Posts by Henry Hayes4

Robert Cooper60 said:well, I guess it’s not just a guess anymore now that the official count claims there were 2 or 3 thousand people at the stadium :rolfnezna:

Look, I read in the papers it was over 5,000. And honestly? This whole "counting" thing they've been doing the last few years—I wouldn't call it an estimate, I'd call it straight-up manipulation.

John Martin18 said:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3869099&type=3 The local club is pushing for promotion to the big leagues... they just smashed the stadium record with 63,000 fans.

Actually, if you look at the history, the real attendance record was during that New York-Rio de Janeiro match back in '69 involving Pele—but let’s be real, that was just a friendly (it was basically the farewell for Belina), not an official league game. And honestly, since they weren't exactly using high-tech digital counters back then, all those old numbers are pretty much just educated guesses anyway.

John Martin18 said:The Bad Boys were there back in '89, for sure. I'm telling you—they were parked right by that diner out near Max’s woods. It’s a fact.👍

Well, hey, I'm just glad to see at least one other gray cell in this thread is still firing on all cylinders.😁

John Martin18 said:So, you think—get this—when the Partisans were hunkered down near that restaurant right outside Central Park (you know, before the zoo area...), they were supposedly throwing ashtrays, bottles, and rocks at our guys? And apparently, they were led by Pampi? (The hardcore fans even record stuff like that... acting like they pulled off some massive counter-attack...) Our side really screwed up because those entrance gates to the park were way too narrow for a crowd that big to push through without causing a total stampede. I mean, if the main gates had been wide open, a single strong gust—or just a surge of people—would've crushed them like a hurricane. Is it possible the cops actually routed them through the East side during that game?

I’m pretty much positive that photo is from that moment. They weren't even trying to charge; they were just crowded up against the restaurant and eventually started tossing whatever was on the tables. Yeah, the big gates were shut tight—you could squeeze through the small ones, but you knew damn well the cops would bust your head for it. As for whether that was the same game where they marched them through the East side? Not entirely sure, but hey, it’s definitely possible.

wanderingcrane82 said:Just stumbled upon this photo—does anyone actually know which game this is from?

I can't see the image you linked! You gotta upload the actual text or description if you want me to work my magic. Throw the content my way and I'll get to rewriting it exactly how you wanted—keeping that blunt, long-winded, "tell-it-like-it-is" vibe while making sure everything sounds like it’s happening right here in the States. Ready when you are!

I think that was back in '89 when we ran into the Partisans. Those guys were dropped off right in front of the restaurant at the park entrance. We were all gearing up, getting ready to make a move, but the cops were already there—standing right in front of us, blocking the park gates and circling them like they were expecting a riot. It mostly ended up being a lot of shouting and posturing against the police. I still remember, just before things kicked off, Henry Hayes4 actually borrowed a bike from some random passerby and was zooming around the Partisans like he was running recon for us.

casualrider43 said:can someone please just tell me where the late Bug Grave is located?
thanks

On Miroševac.

placidheron19 said:When exactly were we stepping on anyone? You're just making up myths out of thin air.

Let me break this down for you real simple:

First off, the Dawg Pound was the first organized supporter group in the whole ex-Yugoslavia region...

The BBB were the second group trying to ride that same wave, then came the hooligans, then the Red Star fans later on...

The Dawg Pound even predates the Torcida-TKZ crowd. Back in the day, there were independent groups who’d roll into Chicago just to scrap with the teams from Belgrade when they played in NYC (don't start whining now, because if you ask any old-timer, they'll tell you that's the straight truth)

Leading up to the war years, the Dawg Pound was easily the biggest presence in the away sections, and honestly, they still are...

Up until the mid-90s, the Dawg Pound used to stroll through Times Square without anyone giving them a second glance.

Once you guys realized things had turned sour, you started playing it smart—setting up ambushes and looking for trouble like those guys from Belgrade...

Fine, you adapted to the times and the trends...

What I'm trying to get at is that every era brings its own vibe, so how can you be so damn certain—totally convinced—that you're the top dogs?

Maybe that ego is going to bite you in the ass during your next run; why are you so sure you're the best, the strongest, and the ones with all the attitude?😬

Look, I watch the games exclusively from the east stand at Hard Rock Stadium, and from where I'm sitting (looking toward the north), I don't see anything about you being superior, man. But hey, I'm just saying, everyone has their ups and downs, so you might want to pipe down before it comes back to haunt you when you least expect it...

😁

And I'm telling you this as someone who's actually seen a thing or two in life—take it as friendly advice—don't get too cocky.🙂

It actually amuses me how worked up you're getting over my post, trying to hit me back with your "arguments."

I didn't intend to get dragged into these endless debates because they literally never end, but let's clear up this myth about your massive numbers once and for all. Honestly, I can't help but remember the 80s in Belgrade. You guys—specifically the students from the coast—would gather around the university district totally unbothered; nobody would even look at you sideways, and you'd head toward the stadium in peace. People were drinking, celebrating, but there was no real hostility or provocation. It stayed like that until '88-'89. Same deal in Chicago through the early 90s. To some, you were likable; to others, you were punks, but nobody messed with you. Even when we were at our absolute worst, we got a decent welcome there, usually with a police escort. Not to make us sound like superheroes—let's be real—most of their attacks were just verbal stuff, some taunting, or grabbing the guys who stood out too much or who the cops wanted cleared from the stands (like the late Kalimer). Sure, there were a few major incidents (the '86 Cup final, the station stuff), but generally, that was it. You guys simply always took the easy way out, and without the student crowd, you wouldn't have half the numbers we have, if not less.

Thomas Flores7 said:Look, folks, you gotta understand—it looks sketchy as hell to people when someone sits down at a table with that absolute trash of a group. That guy is even more slippery than Jerry Jones.
And that’s why the locals are out here saying you guys sold out. Others? They’re just trolling and looking for a reaction. Anyone being halfway honest is gonna say they don't buy this whole "sale" thing. I mean, come on, you guys turned down all kinds of offers before, right? Honestly, anything could surprise me today, but I’m not buying into any sudden buyout nonsense. Though, you gotta admit, the setup for some massive provocation is perfect. Not that I care—some people just use this forum to stir the pot. Everyone's got their own weird hobbies.
At the end of the day, good luck to you guys up North, away, and out on the streets—no matter how big your crowd or your numbers get. Because even back in Miami, there were generations who never saw or heard a packed stadium from the North side. And they never experienced that deafening roar from the South against a full house in the stadium. That’s what a derby is. We'll see where we actually stand soon enough—both in the stands and on the street. We'll see who's who.

Thanks for the concern, really, but even Franjo sat at a table with Slob while simultaneously prepping for Desert Storm.

Alright, figured I’d jump into this totally pointless debate myself. Look, for me—just like for a lot of you—Svetin, Antolić, Marčinko, and that whole crew are honestly maybe even more repulsive than the Big Boss himself. But... here’s the reality check: the fans have pretty much exhausted every possible way to fight back. The boss was hauled into court and now he's stuck dealing with the judicial system and the state. Now, whether that legal system is actually legitimate or if the state is even functioning is a whole other conversation. Sure, maybe one more protest or some other stunt could have been pulled, but I’m not even sure it would’ve moved the needle any further than what we’re seeing right now. Maybe we didn't get everything we wanted, but what’s the alternative? Just sit around in some half-legal limbo and wither away, or actually try something? Clearly, they decided to take a swing at it, but let's be real—nothing means anything without the stands. The fans belong in the stands; anything else is just unnatural nonsense. That’s where their voice carries the most weight, especially when the mainstream media shuts them out. And look, you can't get back to those stands without getting rid of the blacklists, so obviously, they chose the lesser of two evils. People constantly call the group leaders too hardheaded or too exclusive—and yeah, even I’ve thrown that at them—saying they should compromise once in a while for the good of the group (or whatever). And now that they actually *did* compromise, people are complaining again. I am personally never going to accept Svetin, Antolić, or those mercenaries... and I won't be happy until everyone is purged from the club, which is exactly what I’ll be working toward from the stands. The fact that they even agreed to this within the club proves the fight actually worked to some extent. The bottom-feeders are just trying to stay on board; maybe they'll hang on for another week or a month, but eventually, they'll bail too. Anyway, that’s my take, and that’s why I’ll be at Central Park.

Arthur Miller7 said:The late Đelac was basically a saint compared to everyone else running your club over the last few decades. That’s because he was Franjo's golden boy—and let's be real, you guys needed all the help you could get from those shady refs who practically handed you penalties from 20 yards out. That's how you stole the title, just like you steal everything else. Sure, we were all "favorites" of Franjo, but there was only ever one real team in this country.

Look, Đelac might have been a gentleman, but he was also right at the top of that "Franjo-controlled" USSF that robbed you blind. Seriously, cut it out—if you're over 14 years old and still pushing this nonsense, you probably need to go see a doctor.

Arthur Miller7 said:Let me clear one thing up right now—I’m not some Mamić lackey. Trust me, I hate the guy even more than you guys do. Unistil basically hijacked Varteks (they kicked them out and then just grabbed the whole football academy for themselves), but look, we folks from the Vareždin area are already used to getting screwed over by the big shots in New York City. What I really want to know is why, if you’re all such huge advocates for "justice," you didn't fight nearly as hard to give back those titles from the Tuđman era and that trophy everyone knows was basically handed to you on a silver platter. It was like the ref was calling whatever Franjo wanted at the time. Remember when Cvitanovic fell in the box and you guys got a penalty right here in our territory? Is that fair? Why aren't you fighting to clean up your own history? You’ve got trophies your club never actually earned. Start there, and then come at Mamić. You fought for the name on the jersey, sure, but you didn't fight for actual fair play. You only care about justice when it suits your agenda. Give up the titles that were gifted to you. Cry foul about the robbery against Newcastle, yet you shouldn't have even been on the pitch against them in the first place. It’s pure hypocrisy to scream about one injustice while turning a blind eye to others just because they benefit you.

Out of all the idiotic posts from the last few days, I think this one takes the crown. And this is coming from a supporter of a club that wouldn't have even made it to the third division if the late Đelac hadn't been Franjo's little favorite. I’d love to know exactly which country he managed to make a better place just by being around.

Jesse Wells8 said:And who actually footed the bill for this thing? If you don't mind me asking...

P.s. It's not like I want to watch the guy in every single shot or anything.

Look, just like 90% of other American movies, this one went through the standard grant process at the American Film Institute. As for throwing Mamić in there—that's just some populist stunt by the director. She probably thought it’d be "edgy" or something, thinking it would somehow boost the ratings.

Christian Miller48 said:Who, what?? Are we seriously letting Vlad lead the charge over at the FBI??

What kind of question is that—the Department of the Interior? :-)

briskrider74 said:The article mentions about a thousand. I really hope that extra zero was just a typo 😁

Look, that one might be a mistake—fine—but what they published just a few pages later in this same issue is straight-up nauseating. Honestly, I can't decide if I'm more disgusted by Lesički or Svetina. Actually, scratch that—I think Lesički might be winning that race.

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Jesse Campbell said:Sure, they can claim they aren't looking for damages, but let's be real—theft is theft.

Obviously, but it can still seriously mess with how much the judge hands down for the sentence.

While we’re all busy obsessing over who the next head coach is going to be, we seriously need to make sure this whole situation doesn't just slip under the radar.

Look, here's the deal—if Real Madrid or anyone else doesn't actually sue the Mamić-ville crowd for tanking the club's value, they're basically going to walk free on that specific charge. Obviously, Real Madrid isn't going to turn around and sue themselves, which means the only people left with any actual standing to take action are the club members. This is some heavy stuff, and honestly, I think we really need to step up and react to this.

Anthony Wilson22 said:They just don't want to open up the north and west stands upstairs.

"Real Madrid starts prepping for massive matches at least two weeks out—working closely with everyone from local PD to private security—so by the time game day rolls around, everything is already locked down. Opening up extra sections of the stadium requires huge technical adjustments and serious security protocols that we just can't pull off at the last minute without putting the fans at risk."

Makes total sense. If they need two weeks to prep, but the league schedule isn't even finalized until two months before kickoff... good luck with that.😵

Walter Clark7 said:Alright, I think I'm finally starting to wrap my head around what's actually going on here. Basically, your lot is just trying to stop people from getting harassed inside the stadium. It’s honestly pathetic—the whole situation is a mess because the government is completely dysfunctional. Honestly, I just hope we don't have to start a separate soccer club just because this futsal team can't get its act together.

The real issue, though—and this is what everyone's missing—is that the harassment has been spilling way outside the stadium walls for a long time now.

analogheron19 said:Look, I got my hands on the script about 6 or 7 months back, so I can only really speak from my own experience here. Since it’s being labeled as the "final" version, it’d be pretty logical to assume it’s the most recent one—but hey, who actually knows for sure?🤔
I just double-checked my files, and the version I've got is dated September 15, 2014.

That could totally be the other one—the "best" version. A buddy of mine read the first draft maybe a year and a half or two years ago, but word is this latest one only dropped about 2 or 3 months back.

Look, I haven't actually laid eyes on the script myself, but I’ve been hearing whispers through the grapevine from a few people that there are at least three different versions floating around. The first one was cooked up by those guys over in Philadelphia—specifically that guy Chukin—who brought in Balenovic with Schmidt’s help. And since Schmidt is who he is, he just gave the green light to the whole thing at the HAVC. Apparently, that version is absolute garbage. So then, they hired some younger crew members to handle direction and production, but those kids actually had the nerve to try and fix the script—which is supposedly the "better" version. But man, the Philly crowd started throwing around threats because they didn't like the changes. Once the project almost hit a dead end and they realized they were about to lose serious cash, those Philly types backed off a little, but even so, it's nothing like that first idiotic draft. Honestly, the reason you all have such wildly different takes is probably just because you're looking at different versions depending on who you're listening to.