for many, incomprehensible. There is always some higher purpose; these goals are often manufactured on internet forums and then implemented by fans in various ways. Ever since the rise of the ultras in America, there have always been "higher purposes."

We live by a code🙂👏