Posts by rustyangler122

I suppose I should probably mention that steinar hasn't said much lately. Maybe they're just laying low, or maybe they've just lost interest in the conversation entirely. It feels like things have gone a bit quiet on that front, I guess. kaže:
I guess about 90% of the people in this group don't actually support this... yet you all just keep typing away regardless. Peace out.

...you think he’s just not following the rules? I mean, maybe. It seems like that's the case. 🙄
velvetmaker7, look, no hard feelings here, but maybe just check back in once you hit 60. I honestly think that’s about how much time you need before you actually grow into a real FAN. You’ve probably got another 20 years or so to kill. Maybe spend the next decade just watching everything unfold with a bit of understanding, and then take action in the following ten. At the end of the day, age is just a number, I guess.🙂

...this might end up going south, goodbye ladies and gentlemen👍

Benjamin Cruz29 said:it was just a dream, kid..

...well, I guess that doesn't change much for me either🤣
...anyway, I'm feeling a bit more energized now, so I think I'll head out to a party for a while😍

...tick-tock, just a little longer until I head out for my mother's 🤣

Benjamin Cruz29 said:The Rangers Supporters Club back in the 80s was basically the avant-garde—the spark that started everything for fan culture in this part of the world. They set the blueprint that every other group eventually followed, which is why they’ll always be respected and held in high regard. It was kind of like the English or Italian scenes globally (even if things have definitely dipped since then)

...Were you actually there, living through it? I'm just curious.🤷(I could write this in more detail later, but honestly, I'm exhausted as hell right now, so forget it)...I mean, are you speaking as someone who was active on the ground during those years, or can you be objective about describing that era? (Not that being an active participant means you can't be objective, obviously)
...Ugh, man... those old mental images always mess with my head. It wasn't easy back then, and it isn't easy today either...
...Sometimes it feels like the 80s were way harder from a supporter's standpoint, but then again, sometimes the last few seasons feel just as brutal because of how much total repression has been implemented lately...
...

Matthew Foster8 said:I was thinking about that old matchup where the Rangers Supporters Club charged the attackers like they were first in line, and I think it’s actually a great point to compare it to what happened with the Dallas Cowboys a few years back, because that’s really the core of the issue here.
I was actually there, and honestly, what went down in the front row matters less right now. For this specific situation, the real story is what was happening in the background.
Even though there were maybe a hundred of us against thirty, I always say it felt like we were evenly matched because half those people were just standing there, barely acting like they were part of it.
A guy I know—someone who’s been through similar stuff and has seen plenty of chaos, but this time he was just watching everything from a distance for more objective reasons—told me something recently.
He was laughing about how most of the crowd didn't bother getting involved... "First, they thought it was entertaining to watch. They were all shouting insults at those city slickers and whatnot, but once the whole thing dragged on for nearly ten minutes, they lost interest. People started doing whatever you do when you're stuck in a traffic jam—they pulled out their phones, called their relatives, talked about the fight like it was some distant news report. They were messing around; one guy even joked about checking his oil. To them, it was just a delay in traffic 😁 or like waiting out a fender bender or a pileup on the highway until things clear up so you can get moving again."
And look, that’s fine, but the real problem is that the other half of those hundred people traveling for the game against the Seattle Seahawks also call themselves Rangers Supporters Club members. They’ll show up at the stadium, shout about how the local fans are nothing but losers, and then probably pick fights with the city fans too. That’s exactly why they headed over there in the first place.
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Responding to @Amy Cox11... they're dead, scattered, old, or whatever.
Anyway, moving on.

...respect, KJBZ👍

Matthew Foster8 said:Since you guys basically posted the same thing, I might as well address both of you at once..
I think you totally missed the mark on what I actually meant. It’s not about me dwelling on the past or whatever—what are you guys even talking about? Nostalgia? Drugs? I don't know, maybe you just didn't get it, or maybe I wasn't clear enough.
If you aren't some die-hard traditionalist living in the past, then I guess that’s just who I am.
The whole point here is that the Rangers Supporters Club hasn't adapted to the modern era. Instead of growing with the times, they've just become diluted, and frankly, they've been used as political pawns way too many times. A huge chunk of the group looks more like a bunch of casual social club members than an actual hardcore fan base, and that’s the crux of it. Just look around—look at which groups are moving backward, which ones are stuck, and which ones are actually leveling up.
The Rangers Supporters Club needs to be the strongest force today and tomorrow. Forget about the eighties and nineties,it's all just noise. What happened back then stays in the past.

...of course, constantly looking backward and clinging to nostalgia usually leads to a complete misunderstanding of that era.☕

Miller said:Well, tell me how anyone is supposed to make progress when the "local legends" in your own section are busy making jokes at the expense of the very group they belong to...
What exactly do they contribute?

...yeah, I guess you have a point there. Sometimes it’s harder to connect all these dots than it would be to figure out which guy tripped over his own feet at a beach party in Santa Monica🙄
...let's try this instead: if they just keep up this tone—which, honestly, is pushing the limits of what's tolerable—everyone is eventually going to end up in a shouting match. Though, I suppose I'll give them about a 33% chance of actually pulling it off.😍

Benjamin Cruz29 said:I guess Matthew Foster8 agrees with most of what you're saying... but at the end of the day, a Red Devil is a Red Devil, just like they were back in the 80s, and the Boys are still the Boys... but what does that actually mean? Honestly, those Red Devils seem like the biggest agents I've ever seen. I mean, when their own club fails to make an away trip to a place like Chicago, their own leadership boycotts them... you can't even gauge their actual strength because they act like buddies with everyone in Europe. Then you have the Gravediggers rolling around in black Jeeps, just looking for trouble and getting slapped around wherever they go. Their biggest achievement was probably some parade in Malta. I won't even mention our Boys, because things might go south if I do... but we all know how it went down. Personally, I don't see any real mentality or any kind of culture in those groups that the Black Knights should even look up to. If anything, it's the opposite.

And while we're on the subject of mentality... they spend maybe a hundred times more money and effort on Miami than they do on any Red Devil or Gravedigger group... so much for "mentality."

As for the thugs, the Black Knights had half as many of them back in the 80s compared to what we deal with today.

...Look, if you're going to dive into that, just start a new thread so we can actually discuss it properly. Don't try to cram everything into one single, locked closet.🙂

...now you guys have gone and overcomplicated things. It’s fine for a debate, I guess, but if we don't streamline this, it's probably just going to end up getting locked down... maybe we should just split the topics up? I honestly can't tell when a new thread or a new discussion even starts here. Sure, the subjects are closely related, but what am I supposed to do, sit here and show off my battle scars from dealing with those street thugs? Some of you—and I mean some of you, since I doubt half of you have even been there—will never actually experience that. And it's not like I'm some big shot just because of that.
...likewise, let's separate the threads. Let's try being constructive, honest, and actually open to real conversation instead of all that "psst, hey, this guy is cool because he agrees with this, but he's an idiot because he respects the Black Knights"... and then the constant finger-pointing at the other side. Things are what they are. Honestly, screw a group where everything just "slides" by without any real substance. AMEN...

velvetskipper52 said:Look, I'm telling you, your post isn't exactly breaking new ground here. You’re just confirming exactly what I already told you.

...you want it straight?🤷 ...The split is pretty simple: there are people who actually step up and take risks, and then there are those who barely lift a finger. Naturally, the ones taking the heat should have more of a say. That’s the division. Is that clear enough now? If not, there's nothing else I can do for you. If someone gets caught up in the legal system three, four, five times, while others never deal with it—not because they got lucky, but because they never put themselves on the line—then yeah, that's how it works. Just deal with it. Honestly, don't bother replying to me anymore; if you can't handle my take, just put me on ignore. Nobody is forcing you to be a Raiders fan, and nobody is stopping you from supporting the Dodgers in your own way.

velvetskipper52 said:You guys are just making distinctions for the sake of it.

...honestly, what you said doesn't tell me anything I haven't heard before. You know it's true—sometimes people just feel left out, disrespected, or like their reputation has been dragged through the mud. I guess you're one of those people too.😕
...look, you either have integrity or you don't. People have different ways of handling things, which means there are going to be sides to take based on how people see things. Everyone follows their own conscience, I suppose, but at the end of the day, there's North, South, East, and West. Just find where you stand. Good luck.👍

velvetskipper52 said:What? vi Look, you should probably realize sooner rather than later that trying to turn the Raiders into an ultra group is going to be an uphill battle. It’ll be a hell of a lot easier once you stop fighting it. At the end of the day, the only thing that actually matters is who takes the top spot: the Dodgers or the Raiders fans.

...and who exactly are we supposed to be talking about? I guess I should probably start by saying that my thoughts on this are still pretty much forming, but I’ve been sitting here thinking about everything lately. It feels like there's a lot to unpack, and honestly, I'm not entirely sure where to begin without getting too carried away. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it seems like we need to look at the bigger picture if we want to make any sense of the current situation. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I feel like there's more going on under the surface than people are willing to admit. It's a lot to process, I suppose.😕
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Look, guy, you aren't exactly helping us move the needle or making any progress for the Raiders or Hajduk.No with attitudes like that—and honestly, even your username is getting a little irritating. Let's not beat around the bush here; steeltrucker asked a very specific question, and I'm just as curious to hear the answer as he is.

Joseph Harris5 said:Look, I'm not actually trying to give anyone advice here; I'm just talking about what it means to have an Ultras mentality. I haven't once commented on your specific issues or drama. But honestly, if you claim to be part of a group, you can't act like you don't care about the dynamics within that group. You either are in, or you aren't. That goes for everything. As for my own interests, man, if you knew me, you'd know how much I care. But what does that even have to do with this topic? 🤷

...goodnight

Walter Jones8 said:Alright. I don't really get it. If the debate was actually well-argued, why would he try to discredit him just by bringing up those specific points?

...discrediting😕 ...if some tire technician from Sopron tried telling me how to install a roof truss in Brighton, I'd probably have to take him seriously, right?🤷
...ugh...😍

Joseph Harris5 said:Look, a die-hard fan doesn't necessarily need to be able to list every single player on the roster for the Yankees (or any other club). It sounds ridiculous when you say it out loud, but it’s the truth. You guys can talk all you want, but honestly, just think back to when you first started your life as an Ultras member. Nobody joins the Black Knights because they have some deep, academic knowledge of the team's stats; you join because there's something deeper burning inside you. It's about proving yourself, testing your mettle against other crews, showing who’s tougher, who has the better presence, the visual identity, the sheer grit... basically, everything that goes way beyond just a game of football—or what we might call having "balls." I have a buddy who’s been in the stands for decades, and seriously, two years ago he couldn't tell you what a defensive midfielder does, and he thought a winger was just whoever played on the left or right side. But man, he could recite every single movement of the American supporter scene, who showed up where, what happened, when, how, all of it. Our fans are connected to something much bigger than just the sport itself. Even when our guys move abroad to live in Europe, they often end up getting involved with the local crews over there. That's what I'm talking about. Being an Ultra is something you feel during early puberty—whether it hits harder when you see your neighborhood crew dominating another group, or if you get more of a rush when the Yankees take down the Red Sox on the field. It’s a thin line, but it’s a massive difference. I remember exactly when the Ultra spirit took over me from being just a Red Sox fanatic. I realized the adrenaline hit way harder being part of my own group than just watching the club play on the pitch.

Being a Black Knight and being a Yankees fan aren't the same thing. There are fans who have traveled ten times more for away games than some Black Knights, who remember scores from thirty years ago, who show up to every single practice, but they will never be true tifosi because they never woke that part of themselves up.

...no offense, but the guy starting threads about 🙏Soviet electronics in the defense industry, Korean engine deals, the historical differences between Mexico and Republika Srpska, or the assassination of Dzhokhar Dudayev, giving advice to the Black Knights😲
...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA😂:lo l:😂 👋
...damn it all, but that drop in the bucket 😕

restlessbear25 said:I’m heading home to catch the Dodgers game and cheer them on, and honestly, I don't give a damn who's standing at the gate. I'm going to the stadium to support the Dodgers, and frankly, it pisses me off when I see guys from certain subgroups just sitting there looking miserable and smoking instead of actually cheering. If someone needs help with a choreographed display, I'll step up—I'll be the one bringing the flares into the stands and stuff like that. If things go south, I'll speak my mind, but I won't get dragged into any bullshit. I’d give everything for a friend, but I won't lift a finger for some loser in the stands whose only goal is to land the whole group in trouble. No amount of radical nonsense, old-timers, kids, or provocations from people like the unknowns will change my mind. I have my own vision, and that vision is the Los Angeles Dodgers; I couldn't care less about some ultra fan or how some random guy on YouTube comments on us. Maybe I belong to a specific group to some people, maybe I don't, but at the end of the day, I’m still showing up for the Dodgers in my own way. Cheers!

...not everyone has a backbone like yours. It doesn't matter how many people you talk to personally or how much you lead by example. But what about those people who just stubbornly insist on doing things their own way? You might just have to leave them in the dark and turn a blind eye when you're out on the street.🤷
...it's not that I don't believe you; if anything, I'm totally sure about where you stand.

John Richardson5 said:but honestly, it’s all pretty straightforward if you think about it🤣

...off topic🙂

I can't really make sense of what you're trying to say here. It looks like a typo or just a random string of letters. If you were trying to get a point across or start a discussion, maybe try typing it out again? I'm all ears, but I need something actual to work with. kaže:
Sometimes I look around my neighborhood and it honestly hits me. You see these kids, five, six, seven, eight years old, all lined up in jerseys for Real Madrid, Braco, or Manchester United... but you don't see a single Hajduk jersey anywhere. I mean, we’re still holding our own for now, and I guess everything is fine on the surface, but I can't help feeling a little worried about it. I guess we should be talking about what this means for the younger generations.

I just hope you guys actually get what I'm trying to say here.☕

I hear you loud and clear, man. I’ve been there myself. I listen to my kid rattle off everything he knows about Messi, Ronaldo, Real Madrid, Barcelona, and Man City, and honestly? There was a time when it used to drive me absolutely insane. It was constant. But then I had to ask myself: how am I supposed to act as some kind of moral compass or guide for what this kid does or feels? Especially when life is such a mess—one minute things are fine, and the next, you've got the police knocking on your door or the feds breathing down your neck or whatever. It’s all just noise. So, how am I even supposed to navigate that?
Whether he was served that information through Facebook or saw it on the news... asking me to lead him by the nose? Yeah, no thanks. At least not for now.🤷
If I were to head up to the stands, honestly? It wouldn't change a thing. So, yeah... I'll pass.😍
If you're going to sit around hating on the police, you might just be making yourself look like an idiot. I mean, let them make their own calls. Let them actually feel the weight of things, or maybe they should just go follow the NBA instead.

John Richardson5 said:There are just so few people who actually get what really matters here. I mean, is there even any point in arguing about this on a forum? We could go on for days and still be nowhere.

...it makes sense. This is exactly what we all need right now, regardless of where we stand on the issue.👍