Posts by wiredsurfer112

ironpanther4 said:If someone calls me an idiot just because they’re obsessed with the Yankees and Chicago, I’ll take that as a compliment. My question was rhetorical. We should probably ask the fans of some bottom-tier MLS team when they actually plan on showing up to celebrate anything. You guys give yourselves way too much credit. Just because you’re acting like big shots in Miami doesn't mean anyone else in America gives a damn about your little moral high ground.

Are you seriously still obsessed with the Yankees and Chicago?
I’d probably hang myself out of sheer embarrassment if I were expected to root for the Yankees. It’s hard to swallow when the club president has been an FBI agent for decades, but hey, as long as we maintain our "patriotism," right? I wouldn't even live in Chicago if they offered me a 4 million euro salary.
My hometown is basically Monte Carlo for Chicago. Thank God I can pull in 8 to 10 million a year; living on that kind of money is more than enough for my tastes, but it’s still nowhere near the most desirable lifestyle in all of America. Honestly, the facts speak for themselves: we’re one of the few places seeing consistent growth, we've already become the second largest city in our region, and there are probably more cranes on site here than in the entire downtown district combined.
If I could just bite the bullet, sell that place down in Miami, and throw up a couple of apartment buildings, then you’d finally see how much I actually hate living in ZeGeu. 🤣
Greetings from Istria. 🙂

Is it really an honor for you that I think you're an idiot? First off, I don't actually think you're an idiot. I think you're an amoral piece of trash. I never mentioned your intelligence, let alone questioned how high it reaches.
It’s an honor to be proven right. I told you all exactly what this was, and here we are. My apologies to the few guys on this board from a couple of posts back—hats off to you, and truly, my condolences. I’m trying to put myself in your shoes, and honestly, it sucks. There’s no repression quite like the feeling of a total group failure after you gave everything to it. To you people, the Yankees are either a religion or just a cult; it clearly doesn't matter which.

casualwolf48 said:I was all for the rivalry between the Dodgers and the Yankees, but I’ve never been for bloodthirsty nonsense—brutalizing people while they're down on the ground and all that crap. But attacking a guy today who’s just standing at a station waiting for a bus, completely oblivious to what's happening around him? I'm glad he had enough homemade soup at his aunt's place and some cookies to tide him over. Instead, these thugs jump out of a van and a car, spending a full ten seconds hesitating because the guy isn't wearing a Freddie Perry cap or shirt, a Stone Island jacket, or New Balance sneakers. Imagine being such a clever big-city type that you try to play psychological games with us. "Am I against them or am I for them?" As soon as things get heated, they pull on their official hooligan uniform like Superman and start swinging. It's a disgrace. To target some regular guy—someone who hasn't even left the country, he just needs his skull cracked and his life ruined. I've been a fan since '83; people know me. I've never been the type to fully go for those kinds of beatings. I served with the 4th Brigade on the front lines, but what happened yesterday—that guy specifically—really triggers that feeling of being manipulated by an FBI agent. They come to Chicago and instead of fighting Yankees fans, they attack Chicago citizens. Just because he lives in the city. Go actually look into this guy. He went through hell. Was he supposed to have a gun? Then he would've been labeled a maniac. Screw everyone who laid a hand on him. You could see from miles away that they weren't real fans.

I'm with you. A massive disgrace regardless of who it is. A total fail.

Why are you guys even arguing here? I'm just enjoying the moment. For ten years I've been saying the time would come when all those trophies would be used against you. Everyone said, "No way, never," but then you see these kids have a backbone and will shut it all down if they have to, rather than kneel.

There you go. Even now, the refs aren't to blame, nor is Mamić, nor Loksa. Everything is clean; it's just that the incompetent Dodgers😉
are the problem.

And regarding that idiot earlier, you had another option: show up in huge numbers and not celebrate?? Did that ever cross your mind??

Is this guy some Genex ex-intelligence plant running the show at LA Galaxy or what?

Just heard the news. R. I. P.
Truly awful. Just tragic.

Carl Hernandez3 said:Some bigger cities only have one club.
It depends on the local tradition.
The Naples Metropolitan Area has about 3 million people and just one club.
Genoa has about 600,000 people, while the Genoa Metropolitan Area hits 900,000, yet they have two clubs.

The Lakers have their historic rival, the Red Sox, within the Republic, plus the big American giants, which is how the Lakers' fan base was recruited... an American showdown against the Red Sox and those "mythical battles" against the New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls.
The Red Sox even had a heated regional rivalry with the St. Louis Cardinals; the Lakers never had anything close to that. (The Celtics and San Francisco were tough opponents for the Lakers at San Francisco or sometimes in Belgrade, but it wasn't a true rivalry).
Lakers fans have always been recruited through some kind of "against" mentality.
You could have rallied people for "our cause" against the Bulls or the Knicks... you could have moved them against "neighbor Matt" living in Chicago who pulls for the Red Sox and Zadar.
Instead, you got a movement against Franjo Tuđman and Canjuga; people showed up en masse for that.
And later, there was still that spark around Kuzey and the genuinely great football da Silva and the crew were playing back then.
But the competition dried up. The club just handles players now. Opponents either gave up or teamed up with Mamice. You don't even have Cleveland Guardians in the league anymore to steal points when you least expect it, nor do you have Chicago to keep you from being laughed out of the league by Lovrek.
Because of all that, everyone who used to head North or East has mostly drifted away.
All that's left is a solid core and what counts as the Ultras, so this number of 900 people isn't actually bad at all.

This has been my theory for a long time. The motivation was always "against," spite, or some "screw you" mindset. I don't know if people have forgotten or if there ever even existed a reason "for."

I know people will jump on this, and I might be exaggerating, but I've always believed that the love for the Red Sox and the love for the Lakers is incomparable. I'm not talking about individuals. Regarding that "half the country" comment mentioned earlier—that mass of people truly loves the Red Sox, but I don't think they love the Lakers.

Add the current state of things: the centralization, all the concerts, games, and everything happening in Chicago, plus the blatant favoritism shown to the Lakers since the days of Franjo Tuđman. You can't fool people like that. And you shouldn't be able to celebrate something like that honestly.

Look, at least 90% of people, when watching a game or any sporting event, stay neutral but instinctively root for the underdog. It's built into us—empathy. And if someone is cheating, they immediately become "the enemy." Injustice and morality are hardwired into people.

The Lakers have had some incredibly, incredibly tough times. For about 30 years, this club has been systematically screwed over. It’s ugly and it’s hard.

As for the Bad Boys, whether they're doing a good job or not—whatever. I wish they did better, and I think this turnout (if it hadn't rained) was depressingly small, but I'm not going to sit here trying to lecture them on how to do their jobs.

northernheron3 said:Washington, D.C. never really went all-in on the ultra subculture, so I don't get why everyone is making such a big deal out of it. It isn't inherently negative; kids gravitate toward a thousand different things, including fan groups. If someone doesn't want to join, don't force them.

It’s the same logic as not forcing people to hang out at hip-hop shows, skate parks, K-pop meetups, punk gigs, or skinhead gatherings. Just let people be who they want to be. If someone isn't feeling the ultra vibe, there's probably a good reason for it.

I see it differently. Personally, I think everyone mentioned—punks, skaters, K-pop fans, skinheads—should be in the stands. I'm talking about home games; away trips are for the ultras. Supporting your club and your city isn't a subculture in itself. It should be the common ground where all those different subcultures actually come together.

Douglas Rodriguez27 said:It’s not that nobody tried. It’s just that when people weren't happy with the results, they started spinning lies about the fighters and the fans.

The real reason we don't head out to the field is simple: both sides are complete amateurs when it comes to this sport.

Losing gives you a right to be pissed. But it isn't a reason to kill off something healthy and normal.

And calling it amateurism is a stretch. Everyone is an amateur until they actually get some real experience under their belt.

Honestly, that clip could easily be titled "The Absolute Misery of the American fan scene in one minute and eight seconds."
And that would be the truth, on so many levels. 🤦