Posts by placidcobra91

I don't even know where to start with this one—honestly, it’s just one of those things that gets stuck in your head, you know? Like, you’re just sitting there, minding your own business, and suddenly this thought hits you out of nowhere! It’s wild how the brain works sometimes, isn't it? Just spinning and spinning on these random little ideas. Anyway, I was thinking about it earlier today while I was grabbing coffee, and it just felt like something worth mentioning. Just one of those random, fleeting moments that makes you stop and go, "Wait, what?" Does anyone else ever get those? Just total mental derailments over nothing at all? It’s kind of funny when you think about it, actually—just a complete detour from whatever you were supposed to be doing! kaže:

Hey, placidcobra91!
I mean, what exactly are you looking for here? Are we seriously expecting someone to play lawyer for every little thing? Like, should we have some legal team on standby just to write out formal denials every single time some random anonymous person posts something stupid online? It’s getting ridiculous—honestly, does anyone really have the time or the energy to debunk every single baseless claim that pops up in a comment section?

By the way, is Rhett just more of the same—total lies, corruption, and nothing but shady insinuations?

I’m expecting the same thing here—you know, since we don't see our own anonymous posters going around saying things like that about the Bad Boys online, I shouldn't be seeing it from you guys either. And I don't just mean the random trolls or the "anonymous" crowd... I'm talking about the actual, decent people in this community. Surely you all have enough self-control to keep that kind of talk under wraps, right?

Look, you can't just take one single isolated incident—especially when it’s followed by a whole string of other things that perfectly cover all the bases—and try to spin it like that. You can't start twisting the truth or playing semantics to make blatant lies look like "nuanced" examples of something else. It just doesn't work that way, does it?

analogheron19 said:Look, it shouldn't even be a conversation—you can't just go around banning someone right out of the gate simply because they're from Mexico or some other country. I mean, seriously? It’s just not right.
Look, as long as you’re keeping things civil and playing by the rules—you know, staying within the bounds of basic decency—anyone is more than welcome to jump in and post. We want everyone here! But—and this is a big "but"—if someone shows up just to stir the pot, throw insults around, or be a total troll? Yeah, they’re getting wiped out or sanctioned. It doesn't matter who they are or how much they think they belong here; we aren't having that kind of negativity. Period.
Look, you can't possibly know—and honestly, neither can anyone else here—just how many posts have been wiped, edited, or flagged behind the scenes. You’re sitting there claiming I’m intentionally letting this nonsense slide just because it suits some certain agenda... but that’s just not how it works. How could you even begin to track all those deletions? It's impossible.
Either you haven’t been hanging around this forum long enough—which, honestly, happens—or (and let's be real, this is probably the safer bet) you just don't know me well enough to be throwing accusations like that my way.

Look, you’re a man who actually knows his stuff—you’ve got that gut instinct for these things, that real-world experience—so you should be the first one stepping up to call out and clean up the dangerous nonsense happening here. We aren't just talking about simple online trolling or petty provocations anymore; some of this writing is genuinely hazardous. It's the kind of stuff you don't just see discussed casually on the internet—it's deeper than that. These are fundamental principles that every single person needs to understand, regardless of where they come from or who they side with. It's common sense, really, but it's vital.

The final fence... man, I can't stop thinking about that last barrier. It’s like, you think you’ve finally reached the edge, right? You think you’ve cleared the hurdle—you've put in the work, dealt with the chaos, and now there's just one last thing standing between you and the finish line. But then, boom, there it is. That last fence. Is it just me, or does that final obstacle always feel ten times taller than everything else we've faced? It’s almost like life does that on purpose—just to see if you're actually serious about getting to the other side. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? kaže:
Hey, placidcobra91—I’m actually going to go back and edit both your points and my own responses to a few things here. Honestly, I think mine might end up being even longer than yours! But hey, at least it feels like we’re mostly on the same page with most of this, right?

Look, just a bit of friendly advice—save yourself the paper and the ink next time. If you’re going to start writing about Mexicans and all those wild situations that go down within the Mexican fan scene, just do it. Seriously! If you stick to that, there won't be any drama or misunderstandings between us. It's really that simple.

John Campbell27 said:Just wanted to touch on the part where you claimed those guys in Washington, D.C. were empty-handed. In the bar where the cops picked them up, they actually found knives and flares. A friend of mine owned that place. So there you go. You're being exhausting. Peace.

Look, when I say "empty-handed," I mean they weren't carrying anything dirty or un-fanlike—nothing illegal. As for the flares, everyone knows that! It’s not some big secret; that info has been out in the open since day one. I mean, how else are you supposed to set the mood in an arena during a game? Tell your friend to stop lying through his teeth. Seriously, the guy is just straight-up dishonest. Good for him, I guess. I trust that there are people over there with enough common sense to know that if things had gotten truly dirty, it would have happened in a more chaotic spot with fewer eyes on it—somewhere less "correct." Nobody went to war in Washington, D.C.; they went to a basketball game! Honestly, you couldn't find a better example of how a hardcore fan group should act than that group from Washington.

Do you see what the issue is here? You're taking a peak moment of pure fandom and twisting it into this fake narrative to make it look like something it wasn't. You're just deceiving yourselves and hyping up your own people. It's such a flawed way to think. And how are you even supposed to fight against lies and manufactured stories like that? Is there anyone left in Washington, D.C. who’s actually sane enough to tell their people—whoever they may be—to stop posting this garbage and these lies?
I know you aren't some active Bad Boys member who actually carries weight or matters, but seriously, aren't you embarrassed to be posting this stuff on a forum? Have you no shame? And it seems like there's nobody there to call you out on it. But I have to step in—because if I didn't write this, your lie would just sit there. That's why I'm being "exhausting"—because you're acting like you're so smart, changing the facts of what actually happened in a single sentence just to lie and fuel your buddies.

analogheron19 said:Do you think this is going to get deleted or not?

You shouldn't be asking me what I *think* about whether this gets deleted. You should be asking me if it *should* be deleted. And my answer would be: yes, delete everything coming from the Mexican side here, along with all your responses to those posts. If you do that, you effectively "ban" those Mexican "fans" from the forum by cutting off their input at the source. I've told you before: wipe out everything coming from the Mexican side. I really hope you finally do it. You seem like a decent guy, and I trust you'll respect this.

wiredpilot28 said:You honestly look just as ridiculous as ever—no matter how hard you try to play this tough guy who’s somehow immune to all the rumors and local gossip. It’s kind of wild, really. I mean, after all these years of living life, all that time spent in the stands at the stadium, and enough experience dealing with internet trolls and back-and-forth banter to last a lifetime... you still haven't figured out who you can actually talk to? Or better yet, you still don't grasp how to approach certain people? Seriously, how do you not get it by now?

So, here you three are—showing up to this private tracker forum that basically serves as nothing more than a venting session for a bunch of American idiots and the occasional Mexican looking to blow off some steam. And what are you doing? You’re actually out here fighting these weird little personal wars over a picture of some guy who "doesn't even hang out online." I mean, seriously? What does this place have to do with the Bad Boys or Torcidas anyway? Honestly, there's more talk about you guys in here than anyone else!
And honestly? The guys are just minding their own business. Just staying in their lane, you know? Anyway... let's get to it.

Remember when you were typing out those long essays about how the media and social networks basically manufacture fake realities? You were all over how the news cycle twists things around to create a false image. Well, now you’re just retelling those exact same stories—only this time, you’ve flipped them on their head, spinning them however suits your narrative in the moment. Isn't that funny?

So then you’re sitting there—probably acting like you were actually front and center at that fight you’ve brought up five different times now—trying to lecture everyone about who’s posting what online? Give me a break. And honestly, it feels like you’re just out here looking for someone to target with that condescending, arrogant attitude of yours. It’s pretty much the same old story, isn't it? Just constant ego and talking down to people.

Look, you’re seriously pulling out a series from almost 15 years ago as some kind of valid argument? People who haven't even been active in the stands for that long are using this? I mean, think about it—how many generations have cycled through the bleachers since then? It’s massive! It’s just wild to me that someone would try to paint a picture of what certain groups look like today based on a snapshot from fifteen years ago—especially a time when you weren't even in a position to be held responsible or credited for any of it. Seriously, what kind of logic is that? Is someone really going to watch an old documentary about how certain people acted back then—you know, all those old scams and ridiculous antics—and act like that defines the reality we're living in right now? That's just not how the world works.

Honestly, how low are you actually planning to sink this conversation? Bringing up stuff like what kind of conditions the Bad Boys deal with here versus whatever chaos is happening over there—as if that somehow makes being a fan any harder... I mean, really? It’s just such a childish, petty way to look at things. It honestly doesn't even deserve a serious response, does it?
It’s all well and good to be proud of where things stand today—you know, being proud of how much certain groups have risen up from nothing—but at the same time, there’s a different kind of pride to be found, isn't there? I mean, it’s like that feeling you get when you refuse to sink into the absolute madness and mindless chaos of fanaticism. There’s a real dignity in paying a price to stay above the mud of tribalist nonsense and just... not letting it consume you. Don't you think?

Just a bunch of random stuff.

It’s all funny to you now, isn't it? But it definitely didn't feel that way when you were busy spinning those webs of lies and half-truths earlier. Look, I’m not even trying to pretend I’m some kind of saint who’s immune to rumors, gossip, or blatant falsehoods—especially when we're talking about serious matters. That’s exactly why I’m laying this out right here. The real kicker is that you should have realized by now that actual, credible people don't bother posting their takes on us online anymore—not even on forums like this—but then suddenly, here you come, popping up with this nonsense. And the thing is, you aren't exactly some idiot, are you? Which makes it worse. It’s not like some random troll is coming on here to spread garbage lately; no, you’re the one doing the spreading. You actually have the experience and the history to know exactly how to frame these stories, which is precisely why you’ve started pushing this stuff. Is this just some weird way for you to vent? Like, you've been holding onto this resentment for ages and now you finally get to dump it all out just to take a cheap shot at Mexicans while someone else sits there taking the fall? You clearly haven't thought about who you're actually addressing with this stuff. But honestly, that’s not even the main issue—the issue is the actual content of what you're saying. And having people looking on while you "set the stage" is just asking for trouble; it drags everyone into a mess that never ends well.

So, it’s funny how you think this little private gossip hub—this place run by certain crews where you send out "serious" directives to tell your people exactly how to act and what to do—is some kind of high-stakes command center. You know, where you supposedly "wage wars" just to curate a better group of followers? It’s wild to me that you felt the need to come onto a gossip site like this to lecture everyone on such heavy topics, yet somehow you can't see that other people have just as much right to show up here when you start spinning dangerous lies and twisted narratives about their community. They aren't being dramatic; they're just trying to "fight back" against the constant whispering and the fake news. And let's get one thing straight—there is absolutely no "three-way" conspiracy happening on this end. People love to hide behind that whole "we don't talk online" excuse, but honestly, it's become such a convenient lie lately. It's what people say when they assume everyone else is too stupid to notice—that if they stay quiet and don't complain while people are busy dragging their names through the mud, everything will be fine. But it can't go on forever! Eventually, the cup overflows. When things get so bad that even the few decent, normal people left in the group are at risk of getting screwed over, that's when people are going to speak up exactly where it matters most. Like right here. It's about stopping the unnecessary exposure of everyone involved—both your own people and everyone else.

You’ve gotten the facts wrong again about the place you’re reading about. Go ahead, check yourself—maybe you'll get lucky the third time around. For the record, I wasn't anywhere near there.
What kind of "condescending tone" are we talking about here? Is it when I tip my hat to what you guys have achieved? Or is it condescending when I say that kind of chaos can only be pulled off by certain street gangs and the Bad Boys, while everything else online is just noise (though maybe things have shifted since then)? Is it arrogant to say that in certain situations, regular people from both sides acted normally, and that’s probably why everything went fine? Is it condescending to say you should value your own people? Is it because of *that* tone that someone in Washington, D.C. should lose their mind? Should the people who actually saw those street thugs in person—without any weapons in hand—get worked up over something non-hateful or sick? Is it you, on your side, who showed everyone live what you really think about those thugs in certain situations, that needs to get aggressive? And what am I even writing that would be the only metric for how they treated you? Who in Washington, D.C. is going to get aggressively triggered against street thugs after hearing words like mine? They might just look at it and say, "Hey, good job being respectful," and appreciate that we respect what you do. Honestly, it’s much more realistic that some lunatic in Washington, D.C. gets triggered when a major figure from the stands writes lies online about thugs throwing bombs, swinging axes, or staging tragedies like you used to write about. And that’s all happening online—I can’t even imagine what gets said in person. That’s where the worst stuff starts; that’s what creates space for the sickos. It’s stuff like that that makes people lose it. Not when I, writing as an American, tell our own people—regardless of who they are—that I’ll personally "inspect" their hands if they write garbage about American fans and the Partizan faithful online. Am I supposed to trigger someone in Washington, D.C. because of my stance and behavior on this forum?

Forget that guy from fifteen years ago in the series; look at the version of yourself from 2019, writing those twisted, dangerous lies on the internet. To you, that feels like a continuous stream of stupidity. Well, since you’re a responsible adult now, why do you still do it online? If you had written that management is paying for choreography today, nobody would give a damn, but you write about deeply serious matters that poison people's minds and lead to fan catastrophes. And then you come here telling me that I shouldn't be "triggering" some last person in the supporter scene whom you could easily blame for these things. Take out those old stories about how the whole world and the global fan community were told there would be massive casualties whenever fans met. And post about the serious stuff from 2019, when people were lying online about American situations in such a distorted way that people nearly died, or how things actually went down with your people in the neighborhoods and the behavior following it. Or who set fire to whose car and how they played games in Washington, D.C. between the Bad Boys during inter-group stuff and the general scene. There isn't a single person doing for Americans what you do here for Mexicans. And if anyone accidentally did something similar, they’d be sanctioned immediately. But who is going to sanction *you* here for this stuff?

First, you used to write about the American fan scene as a place where all these horrific things and tragedies happen—presenting it as a space where fan-related tragedies frequently occurred, which is unfortunately the truth. Then, you lower the level of the debate by saying that under such conditions, it’s much harder to be real, good, righteous, and stay sane. Your "childish" argument is that I don't want that kind of story, scene, or problem for anyone, anywhere. With all due respect to all the American groups, the crackdowns, the repression, and the problems—being a good fan in Mexico with a righteous stance is undeniably much harder than it is in America. In the end, your scene is "more righteous," more normal, and it’s not hard to conclude under which conditions it’s harder to be the real deal, to remain a fan, and still be a good person in every aspect of fandom. Just look at the state of the Partizan fans and what they have; see how hard it is to build a real story there. Anyone who tries and succeeds deserves nothing but a tip of the hat, a "well done," and maybe having a stadium named after them. Honestly, I’d take the kind of repression you guys face in your scene or in Washington, D.C. tomorrow. That kind of crackdown would do us a lot of good compared to what we have. We’d undergo a total rebirth. Not because your repression is weak or strong, but because anything is better than what we’re dealing with right now.
And even in an environment like that, you’ve got these guys—real outsiders who have to fight through all the nonsense, the lack of loyalty, and the absolute filth—yet they still manage to stay afloat and keep a decent standard for what it means to be a fan. That’s despite everything they deal with right there in the stands. So much has gone down behind the scenes—dirty deals, blackmail, shady offers, stuff you won't find anywhere on the internet. It’s the kind of thing the fans just don't talk about. But all that struggle, all that resistance to push for a better atmosphere? That’s exactly what you’re seeing live in the stands.
Sorry if that was a bit of a long one, I hope I don't need to go on forever.

I think you totally missed the point regarding the Plains. They could have just been out there tagging walls with graffiti, like how things used to go with the American side over in Belgrade, but instead, they actually stepped up and put out a real slogan.

casualgull92 said:You’re being ridiculous. Seriously—where have you actually seen a die-hard Torcida or Bad Boys member writing the way you claim they do about you guys? Come on, enlighten us! What gets me most is how you insist everyone was constantly being provoked or harassed, and then you go out on the street and show everyone who you really are. And who was doing all this provoking for years? You built up this whole myth through some random internet Indians, claiming people were writing things one way or another, but who was actually behind those posts? It’s just like what happened to those thugs—what hit them is going to hit you too. You’re heading down the exact same path.

I’ve been watching the internet and the media for a long time now. From the serious types to the retired ones, the lost souls, the idiots... you name it. Even on this thread over the last few days. Remember how those lowlifes used to act online? People mocked them and laughed at them, but when they finally came face-to-face with them, suddenly nothing was funny anymore. It backfired on everyone—on them, on you, on everybody. But honestly, that’s easy to deal with; the real disaster is when "serious" people start posting serious bullshit and lies all over the web.
Whoever you are, you were probably the first one jerking off to whatever was happening online back then. But that didn't stop you from coming here years later to spread lies about it, and the moderators just sit there watching and letting you play pretend. You just keep the cycle of lies going on this forum. Honestly, you should be ashamed of the people running this crew, letting you post such garbage and falsehoods (because they know what actually happened). They’re keeping you here like a circus animal—like a panda on a profile page—just to entertain the public. The problem is, you lie so much that you end up creating warped minds within the fan culture. Yeah, sure, now everyone is an "internet Indian" once the hype dies down and the bill comes due. Once you can actually see who is who at the stadium, outside the gates, who puts on the best choreographies, who lights the most pyrotechnics, who has the best songs, the best away trips, and how they actually behave as fans. And all of this is happening within the context of the Mexican fan scene, which is—let’s be real—incredibly insecure and abnormal. It is ten times harder to be a true fan, to stay sane and decent in those circumstances than it is in America. Now, there's this myth that your leaders were calling into live news broadcasts right after the incidents to whine about what happened. Meanwhile, on the other side, they were telling the whole world on moronic TV shows that there would be a bloodbath when we met. But those lowlifes refused to join that circus on those stupid shows, they met up, and more or less everything went fine. Regardless of all the years of barking and threats. Hopefully, that tells you something about how people actually operate. It tells you which path they take and what kind of people they are. Like when they go to the Plains and hold up a banner instead of just spray-painting some graffiti there. Or when they go to Brooklyn and act like gentlemen, being respectful to people in the local diners, or just heading home quietly without making a scene or leaving a mess. They don't act like lunatics in Mexico or Belgrade when they see people wearing American club colors who aren't part of our world; they don't flex their muscles at them, they just explain things clearly. Or if they do run into individuals in American group gear, they also "explain" things nicely, without the noise, the filth, the media circus, or the sensationalism.

They are following a path where they hunt down their own people and lash out at anyone acting smart on the internet—not that there isn't a single pathetic forum out there that hasn't failed to stop people from inciting trouble and writing nonsense. Even when it involves nobodies whose identities aren't even known, they distance themselves from such idiots just so they don't look crazy. Which brings me to why I’m here compromising myself and dragging "our" people through the mud when they write nasty things about the Grobari or Americans, because I know exactly how those stories end. Is that the "lowlife" way? Whoever barks and incites via the internet, whoever acts poorly, let it come back to them exactly how they acted, regardless of which group they belong to. And if the group I belong to acts poorly, then I hope they are the first to face the consequences. I have no problem with that. If someone does things (poorly) well, but then someone else comes along and does it better, then actions speak louder than words, and nobody has an issue with that. As long as it stays within reasonable bounds. But I’m afraid that these kinds of lies, these fabrications, and the fact that "serious" people nod along to them doesn't help anyone.

Look, I basically just wrote this all out—and don't you dare try to come back at me with any more of that nonsense, because honestly, you're just being dishonest, and I already told you last time that we were done. He just looked at me and said, "Well, whoever had something to say, said it."

analogheron19 said:Look, I really feel like there’s this massive, fundamental distinction between just "writing nonsense" and actually being someone who... well, isn't particularly bright. You know what I mean? It's one thing to sit down and intentionally craft some absolute garbage—maybe you're trolling, maybe you're just being a clown for the hell of it—but that's a choice! That's an act! But when you're actually writing from a place of pure, unadulterated stupidity? Man, that's a whole different beast entirely. It’s the difference between playing a character and just being yourself, right? One is a performance, and the other is just... well, a tragedy.
Look, if someone is just plain, simple-minded—but they’re genuinely trying their hardest to be well-informed, honest, objective, and kindhearted—isn't it only fair to let them have their say? I mean, seriously, shouldn't we at least let them write a post or two? It’s just common decency, right? I feel like there are times when I look at a thread and I think, "Wait, I actually recognize those exact qualities in this person..." and then what? We just shut them down? It doesn't seem right.
Look, if someone is out there typing "garbage" just because they’re feeling bitter—you know, purely out of spite, bad intentions, or just being a total troll looking to stir the pot—well, I've reached a point where I can actually spot that energy from a mile away. Honestly? Once I recognize that specific kind of malice, I just instinctively block them. Why even give it the time of day? It's just easier that way.
Honestly, things just slip through the cracks sometimes—they just drift right past you. I mean, let’s be real, everyone messes up once in a while, right? We all screw up—we all make those calls we probably shouldn't have made... and then you're stuck dealing with the fallout of something that maybe should've stayed buried. God, man... it's my own fault. My own mistake.🕺

Honestly, just shut those threads down right from the jump—seriously, why even bother? It’s not like anyone around here is actually going to contribute anything meaningful to them anyway, especially when it comes to all that mindless nonsense people love to spout. Why let the clutter even happen in the first place?

wiredpilot28 said:I mean, yeah, I totally agree. If you’re looking at just one or two isolated incidents over the span of twenty years... honestly, you can pretty much write that off as something else entirely. It’s not like it constitutes a full-blown pattern of behavior, right? It’s just a fluke—one of those weird outliers that doesn't actually tell you anything about the bigger picture.

Look, if we’re talking about one or maybe two instances a year—just a couple of hiccups here and there—then honestly? That’s just personality. It’s part of who someone is. And let's be real, that’s probably the kind of thing you’re going to have a hell of a time dealing with. It's tough, right? You can't exactly "fix" a person's character once it's set in stone.

Look, if that’s how you want to play it, fine—but let's be real, some of those things you mentioned are probably being blown way out of proportion. Things likely went down totally differently than how they're being painted now. It's kind of like when you lose your own game and suddenly start judging the whole league by saying, "well, look at the standings," using three little words to summarize an entire saga that could easily fill a thousand-page book! It's just lazy, honestly. But even so, I think it’s a massive stretch to view this as some kind of national crisis or to start throwing around ugly, prejudiced insults about specific groups of people. That's just going too far.

There were plenty of other similar incidents happening over there that didn't even get mentioned—it’s honestly just like what we've been seeing lately here in America. It's all starting to feel pretty much the same, isn't it?

I mean, what Jonathan Hayes76 wrote is actually pretty spot on in a nutshell—but he’s saying it from this perspective where he’s part of the crowd that doesn't really mind these things. Or maybe he’s just facing the exact same issues and thinks, "Hey, you guys aren't any better than I am." But honestly? It's not quite like that.

I’m done. I really am—I'm not going any further with this argument.

There’s a massive difference between talking about the "character" of certain fans and the scene from a distance versus actually being the one sending out messages like that. Look, nobody is denying that bad things happen—seriously, who is? We know exactly what our scene is like, we know the stuff we deal with every single day, and we know how hard we work just to hold it together under these conditions. The real issue here is that you’re sitting there in Washington, D.C., typing away about situations and vibes you have absolutely zero connection to—stuff you’ve just picked up from news reports, Facebook threads, and those disgusting internet agitators who love nothing more than stirring the pot. And you're posting this kind of stuff as an adult, not some hot-headed kid looking for trouble. That’s the problem right there. Meanwhile, you’re completely ignoring the actual situations you *might* have been involved in—the ones that should serve as your real yardstick for knowing exactly what kind of lowlifes those people are. Real experience matters more than some digital hearsay, don't you think?

Look, what you’re doing isn't just "exaggerating"—it’s actually pretty dangerous stuff. You’re putting things out there on the internet that stay there forever, and people—especially those who shouldn't be looking—just soak it all up like a sponge. This kind of talk doesn't belong online, and it definitely shouldn't be written this way. Honestly, it feels a bit pointless to post this when you know the other side won't even bother engaging in an online debate or giving you a response anyway. And hey, I’m not just being harsh for the sake of it—I’m pointing out visible results here. It’s not even meant to be insulting; I’ve actually tipped my hat to some of your "wins" in the past! But you guys know exactly how this works—you spent years posting about certain minority groups being nothing but undercover agents or mercenaries, claiming they were all working hand-in-hand with those liars from Mexico online... and then, the moment you actually run into a situation involving those same groups, suddenly everything changes? Suddenly it’s "not like that" or "not what we thought"? Well, that right there is the result of your own rhetoric. I won't even get into other consequences—this is enough. Truthfully, I’m doing you a favor by saying this. It would actually be in my best interest to just stay quiet, because the more you cling to these myths about Mexicans and everyone else, the harder reality is going to hit you when things go sideways—and trust me, it won't be good for you. The real problem is that these aren't just harmless myths anymore. When you start churning out this garbage—these twisted stories and manufactured scenarios—and you have actual serious people reinforcing them alongside all the internet trolls, you're playing with fire. In the future, when a real crisis hits, something could happen that should never happen. Because once you start shaping someone's mind that way, it becomes incredibly difficult for them to stay level-headed, rational, or act the way they actually should.

Look, you don't even need to go out of your way to bash anyone else when what you’ve put together here—honestly, just look at it—is already intense enough. Seriously, how much more dangerous can this get? You’re laying it all out there in such an inverted, twisted way for everyone to see, and honestly, it’s a lot. Why bother dragging in similar stuff that wasn't even part of the conversation once you've already made your point? It’s unnecessary! And let me tell you, you never see anyone from those rival neighborhoods writing about Americans, or the Bad Boys, or Torcida in this kind of tone. They don't sit around constructing these elaborate little scenarios based on your specific local drama just to stir up trouble online. It makes it look like they're the idiots while everyone on this side just stays quiet and takes it. I mean, fine, do whatever you want—live in your own little bubble if you have to—but we are talking about incredibly serious matters here. This has moved way beyond simple self-delusion or typical sports fan propaganda. It's getting real.

wiredpilot28 said:Look, I didn't come to this American forum just to lecture everyone on the ethics of using axes and knives—honestly, why would I even do that? I'm certainly not here to sit around making sweeping comparisons between how things work over there versus how we do them here just because of one single video clip and one isolated little incident. That’s just not how it works, right?

Look, maybe some of these stories aren't 100% true—maybe they're only half-true at best—but I still don't get why you even showed up here. What's the goal? Are you really here just to lecture us that it's all just fiction and nothing more than some manufactured media narrative? Because honestly, I'm lost.
Do you honestly think we're all just mindless idiots? Or do you think Mexico is located on some completely different continent? Because if you've been paying even the slightest bit of attention to what's going on, it should be painfully obvious—like, glaringly obvious—what kind of people you fans actually are. Seriously, how do you even justify yourselves?
Can you maybe apply that same logic to yourself for once? Like, instead of commenting on what's happening over at other stadiums based just on whatever you happen to read, see, or hear online—could you maybe hold back? I mean, take that recent call you made—I honestly have no clue where you even got it from—where you decided that only some fans are actually behind Mamić while others are against him... Is that really how it works? Or, I don't know, are you supposed to be a true fan who can instinctively tell exactly where everyone stands, even if it's just a rough guess?

Look, you guys actually admitted it yourselves—there’s a massive issue with people using all sorts of garbage that ends up hurting and maiming others. And honestly? I respect you for calling it out. It’s just frustrating because, for now, most people here in America are just burying their heads in the sand, totally refusing to realize that we aren't exactly light-years ahead of this mess either. But you—you're actually talking about the problem! You're showing everyone in the stands that you're aware of what's going on... and let's be real, nobody just "invented" this issue out of thin air, right? It's real.

I can't quite make out what's going on in this photo—it looks like a blurry shot from a stadium or something? Honestly, it’s hard to tell if it’s a group of fans or just some random crowd in the stands. Is it supposed to be a specific moment from the game, or just a snapshot of the atmosphere? It's pretty tough to decipher without more context!

Look, you didn't even show up to an American forum, yet here you are acting like you're some kind of genius—just exploiting the fact that you can write to play these weird characters instead of just banning them from the thread! But you won't do it, right? No, because it’s way too much fun for you to keep him around just so you can keep feeding off his nonsense. Except, here's the thing—it isn't just "nonsense" anymore. We're talking about serious accusations and straight-up lies coming from someone who actually holds weight on the sidelines. And get this—one of our own guys already told you guys right here that he has absolutely no intention of deleting his garbage.

Look, I’m not trying to lecture anyone here—really, I'm not—I'm just trying to point out that you’ve fallen hook, line, and sinker for the rhetoric coming from those internet trolls and the mainstream media. It honestly blows my mind, because if you actually look closely, you can feel the weight of all those media spin cycles, the blatant lies, the deception, and that whole toxic, loudmouth fan culture on your own back. Some of the stuff people claim happened is pure fiction—total make-believe—but some of it is unfortunately very real. And the way you’ve stitched this whole argument together? It’s clearly just the byproduct of listening to media agitators, those obnoxious idiots in Facebook fan groups, and the general crop of online haters who just love to stir the pot. On top of all that, it feels like you don't quite grasp how things actually work on the ground over in Mexico.

I honestly don't know if you guys are just being dense or what—because seriously, how can you be this dim when you construct these arguments? You’re out here peddling lies and making these massive, serious accusations, riding the wave of internet trolls and those super insecure, brainwashed sports fanatics. It's exhausting! You weren't even talking about the actual character of Mexican fans—you were veering into much more dangerous territory. That kind of stuff is incredibly harmful, especially when it’s coming from someone who acts like they have authority but clearly doesn't actually understand the situation on the ground. You really shouldn't allow yourself to write about things this way when you don't truly get the context.

Look, if I didn't apply that same standard to my own life, I wouldn't have the right to say a single word to anyone else—period. You’ve got me all mixed up with someone else there, honestly. Even that conclusion you're trying to pin on me—which, by the way, isn't even mine—is way more harmless and general than the absolute mess you just cooked up here. They aren't even in the same league! It's like comparing apples to oranges; there's just no comparison at all. And let's be real—you didn't even quote me properly. You just ripped a piece out of context to make your point. Since you clearly spend a lot of time lurking around the internet, I'm sure you stumbled upon those other rants about the feud between the Bad Boys and Mamić. If you're looking for more material, maybe try checking out some of those old forums from Belgrade—I bet you'd find plenty to read there.

Look, nobody invented the issues within the fan scene over in Mexico—those problems are very much real. They exist every single day, honestly, even as I’m sitting here typing this out. But you didn't actually address the genuine, deep-seated issues happening within the Mexican supporter culture. Instead, you're spinning tales about things that either never happened or taking stuff that *did* happen and twisting it into these weird, manufactured scenarios. You're just recycling junk you picked up from the internet, Facebook, or some sensationalist news outlets—stuff cooked up by trolls, agitators, and those people who just love to stir the pot and act like the sworn enemies of all organized fandom.

wiredpilot28 said:Of course they can’t and don’t know how. Honestly? They should be absolutely ashamed to even open their mouths. I mean, how can someone from "over there" try to lecture us when they’re out there bringing a literal handgun to a backyard brawl? We’re talking about people who stab their rivals in the chest, or toss a Molotov cocktail into a neighbor's yard just to prove which neighborhood they own—and then, just when they’re losing the fight, they go and pull a gun on the other guy just to leave some graffiti behind. It's insane!

And then they have the nerve to sit there acting all high and mighty, lecturing us about hate, poor animals, and axes—as if that's even relevant! I mean, seriously? It’s not like those Bad Boys were out there swinging axes at moving vans while driving down the highway!

Man, you really started talking a whole lot of crap here.

Honestly, you aren't any better than he is with this whole story. Actually, you’re probably worse—mostly because you're likely sitting over there somewhere, completely out of touch. I mean, do you even have a clue who you're dealing with here? Like, can you even process what people are actually saying to you? You’ve basically just taken some nonsense stories from Mexican internet trolls and random forum fanatics, mixed them in with those biased media reports you guys love, and now you're trying to whip up this weird little "fanboy cocktail" to justify it all. It’s just... it's wild. You’re taking bits of things that actually happened and stitching them together with total fabrications—stuff that never even took place—just because you caught a glimpse of it online and thought, "Hey, this would be perfect for scoring points against a Mexican on a forum." It's low. Seriously, you should be embarrassed to be posting such blatant lies online like this.
Look, you wouldn't even be posting this here if it weren't about someone who actually carries weight back in Chicago—or at least, that’s how you're trying to act. It’s honestly a shame, really, because people like you just swallow whatever garbage they read on Facebook or some random news feed, and I guess that explains why your own results are so pathetic. You should be focusing on how those guys treated you—how they acted when they were right there in Chicago with you—and how none of their dirty laundry ever surfaced. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about their character? You should be looking at how they handled things with you after years of hatred, online trolling, and being incited by the public... that ought to be your only metric for judging them! But no, instead, you try to lecture us. You don't know the first thing about what's going on between fans over in Mexico, so why on earth are you trying to use stuff you don't understand as "points" or arguments in these online debates? Especially when you're someone who supposedly has actual influence back home—if you even have any. Seriously, if someone with your supposed status is falling for biased media takes and Facebook fanboy analysis, what hope is there for anyone else? People like you should be doing some actual thinking and reflecting instead of just spreading lies online about what’s actually happening within the Mexican fan scene. Just stop.

Jonathan Hayes76, seriously—just stop posting here already.