Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Walter Jones8 said:Joseph Harris5... You're acting like a fan, but you don't need to list out your own club's roster? Where on earth are you getting that from? I mean, does anyone actually ask for the starting lineup before they head into a crowded stadium?...
I honestly think you're totally off base here, and you're saying it publicly too...
Why would you say that?
Best regards.

I didn't write that, nor am I saying anything incorrect. Every one of you knows exactly what I'm talking about. It’s about those moments when your adrenaline spikes so high that you care more about winning the battle in the stands than watching the game on the pitch. It's when, during the match, you find yourself staring at the opposing supporters' section, desperate to outdo them, instead of actually watching the players. It's when you're so busy waiting for the rival crowd to pull up a banner just so you can counter it, that you completely miss your own captain getting a red card.

Being a die-hard supporter doesn't mean being detached from your club; it actually means much more than that. When the club performs well, the fans are more focused on their own identity. But when things go south, the fans shift their focus back toward the club to help correct the course. That connection between the supporters and the organization happens during that period of "correction." Once the club stabilizes, the fans return to their usual ways. If the club's issues become too massive, some parts of the fanbase end up working for the opposition!

That’s why it really bothers me when someone tells me they don't care who is leading the charge in the North Stand or who is running the show. Seriously, how can you call yourself a member of this group if you don't care who the leadership is? It’s like living in a huge family where you're just a kid going to school and doing your thing, but your dad is an alcoholic and your mom is selling out the family for a burger, and you just say, "Eh, I don't care what they do, I love my family, I'll just mind my own business and go to class." Well, let's be real—it doesn't work like that!

coastalangler16 said:I’d love to give you a full response here, but it's getting pretty late and I have a busy morning ahead, so I'll write a bit more tomorrow. I completely see where you're coming from on certain points, though I don't quite agree with everything you've laid out. 🙂

Sounds good, I'll check for your reply in the morning. 😉

Man, what did I even say to trigger this? Honestly, you guys should probably just get your act together first.🙂

(Anyway, I’ll keep following along—even though I tend to head over to Yankee Stadium more often, and only hit up ST when there's a decent matchup that actually catches my eye.)

Joseph Harris5 said:Look, a die-hard fan doesn't necessarily need to be able to list every single player on the roster for the Yankees (or any other club). It sounds ridiculous when you say it out loud, but it’s the truth. You guys can talk all you want, but honestly, just think back to when you first started your life as an Ultras member. Nobody joins the Black Knights because they have some deep, academic knowledge of the team's stats; you join because there's something deeper burning inside you. It's about proving yourself, testing your mettle against other crews, showing who’s tougher, who has the better presence, the visual identity, the sheer grit... basically, everything that goes way beyond just a game of football—or what we might call having "balls." I have a buddy who’s been in the stands for decades, and seriously, two years ago he couldn't tell you what a defensive midfielder does, and he thought a winger was just whoever played on the left or right side. But man, he could recite every single movement of the American supporter scene, who showed up where, what happened, when, how, all of it. Our fans are connected to something much bigger than just the sport itself. Even when our guys move abroad to live in Europe, they often end up getting involved with the local crews over there. That's what I'm talking about. Being an Ultra is something you feel during early puberty—whether it hits harder when you see your neighborhood crew dominating another group, or if you get more of a rush when the Yankees take down the Red Sox on the field. It’s a thin line, but it’s a massive difference. I remember exactly when the Ultra spirit took over me from being just a Red Sox fanatic. I realized the adrenaline hit way harder being part of my own group than just watching the club play on the pitch.

Being a Black Knight and being a Yankees fan aren't the same thing. There are fans who have traveled ten times more for away games than some Black Knights, who remember scores from thirty years ago, who show up to every single practice, but they will never be true tifosi because they never woke that part of themselves up.

...no offense, but the guy starting threads about 🙏Soviet electronics in the defense industry, Korean engine deals, the historical differences between Mexico and Republika Srpska, or the assassination of Dzhokhar Dudayev, giving advice to the Black Knights😲
...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA😂:lo l:😂 👋
...damn it all, but that drop in the bucket 😕

Edward Williams12 said:Walter Jones8, man, you’re looking at this all wrong—you're just in the wrong era. Personally, I actually follow the players because I care; I’ve got my eye on everyone from the vets down to the juniors—even my computer would tell you "Cvita" if you asked who's playing for the big club. We're all deeply invested here, and what really ties us together is the Ultras spirit, haha.
Just let them finally have a constructive debate without us jumping in to bicker—honestly, it's exhausting for everyone involved. You start a thread for your own group, and suddenly every troll from the other side shows up to act like they own the place... peace out.

Look, it's just how it goes—some people are obsessed with player names, others couldn't name a single defender to save their lives, some just want the club to win at any cost, and then there are those who only care about the trivial stuff... everyone's different.

rustyangler122 said:...no hard feelings—it’s just that the guy posting threads about 🙏Soviet electronics in defense manufacturing, South Korean engine deals, the historical nuances between Mexico and Republika Srpska, or even the assassination of Dzhokhar Dudayev, is now trying to give advice to the Black Knights😲
...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA😂:lo l:😂 👋
...man, seriously—it's like when people say don't throw stones if you live in a glass house...😕

Alright, I don't get it. If the debate is actually solid, why would someone try to discredit them just by pointing out their other random interests?

mark I hope you actually remember what it was like when you first started showing up to the stands. It’s not like every single neighborhood has that die-hard fan energy... some areas just have a couple of people who care. When you're younger, you aren't exactly "fanatic" right away. You don't know the crew, you don't know who's hitting the road for away games... it's just how it happens naturally. First, you're just hyped when the team scores, then you see the flares, then you start looking up at the older guys like they're gods, you get to know them, meet the big names in the section, and you start learning... eventually, you decide if you're going to be part of the Black Knights or just another casual fan. The stands mean a lot to me too, but let's be real—most people can barely name the players on the roster, and they aren't exactly devastated after a loss against someone like Anderlecht or a random game against Shelbourne 🙂 regarding that whole "fan culture" thing you're talking about, you're totally lost, man. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to the casuals or teach them a thing or two... because sometimes you actually need their help, like with the choreographies and stuff

Hey, can you say for yourself that you're all in with the Black Knights?

rustyangler122 said:...no hard feelings, but the guy starting threads about🙏Soviet electronics in the defense industry, South Korean engine deals, the historical distinctions between Mexico and Republika Srpska, and the assassination of Dzhokhar Dudayev while trying to give advice to the Black Knights😲
...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA😂:lo l:😂 👋
...man, what a mess, but hey, don't throw stones in my well 😕

I’m not actually handing out advice; I’m just discussing the Ultras mentality. I haven't once commented on your specific issues or personal drama. But can someone who considers themselves part of a group really claim they don't care about the group's dynamics? You're either in or you're out—it applies to everything. As for my own interests, if you knew me personally, you'd know how much they vary. What does that have to do with this topic? Does it? 🤷

Walter Jones8 said:Alright. I don't really get it. If the debate was actually well-argued, why would he try to discredit him just by bringing up those specific points?

...discrediting😕 ...if some tire technician from Sopron tried telling me how to install a roof truss in Brighton, I'd probably have to take him seriously, right?🤷
...ugh...😍

Larry Baker3 said:Joseph Harris5, I really hope you remember how it felt when you first started showing up to the stands. Just like some neighborhoods have a deep-rooted spirit while others only send a handful of people to games, it’s all part of growing up. When you're young, you aren't necessarily a hardcore supporter right away; you don't know the whole crew or who you'll be traveling with for away games. It's just a natural progression. First, you're just thrilled when the home team scores, then you start noticing the flares, then you look up to the older fans like they're legends. You get to know the veterans, meet the big personalities in the section, and start learning the ropes. Eventually, based on that experience, you decide if you want to be part of the Black Knights or just a casual fan. For me, being in the stands is vital, but let's be honest—most people don't actually follow every player closely, and you aren't exactly devastated after a loss against a small club like Shelbourne, are you? 🙂 Regarding what you said about the supporter culture, I think you're missing the point entirely. That doesn't mean we shouldn't communicate with or educate the casual fans, because you still need them sometimes (like for a big stadium choreography), right?

I am certainly not bashing casual fans, nor do I have anything against them. I am simply pointing out that there is a clear distinction between an "Ultras" member and a "supporter." In fact, many casual fans attend more matches, go to more away games, and even get into more scraps than some Ultras! But they will never truly be Ultras because they lack that specific mindset. This doesn't make one group better or worse than the other; I'm just stating that they belong to different mental categories. To me, organized groups like the Black Knights or an Ultras group are distinct entities, not just a collection of fans who happen to have hundreds of away games under their belts. 😉 And honestly, if someone tells me they don't care who is standing in the Black Knights section, then in my eyes, they aren't part of the Black Knights. How can you not care about that?

Joseph Harris5 said:Look, I'm not actually trying to give anyone advice here; I'm just talking about what it means to have an Ultras mentality. I haven't once commented on your specific issues or drama. But honestly, if you claim to be part of a group, you can't act like you don't care about the dynamics within that group. You either are in, or you aren't. That goes for everything. As for my own interests, man, if you knew me, you'd know how much I care. But what does that even have to do with this topic? 🤷

...goodnight

rustyangler122 said:Look, I’ll be the first to admit it—I’m acting like a total fool lately, just biting at every little hook thrown my way. I guess I’ve just been feeling a bit more sensitive than usual recently. Is that alright?🤷

No harm done! At the end of the day, this is a forum—a place for us to write, share our experiences, and swap ideas. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why shouldn't people engage in a little healthy discussion? What's the harm in that? 😉

Honestly, this entire forum is basically a perfect microcosm of all our biggest issues... At this point, I’m just sitting back, reading it all, and offering my two cents from a neutral perspective...

Everyone here acts like an expert, everyone knows everything about everyone else, yet nobody has the guts to actually face up to one another. When every single one of you finally grows some backbone, grabs your phones, and says, "Hey, let's meet up at a local pub, the fan club, Yankee Stadium, or just out on the street" to settle things face-to-face, then—and only then—can you say you've actually moved the needle.
I’d bet anything that 90% of you wouldn't dare say even 10% of what you type to each other (or your own crews) in real life.

All this online posting isn't going to achieve a single thing. It’s just a way for people to boost their egos and practice being fake—nothing but hypocrisy and double standards.

And it’s not just you guys; unfortunately, it’s just the typical American mindset...

In the end, it’s actually pretty hilarious watching people who clearly know each other argue on the internet as if they were total strangers.

I'm not sure, but I think they wrote it in the Bible: the truth will set you free. It’s simple, it’s profound, and it is damn true. 😉

Honestly, looking back at all those posts about fake solidarity and whatnot... it's all just noise. Wouldn't it be better if we were a smaller group, but actually stood by one another? Just more cohesive and genuinely looking out for each other?

Nice, nice... I think you guys actually managed to leave your egos in the garage for once. You're actually having decent conversations over these last two pages—way better than just sweeping everything under the rug and acting totally checked out...

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Stop messing things up. The guy said exactly what needed to be said, and honestly? I don't give a damn. I'll be right there in the stands like always. But when it comes to those NFL Ultras, I’m just fed up. Why is it that you guys don't even acknowledge people coming from out of town? Every time someone from a different part of the country walks through the stands, they get the side-eye like they're being judged. It’s like you'd rather kill them than accept that they love the Los Angeles Dodgers just as much as you do. It's pathetic.

Why does the red guy always have to be right about everything???