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crimsonfox26 said:Does a standard iron screening also look at my actual iron stores, or is that something I need to specifically request from my doctor?

That really depends on who is ordering the labs, but if you want a complete picture, it is highly recommended to test for serum iron, UIBC, TIBC, and ferritin. In my view, checking your ferritin levels is absolutely essential for understanding your reserves.
It would be prudent to perform a thorough assessment.
Yes, it has been a full month now.
I am curious to know whether this referral was issued by a specialist at a major hospital or perhaps by a primary care physician? If it falls into the latter category, I suspect the results will be processed through a local diagnostic lab; in that scenario, the facility can simply access the electronic order via their system, making this paper document essentially nothing more than a physical confirmation
of which specific tests are being requested.
An internal referral? Well, that really depends on the specific field of practice, though typically you would also receive an order confirmation specifying a set date if everything is scheduled accordingly.
BAT Kol and alternative moderation in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Sophia Ramos5 said:It's obvious that BAT kolo is biased and keeps letting trolls run wild because it suits them to bury any discussion about raw food under a sea of spam.

And if you listen to what the doctor says, it’s pretty clear why they don't want people treating themselves with raw food.

Get him out of here immediately.

To put it bluntly, this is the quintessential essence of these "alternative groups." One might just call it organized trolling.

Elizabeth Jackson—there is simply no point in us dissecting these posts all over again. It is obvious to you that we will remain at an impasse, and that every response to a response will merely perpetuate the exact same arguments already presented. I have no desire to repeat myself, as I have already laid out my position clearly.
BAT Kol and alternative moderation in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Elizabeth Jackson said:Nice and northernpilot2, thank you both for taking the time to respond.

northernpilot2, I find myself agreeing with your assessment. It feels like there's an attempt here to resolve this using the path of least resistance—the most painless route possible—which, if my past experiences are any indication, doesn't exactly promise much in the way of actual improvement.
In my view, stricter moderation standards and a rigorous adherence to the forum rules should have been implemented a long time ago equally for everyone , which would have prevented a situation like this from ever arising in the first place.
I believe—and I suspect anyone watching this would agree—that moderation cannot, and should not, be handled so subjectively. One shouldn't moderate based on whether content fits a specific worldview, dismissing anything that doesn't align with their personal vision as mere idiocy, nonsense, and stupidity or simply moderating according to one's own personal convictions .
As long as things continue to be moderated this way, we aren't going to see any progress.

Just as a reminder, I’ve personally reached out to you directly twice before regarding the poor moderation surrounding the BAT kolo, where I also presented a literal mountain of evidence.
Some measures were taken, and there were some minor shifts for the better, but they were incredibly short-lived.
Before long, everything reverted to the old ways, and over time, the situation actually worsened. That’s evident from the examples I’ve provided, and I should point out that these are just the most recent instances; nearly 90% of them date back only within the last two or three months.
If necessary, I can certainly provide many more examples from earlier periods.
That is precisely why I’ve filed this complaint: because this has been dragging on forever and is a constant issue; it's really just a question of how intense it gets.
Believe me, I wouldn't dream of filing a complaint like this or wasting my time—or yours—digging through all these contentious posts (even though they aren't hard to find) if there wasn't a truly justified reason for doing so.

While I’d love to be wrong, if the situation regarding the moderators remains unchanged, I am quite certain that this "stricter moderation" will be applied only briefly before everything quickly slides right back to how it was.
And if that happens, what then? Are we just going to tighten the moderation criteria again? 😉

One more thing... when you speak about breaking the rules, you only seem to focus on crude insults (though Nice also mentions ad hominem attacks ). But what about the incessant spam, off-topic chatter, and those mocking, rude, and provocative posts posted by the very same group of members (led primarily by briskbison55 and Biljka112) that clearly aim to stir up arguments and disrupt the flow of discussion across various topics in the alternative section?
briskbison55 hasn't contributed a single constructive post regarding raw food, Chemtrails, or many other topics in the alternative section.
It’s a similar story with Biljka112—constant poking and provoking of those with differing views, just in a slightly more sophisticated and less overtly obnoxious way than briskbison55.
Are there truly no warnings or sanctions for spam, off-topic posting, provoking interlocutors, or bickering?
From what I can see in the forum rules (specifically points 4, 11, 12, 13, and 15), there absolutely should be.
And according to this as well.

?

Finally, I have one last question that is closely tied to this whole matter.
I only noticed this a bit later.
If I may ask—and I believe other users participating in the alternative section would also be interested—how did that conclude, and what were the specific decisions and actions taken by the super-moderators regarding that issue?

Everything has been explained quite clearly and is laid out for all to see. In what way is there cause for complaint?
BAT Kol and alternative moderation in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Sophia Ramos5 As stated by:
It appears to me that Carol Lopez23 is exhibiting a significant amount of bias in their role as moderator. I recall seeing a post where Ryan Gomez4 mentioned being a medical professional by trade, arguing that someone in that position should not be overseeing an alternative health discussion. Given our current focus on raw food, and considering how certain trolls are permitted to incessantly pollute this thread with their irrational outbursts without facing any repercussions, it seems quite clear that they ought to be barred from moderating any discussions regarding alternative medicine.

If a physician were to actually admit that an alternative approach holds any merit, they would essentially be spitting in their own face.
It seems as though absolutely no one is putting in any effort at all.

The discussion regarding raw food has become quite cluttered, and I believe it is high time we implement a formal poll to decide which specific posts should be removed to restore the integrity of the topic. It would be most prudent to prohibit trolls from accessing the thread entirely. Furthermore, to prevent bad actors from simply creating multiple accounts to skew the results, we should restrict voting privileges to those members who have been part of our community for at least a few months and have contributed a meaningful number of posts.

The individuals who consistently engage in polluting this discussion thread are:

It appears that Biljka112 and briskbison55 have entered the conversation, much like two seasoned observers stepping onto the stage of a grand theater to offer their unique perspectives on the unfolding drama.

I would be most grateful if the rest of you could kindly offer some suggestions...

It appears you have completely missed the mark on this one.

Is the act of derailing a discussion merely an attempt to undermine the core idea that we are all being treated like mindless sheep? Inferior, dull-witted, and nothing more than obedient little sheep.?

Elizabeth Cruz As stated by:
I find myself wondering exactly how much longer posts like these from moderators will be tolerated on the alternative boards without any disciplinary action being taken.


What exactly constitutes a valid reason for dismissal in this particular situation?

Gary Cox2 As stated by:
If someone chooses to live on a strict diet of raw food and spends their time sharing recipes with like-minded individuals in their own little community, then I truly don't see why anyone should care.
It seems to me that those who embrace the alternative lifestyle shouldn't be categorized under the umbrella of PDF health; rather, I believe we ought to provide those who have adopted this way of life as their daily standard a more comfortable corner within our community to call home.
If someone truly believes that those white streaks stretching across the sky are Chemtrails, I have to say, it’s quite laughable. One might wonder, what actual harm could such a phenomenon possibly be inflicting upon us? It seems to me that there are certain groups of people who would just as easily believe in Bigfoot or maintain that they possess the mental fortitude to move entire mountain ranges through sheer willpower alone.

It seems that no one is actually criticizing the lifestyle or the specific philosophy that such a choice is the most beneficial path for an individual—and I am speaking exclusively regarding the topic of raw food.

Gary Cox2 As stated by:
Allowing alternative viewpoints to be belittled or mocked on an alternative platform simply because their reasoning doesn't align with mainstream medicine is something I cannot support. After all, this is an alternative site; one should naturally expect perspectives that diverge from standard medical consensus..

However, presenting these views as universal truths—and positioning them as being contra to established science and medicine—is no longer merely a matter of ideology or personal choice; it carries implications for society as a whole. Rejecting proven facts, logic, and fundamental biology in favor of promoting paranoid ideas, which leads to the spread of disease and ultimately the proliferation of falsehoods, is something that cannot and must not be allowed to fly "under the radar."

Gregory Howard4 said:Everything Elizabeth Jackson wrote is spot on. Honestly, there are even worse cases out there—I’ve been following the raw food threads and other stuff over on the alternative boards for years now. But this kind of blatant, unfair moderation? It completely kills any desire to post. You can't even have a decent conversation because the constant trolling and provocation are just allowed to happen, and Carol Lopez23 clearly gives them a free pass. It’s pathetic, and I don't get how a supermoderator can be blind to it. Like they say, if it wasn't funny, it would be tragic!! Just like one commenter put it, if you want to destroy Reddit, just keep tolerating this absolute nonsense. Ignorance is bliss, or so the rulers of all failed empires used to say.

So, what you're saying is it’s best if there is no opposing side at all, right?

northernpilot2 said:Exactly this.
I just went through the whole thread, looking at all the quoted posts and the explanations for why people were or weren't banned.
Honestly, it sucks that things got this out of hand, especially with all the personal insults flying between users.
Moderator Carol Lopez23 mentioned earlier that the alternative section was never going to be "sterile," and suggested that some insults shouldn't result in bans for either side, and I think that's exactly where the wheels fall off.
Any blatant insult needs to be dealt with, period. It should apply to everyone equally. There shouldn't be any fear that enforcing rules will make the subforum too "sterile"—if anything, it's the opposite.
After reading back through everything, I totally agree that there are definitely posts that should have been flagged, but they weren't because Carol Lopez23, acting as moderator, decided to turn a blind eye to both sides. That tendency to look the other way is precisely why we're seeing inconsistent criteria and uneven moderation, which is what everyone is complaining about, including the person who started this appeal.

I know I'm probably repeating myself here, but since I don't want to go hunting for the specific posts where I publicly argued on the PŽK board that the standards for the alternative section need to be tightened up, I'll say it again right now: we need to start applying this kind of moderation immediately. It’s the only way to maintain the quality of the discussions and to make sure people realize that direct insults won't fly anywhere, regardless of how much people worry about making the forum feel too "sanitized."

No problem. Direct insults haven't been tolerated before either, but let's define exactly what we mean so everyone can see.
In other words, should I censor terms like nonsense, stupidity, or foolishness...? Or various insinuations regarding someone's health, competence, or intellect? I ask, purely so that the anti-vax, raw food, PROchemtrails, and similar crowds don't go wild clicking those report buttons.
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Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

Is there truly such a thing as genuine education regarding Chemtrails, or is it merely an exercise in spreading misinformation? One might wonder if we are witnessing a sincere attempt to enlighten the public, or if it is simply a way to circulate baseless theories under the guise of academic inquiry. When we consider the vast landscape of information available today, it becomes increasingly difficult to distinguish between rigorous scientific study and mere speculation designed to stir unrest. It is much like trying to navigate a dense fog without a compass; without a clear, verifiable foundation, one can easily lose their way in a sea of unproven claims. 🤔 Is there an actual academic study supporting this? Or perhaps a specific curriculum at a university? While I certainly don't claim to be an expert in aerodynamics or meteorology, I find myself perfectly capable of listening to and accepting the explanations provided by those who actually hold those credentials—all without succumbing to the paranoia that we are witnessing some grand "global conspiracy against humanity," which is one of those theories being pushed around quite frequently (and, frankly, lacks any real logic). It seems to me that you proponents of alternative theories tend to do the exact opposite, so I am simply pointing you toward common sense.

It seems to me that the Forum member is merely attempting to dodge the core issue by scattering various empty platitudes—specifically those little memes, paranoid theories, and random clips you find all over YouTube.

By the way, those images are still available for anyone who wishes to view them, so please feel free to take a look and verify everything for yourselves.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Is this being deemed irrelevant based on the established rules of Reddit, or is it merely a reflection of your own subjective viewpoints?

Just to offer my perspective on this matter—regarding both of them. If one examines their entire body of work, the truth becomes abundantly clear; anyone with eyes to see will certainly recognize it.

Regarding nutritional recommendations, there really isn't any controversy to be found here, nor have posts of this nature ever been removed or flagged by moderators. 🤷

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
That assessment appears to be incorrect.
The forum member utilizes a verbatim quote from:
The University in Washington, D.C.
THE DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
An Examination of Rousseau’s Critique regarding Enlightenment Ideals
PROGRESS: THE THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Academic Mentor: Raul Raunić, Ph.D.

A verbatim quotation from the post made by the Reddit user can be found on the third page.
The comment posted by Forumašev had absolutely no connection whatsoever to the theories proposed by A. Hitler.
It appears that one fellow on Reddit was quoting the work of Rousseauov’s critique.
It would be quite an oversight to assume, simply due to a lack of information, that there is any connection to Hitler here. Furthermore, if one observes closely, briskbison55’s posts touch upon Nazism on several different occasions, sometimes through subtle implications and at other times with more direct assertions.
It appears we are dealing with a situation involving a direct and intentional insult, one that mirrors the rhetoric of hate speech and the genocidal constructs seen in the Final Solution under Hitler and the Wehrmacht. This individual persists in such behavior even after being cautioned by other users on Reddit not to recklessly imply connections to that "Austrian painter," an issue that briskbison55 also raised just a few posts ago without any clear justification.
The NATO entity, acting like 7 Nationarmy, went even further by referencing Hitler’s "final solutions" with clear intent to offend, rather than out of mere ignorance or an accidental *argumentum ad Hitlerum*. Given what you've pointed out, wouldn't it be wise to acknowledge your error regarding the poor moderation here?

I am specifically addressing the post by 7 Nationarmy; from what I can gather, he wasn't quoting anyone outside of this platform, nor did I get the impression he was invoking Nazism. As I previously noted, the reasoning is flawed, and in response to Jason Grant—perhaps 7 Nationarmy isn't aware that Jason Grant simply transcribed that from a scholarly work, given that no source was cited)

We could also delve into the segment where he claims: "Liberation from the shackles of ignorance is only possible through science which will ensure progress toward ever better
forms of social organization," though I suspect that might be going a bit too far. 😁

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

That specific post doesn't warrant a penalty at all; the quote provided is nothing more than nonsense and sweeping generalizations (and really, does it even require translation?)

The rest has already been addressed above.
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Elizabeth Jackson said:...and the continuation...

Just to clarify, I’ve been an active participant in this thread for years now, and I have reported these kinds of inflammatory posts more times than I can count.
Carol Lopez23 didn't get banned. I don't think I've ever actually had a single post of mine reported. I mean, they didn't even bother to give a member like that a warning.
It seems I’m not the only one who has run into this; several other members on Reddit have shared the exact same experience.
If I recall correctly, the only person who ever actually stepped up to hand out a red card for such blatant rule-breaking was Ryan Gomez4.
There were plenty of instances where she didn't actually issue any formal warnings, but after enduring endless trolling, she did step in to caution the more problematic members. I can't help but wonder—wouldn't it be better if we could just get the discussion back to a civilized level?

Here are a few examples like that:
I suppose there’s a certain logic to how people approach this, though I find myself questioning if we’re even looking at the same map. It seems like everyone is trying to connect dots that might not actually be part of the same picture. Maybe I’m being too skeptical, or maybe I’m just seeing the gaps where others see solid lines. When you look at the way these theories circulate on platforms like Reddit, there's this sense of inevitable momentum. People grab onto a single thread and pull until the whole fabric unravels. It’s fascinating, in a way—this collective drive to find an underlying pattern behind everything. But I can't help but wonder if we aren't sometimes just projecting our own need for order onto what is essentially chaos. It’s easy to get swept up in the fervor, especially when the arguments feel so visceral. You see someone posting something that feels like a smoking gun, and suddenly, the entire consensus starts to shift. But I guess it’s worth pausing to ask: are we following the evidence, or are we just following the loudest voice in the room? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we should be careful about how quickly we embrace a narrative just because it feels satisfyingly complete.
I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I honestly feel like we might be overlooking something pretty fundamental here. It seems to me that when people start throwing around these heavy-duty theories, there’s often a grain of truth buried under all the noise—even if the way it’s being presented feels a bit extreme. I was looking back at some of the points raised by Elizabeth Jackson, and while her perspective is certainly intense, it makes you wonder if we aren't just scratching the surface of what's actually happening. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it feels like there’s a disconnect between what the mainstream media tells us and what a lot of people are seeing with their own eyes. It’s easy to dismiss these ideas as pure speculation, but if you look at the patterns, they don't always align perfectly with the official narrative. Then you have the arguments coming from briskbison55, which are even more provocative. It’s almost as if we're living in two different realities: one where everything is controlled and predictable, and another where things are much more chaotic and potentially manipulated. I guess it depends on how much you trust the institutions that are supposed to be keeping us safe and informed. Personally, I tend to lean toward a healthy dose of skepticism. It’s probably safer to assume that nothing is ever quite as simple as they want us to believe. Perhaps the real issue isn't whether these specific theories are true, but rather why they gain so much traction in the first place. When people feel unheard or misled by the powers that be, they naturally start looking for answers in places that others might call "fringe." It’s a bit of a cycle, really. The more the establishment pushes a single narrative, the more people will push back with something entirely different. I suppose we're all just trying to make sense of a world that feels increasingly unpredictable.
I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at this more objectively. It feels like we’re all getting caught up in the heat of the moment, but if you really sit down and parse through the arguments being made, there’s a significant amount of noise drowning out the actual substance. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to accept every claim as absolute truth without looking at the underlying data. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to feel that when everyone starts shouting at once, the nuance gets lost. It’s easy to fall into these echo chambers where we just validate each other's biases, rather than actually challenging them. I mean, if we want to get anywhere meaningful, we have to be willing to question even our own side. It’s a bit uncomfortable, sure, but isn't that the whole point of having these discussions? I was reading some stuff on Reddit the other day about similar debates happening over in Europe, and it struck me how universal this pattern is. People get passionate, emotions run high, and suddenly the logic becomes secondary to the feeling of being right. It’s a fascinating, if somewhat frustrating, human tendency. I suppose we could try to steer the conversation toward more empirical evidence, though I realize how difficult that can be once people have already dug their heels in. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking about this conversation quite a bit lately, and I feel like we need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how these systems actually function, which leads people to jump to conclusions that don't quite hold up under scrutiny. When you look at the data—really dig into it rather than just skimming the headlines—you start to see the cracks in the mainstream narrative. I mean, I guess it’s easy to get swept up in the immediate reaction, but if we apply a bit of logic, the whole thing starts to look a little different. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to believe that things are rarely as simple as they are presented on the evening news. It’s interesting, really. You have one group of people insisting on a specific outcome, while another group, much like what we see discussed over on Reddit, is pointing out the inconsistencies. I find myself leaning toward the latter. There’s a certain level of skepticism required when dealing with large-scale institutions; otherwise, you risk missing the subtle shifts happening right under your nose. I’m not saying I have all the answers—far from it—but I do think we should be asking more pointed questions. If we aren't questioning the underlying assumptions, then we aren't really participating in a meaningful dialogue, are we? It feels like we're often just reacting to the symptoms rather than addressing the actual cause. Perhaps if we approached this with a bit more nuance, we wouldn't feel so polarized. Just a thought.
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this whole situation, and I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just missing the forest for the trees. It feels like there’s this constant, heavy tension in our discussions lately, almost as if everyone is bracing for an impact that hasn't quite arrived yet. When you look at what people like Elizabeth Jackson are saying, or even follow the threads started by briskbison55, there seems to be this deep-seated suspicion regarding the information being fed to us through mainstream channels. I guess it’s understandable. In an era where trust in major institutions—whether it’s the federal government or big tech companies like Google—is at an all-time low, people naturally start looking for alternative explanations. Maybe that’s just how we’re wired now. I was reading some older arguments on Reddit recently, and it struck me how much of our discourse relies on whether or not we believe certain scientific consensus. If you lean toward the views shared by someone like Mercola, you start seeing patterns everywhere. You begin to question the very air we breathe or the food on our plates. It’s a rabbit hole, really. Once you start questioning the validity of standard medical advice or the motives behind large-scale environmental policies, it’s hard to go back to that simple, unquestioning way of living. Then you have the more intense theories floating around, like the ones concerning Chemtrails or the various agendas discussed by proponents of PROchemtrails. There’s a certain subset of the population that looks up at the sky and doesn't see weather patterns, but rather a coordinated effort of atmospheric manipulation. While I tend to approach these ideas with a fair amount of skepticism, I can't deny that the sheer scale of the anxiety they produce is real. It isn't just "nonsense," as some might dismissively call it; for many, it's a fundamental distrust of power itself. It’s a bit of a mess, isn't it? We’re caught between a desire for empirical, peer-reviewed certainty and a growing feeling that the "experts" might be hiding something significant. I don't have the answers, and I certainly don't want to claim I do. I think we just need to be careful about which voices we choose to amplify. Whether we're discussing politics in Washington, D.C., or debating the merits of raw food diets, the underlying issue remains the same: who do we actually trust when everything feels so uncertain?

I honestly can't help but wonder if we're all just missing something fundamental here. I was looking back at some of the discussions on Reddit, and it feels like there’s this massive gap between what people are actually experiencing and the official narrative being pushed. It’s almost like we’re living in two different realities. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but when you look at the sheer scale of what’s being discussed regarding things like Chemtrails ii, it seems wild to think that everyone is just collectively oblivious. I mean, I guess it’s possible that most people are just too busy with their own lives to notice, but for those of us who are paying attention, the patterns are becoming harder to ignore. It’s not even about wanting to find conspiracies; it’s more about trying to make sense of the data that's right in front of our eyes. I remember reading an argument from Elizabeth Jackson once where she pointed out how often these "outlier" observations get dismissed as mere coincidence. And while I agree that we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions without evidence, there comes a point where the coincidences start feeling a bit too choreographed, doesn't it? It's a delicate balance—trying to stay grounded in reality while acknowledging that reality might be much stranger than the news anchors would have us believe. I suppose the real question is: at what point does a series of anomalies stop being a fluke and start being a pattern? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we need to keep asking the questions. Otherwise, we're just drifting along, accepting whatever version of the truth is handed to us.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recent discussions regarding the intersection of scientific consensus and the various theories circulating online. It seems like we're constantly navigating this strange gray area where established academic institutions—the kind you'd find at Harvard or Stanford—clash with what people are seeing with their own eyes on platforms like YouTube. It’s an interesting tension, isn't it? On one hand, you have the official narrative provided by mainstream medical bodies, and on the other, you have voices like Mercola or even the controversial findings associated with Wakefield that continue to spark intense debate. I suppose it’s easy to feel like there's a massive disconnect between what the government tells us and the lived experiences of individuals who are looking deeper into things like Chemtrails or environmental shifts. Maybe I’m being too cautious, but I often find myself wondering if we're truly getting the full picture. There’s a certain level of skepticism that feels almost necessary nowadays. When you look at how information is filtered through major media conglomerates, it makes sense why people would turn to alternative perspectives to find what they consider the truth. It’s not necessarily about rejecting science, but perhaps about questioning who controls the lens through which we view it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the line between "fringe" and "fact" is much more porous than most people care to admit. It's a messy, complicated landscape, and I don't think there are any simple answers.

Unlike her, Carol Lopez23 seemed more interested in keeping the argument going.

Or perhaps he would only bother to react once someone with a different perspective finally posted something that didn't fit neatly into his established patterns of thought.

There were times when he even found himself siding with those who went out of their way to insult anyone with a different opinion:
I was looking back through some of the older discussions on Reddit, and I stumbled upon this particular thread. It’s interesting how certain topics just refuse to stay buried, isn't it? Looking at the points being made here, I feel like we need to take a step back and look at the broader implications. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate back-and-forth, but if you really dig into the underlying logic—or lack thereof—there’s a much larger pattern emerging. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't just take these claims at face value. There seems to be a significant amount of nuance being missed by most of the people jumping into the fray. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I suspect there's more to the story than what's being presented on the surface. It feels like we're circling the same arguments without ever actually addressing the core issue. It's almost as if everyone is talking past one another rather than engaging with the actual substance of the debate. I find myself wondering if anyone is truly listening, or if we're all just waiting for our turn to speak. Regardless, it's worth keeping an eye on how this evolves.

It’s happened quite often that even some of our most regular and active contributors have stepped up to make it crystal clear: the situation surrounding this topic has officially spiraled completely out of control.

Here is how Carol Lopez23 reacted:
I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and I have to say, some of the arguments being thrown around here are truly mind-boggling. It feels like we’re drifting further and further away from any kind of grounded reality. I was reading through some of the points made by Elizabeth Jackson, and honestly, I find myself questioning how we even get to this point of discourse. It seems like there’s a massive disconnect between what people claim to know and the actual evidence available to us. Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but it feels like a lot of these theories are built on incredibly shaky foundations. Then you look at the comments from briskbison55, and it’s almost like we're speaking different languages. There’s this tendency to jump to these wild conclusions without stopping to ask if there's a simpler explanation right in front of our eyes. I guess it’s easy to get swept up in a narrative when it feels like everything is connected, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Even looking at what Carol Lopez23 mentioned—it really makes me wonder about the influence of certain echo chambers online. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to separate genuine inquiry from what feels like organized misinformation. I mean, I try to keep an open mind, I really do, but at some point, you have to draw a line between curiosity and pure speculation. It’s a strange time to be searching for truth, isn't it? It feels like every time you think you've found a solid footing, someone comes along and pulls the rug out from under you with a new, even more outlandish theory. I suppose we'll just have to see which way the wind blows.

KLEOPATRA is back at it again, making comments about how rules should be bent:

And also:

I’m Marec, and I’ve been a dedicated member here for quite some time, bringing years of actual, hands-on experience with this kind of diet to the table:

I am fairly certain—and I can say this with a high degree of confidence regarding many others as well—that these specific members have just walked away from this thread because of exactly this kind of moderation.

If the recent wave of trolling, insults, and off-topic nonsense has truly spiraled out of control and crossed every reasonable line, I suppose this recent incident serves as the perfect evidence. Ryan Gomez4's statement It’s pretty obvious she really gets what’s going on here. You can tell she’s fully aware of how this topic is constantly being shut down and obstructed. Honestly, you can almost feel her desperation—that sense of feeling completely powerless to actually change anything, like she's just reached her absolute limit with all of it.

After seeing that, I felt compelled to step in and offer my own take on the situation. Ideas for improving how this forum functions..
Carol Lopez23 used some pretty vulgar and uncivil language to make it crystal clear that they're essentially trying to strip away the rights of anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them.

I am well aware of how things work around here on Reddit. I fully recognize that everyone has every right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe a moderator’s role isn't to act as a judge—it shouldn't be their job to decide from their own personal standpoint whether someone else's opinion is nonsense, foolishness, or just plain stupidity. Their actual responsibility is simply to moderate according to the established community guidelines.

The controversial posts I’ve listed here... In the meantime, I’ve been consistently filing reports over and over again.
Even though quite a few days have passed since these were originally posted—and even though I’ve personally reported them several times, along with many other users who I’m certain have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response. No sanctions, no warnings, no deleted posts... nothing at all. It honestly feels as if there isn't even a moderator on duty here.

However, there certainly was one present back when I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. Those photos featuring the sheep....

There was also that instance where Jason Grant was unfairly handed a red card. Just some fabricated trolling..

Given everything that’s been laid out and explained here, it seems pretty obvious that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and totally subjective, which flies right in the face of many of the standard rules we have here on Reddit.
Because of all this, I’m actually looking into requesting an exemption from the Carol Lopez23 moderator to see if we can finally get this discussion back to a civilized level. My hope is that by doing so, we might steer things toward a more productive path, allowing those who are just here to troll or push fringe theories to either move on or finally find their way back to the actual heart of the topic.

Thanks, and all the best!

Elizabeth Jackson

The vast majority of those contentious posts that were flagged have been removed, which aligns perfectly with my primary moderation philosophy. I don't always opt for issuing formal warnings, as I prefer a more direct approach to maintaining order.

Elizabeth Jackson said:...and the continuation...

Just to clarify, I’ve been an active participant in this thread for years now, and I have reported these kinds of inflammatory posts more times than I can count.
Carol Lopez23 didn't get banned. I don't think I've ever actually had a single post of mine reported. I mean, they didn't even bother to give a member like that a warning.
It seems I’m not the only one who has run into this; several other members on Reddit have shared the exact same experience.
If I recall correctly, the only person who ever actually stepped up to hand out a red card for such blatant rule-breaking was Ryan Gomez4.
There were plenty of instances where she didn't actually issue any formal warnings, but after enduring endless trolling, she did step in to caution the more problematic members. I can't help but wonder—wouldn't it be better if we could just get the discussion back to a civilized level?

Here are a few examples like that:
I suppose there’s a certain logic to how people approach this, though I find myself questioning if we’re even looking at the same map. It seems like everyone is trying to connect dots that might not actually be part of the same picture. Maybe I’m being too skeptical, or maybe I’m just seeing the gaps where others see solid lines. When you look at the way these theories circulate on platforms like Reddit, there's this sense of inevitable momentum. People grab onto a single thread and pull until the whole fabric unravels. It’s fascinating, in a way—this collective drive to find an underlying pattern behind everything. But I can't help but wonder if we aren't sometimes just projecting our own need for order onto what is essentially chaos. It’s easy to get swept up in the fervor, especially when the arguments feel so visceral. You see someone posting something that feels like a smoking gun, and suddenly, the entire consensus starts to shift. But I guess it’s worth pausing to ask: are we following the evidence, or are we just following the loudest voice in the room? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we should be careful about how quickly we embrace a narrative just because it feels satisfyingly complete.
I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I honestly feel like we might be overlooking something pretty fundamental here. It seems to me that when people start throwing around these heavy-duty theories, there’s often a grain of truth buried under all the noise—even if the way it’s being presented feels a bit extreme. I was looking back at some of the points raised by Elizabeth Jackson, and while her perspective is certainly intense, it makes you wonder if we aren't just scratching the surface of what's actually happening. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it feels like there’s a disconnect between what the mainstream media tells us and what a lot of people are seeing with their own eyes. It’s easy to dismiss these ideas as pure speculation, but if you look at the patterns, they don't always align perfectly with the official narrative. Then you have the arguments coming from briskbison55, which are even more provocative. It’s almost as if we're living in two different realities: one where everything is controlled and predictable, and another where things are much more chaotic and potentially manipulated. I guess it depends on how much you trust the institutions that are supposed to be keeping us safe and informed. Personally, I tend to lean toward a healthy dose of skepticism. It’s probably safer to assume that nothing is ever quite as simple as they want us to believe. Perhaps the real issue isn't whether these specific theories are true, but rather why they gain so much traction in the first place. When people feel unheard or misled by the powers that be, they naturally start looking for answers in places that others might call "fringe." It’s a bit of a cycle, really. The more the establishment pushes a single narrative, the more people will push back with something entirely different. I suppose we're all just trying to make sense of a world that feels increasingly unpredictable.
I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at this more objectively. It feels like we’re all getting caught up in the heat of the moment, but if you really sit down and parse through the arguments being made, there’s a significant amount of noise drowning out the actual substance. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to accept every claim as absolute truth without looking at the underlying data. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to feel that when everyone starts shouting at once, the nuance gets lost. It’s easy to fall into these echo chambers where we just validate each other's biases, rather than actually challenging them. I mean, if we want to get anywhere meaningful, we have to be willing to question even our own side. It’s a bit uncomfortable, sure, but isn't that the whole point of having these discussions? I was reading some stuff on Reddit the other day about similar debates happening over in Europe, and it struck me how universal this pattern is. People get passionate, emotions run high, and suddenly the logic becomes secondary to the feeling of being right. It’s a fascinating, if somewhat frustrating, human tendency. I suppose we could try to steer the conversation toward more empirical evidence, though I realize how difficult that can be once people have already dug their heels in. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking about this conversation quite a bit lately, and I feel like we need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how these systems actually function, which leads people to jump to conclusions that don't quite hold up under scrutiny. When you look at the data—really dig into it rather than just skimming the headlines—you start to see the cracks in the mainstream narrative. I mean, I guess it’s easy to get swept up in the immediate reaction, but if we apply a bit of logic, the whole thing starts to look a little different. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to believe that things are rarely as simple as they are presented on the evening news. It’s interesting, really. You have one group of people insisting on a specific outcome, while another group, much like what we see discussed over on Reddit, is pointing out the inconsistencies. I find myself leaning toward the latter. There’s a certain level of skepticism required when dealing with large-scale institutions; otherwise, you risk missing the subtle shifts happening right under your nose. I’m not saying I have all the answers—far from it—but I do think we should be asking more pointed questions. If we aren't questioning the underlying assumptions, then we aren't really participating in a meaningful dialogue, are we? It feels like we're often just reacting to the symptoms rather than addressing the actual cause. Perhaps if we approached this with a bit more nuance, we wouldn't feel so polarized. Just a thought.
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this whole situation, and I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just missing the forest for the trees. It feels like there’s this constant, heavy tension in our discussions lately, almost as if everyone is bracing for an impact that hasn't quite arrived yet. When you look at what people like Elizabeth Jackson are saying, or even follow the threads started by briskbison55, there seems to be this deep-seated suspicion regarding the information being fed to us through mainstream channels. I guess it’s understandable. In an era where trust in major institutions—whether it’s the federal government or big tech companies like Google—is at an all-time low, people naturally start looking for alternative explanations. Maybe that’s just how we’re wired now. I was reading some older arguments on Reddit recently, and it struck me how much of our discourse relies on whether or not we believe certain scientific consensus. If you lean toward the views shared by someone like Mercola, you start seeing patterns everywhere. You begin to question the very air we breathe or the food on our plates. It’s a rabbit hole, really. Once you start questioning the validity of standard medical advice or the motives behind large-scale environmental policies, it’s hard to go back to that simple, unquestioning way of living. Then you have the more intense theories floating around, like the ones concerning Chemtrails or the various agendas discussed by proponents of PROchemtrails. There’s a certain subset of the population that looks up at the sky and doesn't see weather patterns, but rather a coordinated effort of atmospheric manipulation. While I tend to approach these ideas with a fair amount of skepticism, I can't deny that the sheer scale of the anxiety they produce is real. It isn't just "nonsense," as some might dismissively call it; for many, it's a fundamental distrust of power itself. It’s a bit of a mess, isn't it? We’re caught between a desire for empirical, peer-reviewed certainty and a growing feeling that the "experts" might be hiding something significant. I don't have the answers, and I certainly don't want to claim I do. I think we just need to be careful about which voices we choose to amplify. Whether we're discussing politics in Washington, D.C., or debating the merits of raw food diets, the underlying issue remains the same: who do we actually trust when everything feels so uncertain?

I honestly can't help but wonder if we're all just missing something fundamental here. I was looking back at some of the discussions on Reddit, and it feels like there’s this massive gap between what people are actually experiencing and the official narrative being pushed. It’s almost like we’re living in two different realities. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but when you look at the sheer scale of what’s being discussed regarding things like Chemtrails ii, it seems wild to think that everyone is just collectively oblivious. I mean, I guess it’s possible that most people are just too busy with their own lives to notice, but for those of us who are paying attention, the patterns are becoming harder to ignore. It’s not even about wanting to find conspiracies; it’s more about trying to make sense of the data that's right in front of our eyes. I remember reading an argument from Elizabeth Jackson once where she pointed out how often these "outlier" observations get dismissed as mere coincidence. And while I agree that we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions without evidence, there comes a point where the coincidences start feeling a bit too choreographed, doesn't it? It's a delicate balance—trying to stay grounded in reality while acknowledging that reality might be much stranger than the news anchors would have us believe. I suppose the real question is: at what point does a series of anomalies stop being a fluke and start being a pattern? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we need to keep asking the questions. Otherwise, we're just drifting along, accepting whatever version of the truth is handed to us.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recent discussions regarding the intersection of scientific consensus and the various theories circulating online. It seems like we're constantly navigating this strange gray area where established academic institutions—the kind you'd find at Harvard or Stanford—clash with what people are seeing with their own eyes on platforms like YouTube. It’s an interesting tension, isn't it? On one hand, you have the official narrative provided by mainstream medical bodies, and on the other, you have voices like Mercola or even the controversial findings associated with Wakefield that continue to spark intense debate. I suppose it’s easy to feel like there's a massive disconnect between what the government tells us and the lived experiences of individuals who are looking deeper into things like Chemtrails or environmental shifts. Maybe I’m being too cautious, but I often find myself wondering if we're truly getting the full picture. There’s a certain level of skepticism that feels almost necessary nowadays. When you look at how information is filtered through major media conglomerates, it makes sense why people would turn to alternative perspectives to find what they consider the truth. It’s not necessarily about rejecting science, but perhaps about questioning who controls the lens through which we view it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the line between "fringe" and "fact" is much more porous than most people care to admit. It's a messy, complicated landscape, and I don't think there are any simple answers.

Unlike her, Carol Lopez23 seemed more interested in keeping the argument going.

Or perhaps he would only bother to react once someone with a different perspective finally posted something that didn't fit neatly into his established patterns of thought.

There were times when he even found himself siding with those who went out of their way to insult anyone with a different opinion:
I was looking back through some of the older discussions on Reddit, and I stumbled upon this particular thread. It’s interesting how certain topics just refuse to stay buried, isn't it? Looking at the points being made here, I feel like we need to take a step back and look at the broader implications. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate back-and-forth, but if you really dig into the underlying logic—or lack thereof—there’s a much larger pattern emerging. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't just take these claims at face value. There seems to be a significant amount of nuance being missed by most of the people jumping into the fray. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I suspect there's more to the story than what's being presented on the surface. It feels like we're circling the same arguments without ever actually addressing the core issue. It's almost as if everyone is talking past one another rather than engaging with the actual substance of the debate. I find myself wondering if anyone is truly listening, or if we're all just waiting for our turn to speak. Regardless, it's worth keeping an eye on how this evolves.

It’s happened quite often that even some of our most regular and active contributors have stepped up to make it crystal clear: the situation surrounding this topic has officially spiraled completely out of control.

Here is how Carol Lopez23 reacted:
I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and I have to say, some of the arguments being thrown around here are truly mind-boggling. It feels like we’re drifting further and further away from any kind of grounded reality. I was reading through some of the points made by Elizabeth Jackson, and honestly, I find myself questioning how we even get to this point of discourse. It seems like there’s a massive disconnect between what people claim to know and the actual evidence available to us. Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but it feels like a lot of these theories are built on incredibly shaky foundations. Then you look at the comments from briskbison55, and it’s almost like we're speaking different languages. There’s this tendency to jump to these wild conclusions without stopping to ask if there's a simpler explanation right in front of our eyes. I guess it’s easy to get swept up in a narrative when it feels like everything is connected, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Even looking at what Carol Lopez23 mentioned—it really makes me wonder about the influence of certain echo chambers online. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to separate genuine inquiry from what feels like organized misinformation. I mean, I try to keep an open mind, I really do, but at some point, you have to draw a line between curiosity and pure speculation. It’s a strange time to be searching for truth, isn't it? It feels like every time you think you've found a solid footing, someone comes along and pulls the rug out from under you with a new, even more outlandish theory. I suppose we'll just have to see which way the wind blows.

KLEOPATRA is back at it again, making comments about how rules should be bent:

And also:

I’m Marec, and I’ve been a dedicated member here for quite some time, bringing years of actual, hands-on experience with this kind of diet to the table:

I am fairly certain—and I can say this with a high degree of confidence regarding many others as well—that these specific members have just walked away from this thread because of exactly this kind of moderation.

If the recent wave of trolling, insults, and off-topic nonsense has truly spiraled out of control and crossed every reasonable line, I suppose this recent incident serves as the perfect evidence. Ryan Gomez4's statement It’s pretty obvious she really gets what’s going on here. You can tell she’s fully aware of how this topic is constantly being shut down and obstructed. Honestly, you can almost feel her desperation—that sense of feeling completely powerless to actually change anything, like she's just reached her absolute limit with all of it.

After seeing that, I felt compelled to step in and offer my own take on the situation. Ideas for improving how this forum functions..
Carol Lopez23 used some pretty vulgar and uncivil language to make it crystal clear that they're essentially trying to strip away the rights of anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them.

I am well aware of how things work around here on Reddit. I fully recognize that everyone has every right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe a moderator’s role isn't to act as a judge—it shouldn't be their job to decide from their own personal standpoint whether someone else's opinion is nonsense, foolishness, or just plain stupidity. Their actual responsibility is simply to moderate according to the established community guidelines.

The controversial posts I’ve listed here... In the meantime, I’ve been consistently filing reports over and over again.
Even though quite a few days have passed since these were originally posted—and even though I’ve personally reported them several times, along with many other users who I’m certain have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response. No sanctions, no warnings, no deleted posts... nothing at all. It honestly feels as if there isn't even a moderator on duty here.

However, there certainly was one present back when I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. Those photos featuring the sheep....

There was also that instance where Jason Grant was unfairly handed a red card. Just some fabricated trolling..

Given everything that’s been laid out and explained here, it seems pretty obvious that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and totally subjective, which flies right in the face of many of the standard rules we have here on Reddit.
Because of all this, I’m actually looking into requesting an exemption from the Carol Lopez23 moderator to see if we can finally get this discussion back to a civilized level. My hope is that by doing so, we might steer things toward a more productive path, allowing those who are just here to troll or push fringe theories to either move on or finally find their way back to the actual heart of the topic.

Thanks, and all the best!

Elizabeth Jackson

There is absolutely nothing to dispute here.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
In contrast to her approach, Carol Lopez23 was quite intent on fueling the flames of the argument and keeping the dispute alive.

On this platform, I participate primarily as a fellow community member, and only secondarily as a moderator.
What kind of incitement to conflict are you suggesting? To be perfectly clear, I am simply reiterating questions here for which no one has yet provided a coherent or substantive answer.

Elizabeth Jackson said:...and the continuation...

Just to clarify, I’ve been an active participant in this thread for years now, and I have reported these kinds of inflammatory posts more times than I can count.
Carol Lopez23 didn't get banned. I don't think I've ever actually had a single post of mine reported. I mean, they didn't even bother to give a member like that a warning.
It seems I’m not the only one who has run into this; several other members on Reddit have shared the exact same experience.
If I recall correctly, the only person who ever actually stepped up to hand out a red card for such blatant rule-breaking was Ryan Gomez4.
There were plenty of instances where she didn't actually issue any formal warnings, but after enduring endless trolling, she did step in to caution the more problematic members. I can't help but wonder—wouldn't it be better if we could just get the discussion back to a civilized level?

Here are a few examples like that:
I suppose there’s a certain logic to how people approach this, though I find myself questioning if we’re even looking at the same map. It seems like everyone is trying to connect dots that might not actually be part of the same picture. Maybe I’m being too skeptical, or maybe I’m just seeing the gaps where others see solid lines. When you look at the way these theories circulate on platforms like Reddit, there's this sense of inevitable momentum. People grab onto a single thread and pull until the whole fabric unravels. It’s fascinating, in a way—this collective drive to find an underlying pattern behind everything. But I can't help but wonder if we aren't sometimes just projecting our own need for order onto what is essentially chaos. It’s easy to get swept up in the fervor, especially when the arguments feel so visceral. You see someone posting something that feels like a smoking gun, and suddenly, the entire consensus starts to shift. But I guess it’s worth pausing to ask: are we following the evidence, or are we just following the loudest voice in the room? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we should be careful about how quickly we embrace a narrative just because it feels satisfyingly complete.
I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I honestly feel like we might be overlooking something pretty fundamental here. It seems to me that when people start throwing around these heavy-duty theories, there’s often a grain of truth buried under all the noise—even if the way it’s being presented feels a bit extreme. I was looking back at some of the points raised by Elizabeth Jackson, and while her perspective is certainly intense, it makes you wonder if we aren't just scratching the surface of what's actually happening. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it feels like there’s a disconnect between what the mainstream media tells us and what a lot of people are seeing with their own eyes. It’s easy to dismiss these ideas as pure speculation, but if you look at the patterns, they don't always align perfectly with the official narrative. Then you have the arguments coming from briskbison55, which are even more provocative. It’s almost as if we're living in two different realities: one where everything is controlled and predictable, and another where things are much more chaotic and potentially manipulated. I guess it depends on how much you trust the institutions that are supposed to be keeping us safe and informed. Personally, I tend to lean toward a healthy dose of skepticism. It’s probably safer to assume that nothing is ever quite as simple as they want us to believe. Perhaps the real issue isn't whether these specific theories are true, but rather why they gain so much traction in the first place. When people feel unheard or misled by the powers that be, they naturally start looking for answers in places that others might call "fringe." It’s a bit of a cycle, really. The more the establishment pushes a single narrative, the more people will push back with something entirely different. I suppose we're all just trying to make sense of a world that feels increasingly unpredictable.
I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at this more objectively. It feels like we’re all getting caught up in the heat of the moment, but if you really sit down and parse through the arguments being made, there’s a significant amount of noise drowning out the actual substance. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to accept every claim as absolute truth without looking at the underlying data. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to feel that when everyone starts shouting at once, the nuance gets lost. It’s easy to fall into these echo chambers where we just validate each other's biases, rather than actually challenging them. I mean, if we want to get anywhere meaningful, we have to be willing to question even our own side. It’s a bit uncomfortable, sure, but isn't that the whole point of having these discussions? I was reading some stuff on Reddit the other day about similar debates happening over in Europe, and it struck me how universal this pattern is. People get passionate, emotions run high, and suddenly the logic becomes secondary to the feeling of being right. It’s a fascinating, if somewhat frustrating, human tendency. I suppose we could try to steer the conversation toward more empirical evidence, though I realize how difficult that can be once people have already dug their heels in. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking about this conversation quite a bit lately, and I feel like we need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how these systems actually function, which leads people to jump to conclusions that don't quite hold up under scrutiny. When you look at the data—really dig into it rather than just skimming the headlines—you start to see the cracks in the mainstream narrative. I mean, I guess it’s easy to get swept up in the immediate reaction, but if we apply a bit of logic, the whole thing starts to look a little different. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to believe that things are rarely as simple as they are presented on the evening news. It’s interesting, really. You have one group of people insisting on a specific outcome, while another group, much like what we see discussed over on Reddit, is pointing out the inconsistencies. I find myself leaning toward the latter. There’s a certain level of skepticism required when dealing with large-scale institutions; otherwise, you risk missing the subtle shifts happening right under your nose. I’m not saying I have all the answers—far from it—but I do think we should be asking more pointed questions. If we aren't questioning the underlying assumptions, then we aren't really participating in a meaningful dialogue, are we? It feels like we're often just reacting to the symptoms rather than addressing the actual cause. Perhaps if we approached this with a bit more nuance, we wouldn't feel so polarized. Just a thought.
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this whole situation, and I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just missing the forest for the trees. It feels like there’s this constant, heavy tension in our discussions lately, almost as if everyone is bracing for an impact that hasn't quite arrived yet. When you look at what people like Elizabeth Jackson are saying, or even follow the threads started by briskbison55, there seems to be this deep-seated suspicion regarding the information being fed to us through mainstream channels. I guess it’s understandable. In an era where trust in major institutions—whether it’s the federal government or big tech companies like Google—is at an all-time low, people naturally start looking for alternative explanations. Maybe that’s just how we’re wired now. I was reading some older arguments on Reddit recently, and it struck me how much of our discourse relies on whether or not we believe certain scientific consensus. If you lean toward the views shared by someone like Mercola, you start seeing patterns everywhere. You begin to question the very air we breathe or the food on our plates. It’s a rabbit hole, really. Once you start questioning the validity of standard medical advice or the motives behind large-scale environmental policies, it’s hard to go back to that simple, unquestioning way of living. Then you have the more intense theories floating around, like the ones concerning Chemtrails or the various agendas discussed by proponents of PROchemtrails. There’s a certain subset of the population that looks up at the sky and doesn't see weather patterns, but rather a coordinated effort of atmospheric manipulation. While I tend to approach these ideas with a fair amount of skepticism, I can't deny that the sheer scale of the anxiety they produce is real. It isn't just "nonsense," as some might dismissively call it; for many, it's a fundamental distrust of power itself. It’s a bit of a mess, isn't it? We’re caught between a desire for empirical, peer-reviewed certainty and a growing feeling that the "experts" might be hiding something significant. I don't have the answers, and I certainly don't want to claim I do. I think we just need to be careful about which voices we choose to amplify. Whether we're discussing politics in Washington, D.C., or debating the merits of raw food diets, the underlying issue remains the same: who do we actually trust when everything feels so uncertain?

I honestly can't help but wonder if we're all just missing something fundamental here. I was looking back at some of the discussions on Reddit, and it feels like there’s this massive gap between what people are actually experiencing and the official narrative being pushed. It’s almost like we’re living in two different realities. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but when you look at the sheer scale of what’s being discussed regarding things like Chemtrails ii, it seems wild to think that everyone is just collectively oblivious. I mean, I guess it’s possible that most people are just too busy with their own lives to notice, but for those of us who are paying attention, the patterns are becoming harder to ignore. It’s not even about wanting to find conspiracies; it’s more about trying to make sense of the data that's right in front of our eyes. I remember reading an argument from Elizabeth Jackson once where she pointed out how often these "outlier" observations get dismissed as mere coincidence. And while I agree that we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions without evidence, there comes a point where the coincidences start feeling a bit too choreographed, doesn't it? It's a delicate balance—trying to stay grounded in reality while acknowledging that reality might be much stranger than the news anchors would have us believe. I suppose the real question is: at what point does a series of anomalies stop being a fluke and start being a pattern? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we need to keep asking the questions. Otherwise, we're just drifting along, accepting whatever version of the truth is handed to us.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recent discussions regarding the intersection of scientific consensus and the various theories circulating online. It seems like we're constantly navigating this strange gray area where established academic institutions—the kind you'd find at Harvard or Stanford—clash with what people are seeing with their own eyes on platforms like YouTube. It’s an interesting tension, isn't it? On one hand, you have the official narrative provided by mainstream medical bodies, and on the other, you have voices like Mercola or even the controversial findings associated with Wakefield that continue to spark intense debate. I suppose it’s easy to feel like there's a massive disconnect between what the government tells us and the lived experiences of individuals who are looking deeper into things like Chemtrails or environmental shifts. Maybe I’m being too cautious, but I often find myself wondering if we're truly getting the full picture. There’s a certain level of skepticism that feels almost necessary nowadays. When you look at how information is filtered through major media conglomerates, it makes sense why people would turn to alternative perspectives to find what they consider the truth. It’s not necessarily about rejecting science, but perhaps about questioning who controls the lens through which we view it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the line between "fringe" and "fact" is much more porous than most people care to admit. It's a messy, complicated landscape, and I don't think there are any simple answers.

Unlike her, Carol Lopez23 seemed more interested in keeping the argument going.

Or perhaps he would only bother to react once someone with a different perspective finally posted something that didn't fit neatly into his established patterns of thought.

There were times when he even found himself siding with those who went out of their way to insult anyone with a different opinion:
I was looking back through some of the older discussions on Reddit, and I stumbled upon this particular thread. It’s interesting how certain topics just refuse to stay buried, isn't it? Looking at the points being made here, I feel like we need to take a step back and look at the broader implications. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate back-and-forth, but if you really dig into the underlying logic—or lack thereof—there’s a much larger pattern emerging. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't just take these claims at face value. There seems to be a significant amount of nuance being missed by most of the people jumping into the fray. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I suspect there's more to the story than what's being presented on the surface. It feels like we're circling the same arguments without ever actually addressing the core issue. It's almost as if everyone is talking past one another rather than engaging with the actual substance of the debate. I find myself wondering if anyone is truly listening, or if we're all just waiting for our turn to speak. Regardless, it's worth keeping an eye on how this evolves.

It’s happened quite often that even some of our most regular and active contributors have stepped up to make it crystal clear: the situation surrounding this topic has officially spiraled completely out of control.

Here is how Carol Lopez23 reacted:
I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and I have to say, some of the arguments being thrown around here are truly mind-boggling. It feels like we’re drifting further and further away from any kind of grounded reality. I was reading through some of the points made by Elizabeth Jackson, and honestly, I find myself questioning how we even get to this point of discourse. It seems like there’s a massive disconnect between what people claim to know and the actual evidence available to us. Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but it feels like a lot of these theories are built on incredibly shaky foundations. Then you look at the comments from briskbison55, and it’s almost like we're speaking different languages. There’s this tendency to jump to these wild conclusions without stopping to ask if there's a simpler explanation right in front of our eyes. I guess it’s easy to get swept up in a narrative when it feels like everything is connected, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Even looking at what Carol Lopez23 mentioned—it really makes me wonder about the influence of certain echo chambers online. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to separate genuine inquiry from what feels like organized misinformation. I mean, I try to keep an open mind, I really do, but at some point, you have to draw a line between curiosity and pure speculation. It’s a strange time to be searching for truth, isn't it? It feels like every time you think you've found a solid footing, someone comes along and pulls the rug out from under you with a new, even more outlandish theory. I suppose we'll just have to see which way the wind blows.

KLEOPATRA is back at it again, making comments about how rules should be bent:

And also:

I’m Marec, and I’ve been a dedicated member here for quite some time, bringing years of actual, hands-on experience with this kind of diet to the table:

I am fairly certain—and I can say this with a high degree of confidence regarding many others as well—that these specific members have just walked away from this thread because of exactly this kind of moderation.

If the recent wave of trolling, insults, and off-topic nonsense has truly spiraled out of control and crossed every reasonable line, I suppose this recent incident serves as the perfect evidence. Ryan Gomez4's statement It’s pretty obvious she really gets what’s going on here. You can tell she’s fully aware of how this topic is constantly being shut down and obstructed. Honestly, you can almost feel her desperation—that sense of feeling completely powerless to actually change anything, like she's just reached her absolute limit with all of it.

After seeing that, I felt compelled to step in and offer my own take on the situation. Ideas for improving how this forum functions..
Carol Lopez23 used some pretty vulgar and uncivil language to make it crystal clear that they're essentially trying to strip away the rights of anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them.

I am well aware of how things work around here on Reddit. I fully recognize that everyone has every right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe a moderator’s role isn't to act as a judge—it shouldn't be their job to decide from their own personal standpoint whether someone else's opinion is nonsense, foolishness, or just plain stupidity. Their actual responsibility is simply to moderate according to the established community guidelines.

The controversial posts I’ve listed here... In the meantime, I’ve been consistently filing reports over and over again.
Even though quite a few days have passed since these were originally posted—and even though I’ve personally reported them several times, along with many other users who I’m certain have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response. No sanctions, no warnings, no deleted posts... nothing at all. It honestly feels as if there isn't even a moderator on duty here.

However, there certainly was one present back when I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. Those photos featuring the sheep....

There was also that instance where Jason Grant was unfairly handed a red card. Just some fabricated trolling..

Given everything that’s been laid out and explained here, it seems pretty obvious that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and totally subjective, which flies right in the face of many of the standard rules we have here on Reddit.
Because of all this, I’m actually looking into requesting an exemption from the Carol Lopez23 moderator to see if we can finally get this discussion back to a civilized level. My hope is that by doing so, we might steer things toward a more productive path, allowing those who are just here to troll or push fringe theories to either move on or finally find their way back to the actual heart of the topic.

Thanks, and all the best!

Elizabeth Jackson

Let us attempt to provide some context again (while once more emphasizing that I am writing first and foremost as a regular user)—if we set aside my professional background and rely solely on common sense, an individual claiming that menstruation is unnecessary and merely a result of toxins accumulating in the body is, at the very least, unfamiliar with the fundamental principles of biology. In such a case, we aren't just talking about a mere "mental framework." Do you see what I mean?

Elizabeth Jackson said:...and the continuation...

Just to clarify, I’ve been an active participant in this thread for years now, and I have reported these kinds of inflammatory posts more times than I can count.
Carol Lopez23 didn't get banned. I don't think I've ever actually had a single post of mine reported. I mean, they didn't even bother to give a member like that a warning.
It seems I’m not the only one who has run into this; several other members on Reddit have shared the exact same experience.
If I recall correctly, the only person who ever actually stepped up to hand out a red card for such blatant rule-breaking was Ryan Gomez4.
There were plenty of instances where she didn't actually issue any formal warnings, but after enduring endless trolling, she did step in to caution the more problematic members. I can't help but wonder—wouldn't it be better if we could just get the discussion back to a civilized level?

Here are a few examples like that:
I suppose there’s a certain logic to how people approach this, though I find myself questioning if we’re even looking at the same map. It seems like everyone is trying to connect dots that might not actually be part of the same picture. Maybe I’m being too skeptical, or maybe I’m just seeing the gaps where others see solid lines. When you look at the way these theories circulate on platforms like Reddit, there's this sense of inevitable momentum. People grab onto a single thread and pull until the whole fabric unravels. It’s fascinating, in a way—this collective drive to find an underlying pattern behind everything. But I can't help but wonder if we aren't sometimes just projecting our own need for order onto what is essentially chaos. It’s easy to get swept up in the fervor, especially when the arguments feel so visceral. You see someone posting something that feels like a smoking gun, and suddenly, the entire consensus starts to shift. But I guess it’s worth pausing to ask: are we following the evidence, or are we just following the loudest voice in the room? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we should be careful about how quickly we embrace a narrative just because it feels satisfyingly complete.
I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I honestly feel like we might be overlooking something pretty fundamental here. It seems to me that when people start throwing around these heavy-duty theories, there’s often a grain of truth buried under all the noise—even if the way it’s being presented feels a bit extreme. I was looking back at some of the points raised by Elizabeth Jackson, and while her perspective is certainly intense, it makes you wonder if we aren't just scratching the surface of what's actually happening. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it feels like there’s a disconnect between what the mainstream media tells us and what a lot of people are seeing with their own eyes. It’s easy to dismiss these ideas as pure speculation, but if you look at the patterns, they don't always align perfectly with the official narrative. Then you have the arguments coming from briskbison55, which are even more provocative. It’s almost as if we're living in two different realities: one where everything is controlled and predictable, and another where things are much more chaotic and potentially manipulated. I guess it depends on how much you trust the institutions that are supposed to be keeping us safe and informed. Personally, I tend to lean toward a healthy dose of skepticism. It’s probably safer to assume that nothing is ever quite as simple as they want us to believe. Perhaps the real issue isn't whether these specific theories are true, but rather why they gain so much traction in the first place. When people feel unheard or misled by the powers that be, they naturally start looking for answers in places that others might call "fringe." It’s a bit of a cycle, really. The more the establishment pushes a single narrative, the more people will push back with something entirely different. I suppose we're all just trying to make sense of a world that feels increasingly unpredictable.
I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at this more objectively. It feels like we’re all getting caught up in the heat of the moment, but if you really sit down and parse through the arguments being made, there’s a significant amount of noise drowning out the actual substance. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to accept every claim as absolute truth without looking at the underlying data. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to feel that when everyone starts shouting at once, the nuance gets lost. It’s easy to fall into these echo chambers where we just validate each other's biases, rather than actually challenging them. I mean, if we want to get anywhere meaningful, we have to be willing to question even our own side. It’s a bit uncomfortable, sure, but isn't that the whole point of having these discussions? I was reading some stuff on Reddit the other day about similar debates happening over in Europe, and it struck me how universal this pattern is. People get passionate, emotions run high, and suddenly the logic becomes secondary to the feeling of being right. It’s a fascinating, if somewhat frustrating, human tendency. I suppose we could try to steer the conversation toward more empirical evidence, though I realize how difficult that can be once people have already dug their heels in. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking about this conversation quite a bit lately, and I feel like we need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how these systems actually function, which leads people to jump to conclusions that don't quite hold up under scrutiny. When you look at the data—really dig into it rather than just skimming the headlines—you start to see the cracks in the mainstream narrative. I mean, I guess it’s easy to get swept up in the immediate reaction, but if we apply a bit of logic, the whole thing starts to look a little different. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to believe that things are rarely as simple as they are presented on the evening news. It’s interesting, really. You have one group of people insisting on a specific outcome, while another group, much like what we see discussed over on Reddit, is pointing out the inconsistencies. I find myself leaning toward the latter. There’s a certain level of skepticism required when dealing with large-scale institutions; otherwise, you risk missing the subtle shifts happening right under your nose. I’m not saying I have all the answers—far from it—but I do think we should be asking more pointed questions. If we aren't questioning the underlying assumptions, then we aren't really participating in a meaningful dialogue, are we? It feels like we're often just reacting to the symptoms rather than addressing the actual cause. Perhaps if we approached this with a bit more nuance, we wouldn't feel so polarized. Just a thought.
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this whole situation, and I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just missing the forest for the trees. It feels like there’s this constant, heavy tension in our discussions lately, almost as if everyone is bracing for an impact that hasn't quite arrived yet. When you look at what people like Elizabeth Jackson are saying, or even follow the threads started by briskbison55, there seems to be this deep-seated suspicion regarding the information being fed to us through mainstream channels. I guess it’s understandable. In an era where trust in major institutions—whether it’s the federal government or big tech companies like Google—is at an all-time low, people naturally start looking for alternative explanations. Maybe that’s just how we’re wired now. I was reading some older arguments on Reddit recently, and it struck me how much of our discourse relies on whether or not we believe certain scientific consensus. If you lean toward the views shared by someone like Mercola, you start seeing patterns everywhere. You begin to question the very air we breathe or the food on our plates. It’s a rabbit hole, really. Once you start questioning the validity of standard medical advice or the motives behind large-scale environmental policies, it’s hard to go back to that simple, unquestioning way of living. Then you have the more intense theories floating around, like the ones concerning Chemtrails or the various agendas discussed by proponents of PROchemtrails. There’s a certain subset of the population that looks up at the sky and doesn't see weather patterns, but rather a coordinated effort of atmospheric manipulation. While I tend to approach these ideas with a fair amount of skepticism, I can't deny that the sheer scale of the anxiety they produce is real. It isn't just "nonsense," as some might dismissively call it; for many, it's a fundamental distrust of power itself. It’s a bit of a mess, isn't it? We’re caught between a desire for empirical, peer-reviewed certainty and a growing feeling that the "experts" might be hiding something significant. I don't have the answers, and I certainly don't want to claim I do. I think we just need to be careful about which voices we choose to amplify. Whether we're discussing politics in Washington, D.C., or debating the merits of raw food diets, the underlying issue remains the same: who do we actually trust when everything feels so uncertain?

I honestly can't help but wonder if we're all just missing something fundamental here. I was looking back at some of the discussions on Reddit, and it feels like there’s this massive gap between what people are actually experiencing and the official narrative being pushed. It’s almost like we’re living in two different realities. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but when you look at the sheer scale of what’s being discussed regarding things like Chemtrails ii, it seems wild to think that everyone is just collectively oblivious. I mean, I guess it’s possible that most people are just too busy with their own lives to notice, but for those of us who are paying attention, the patterns are becoming harder to ignore. It’s not even about wanting to find conspiracies; it’s more about trying to make sense of the data that's right in front of our eyes. I remember reading an argument from Elizabeth Jackson once where she pointed out how often these "outlier" observations get dismissed as mere coincidence. And while I agree that we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions without evidence, there comes a point where the coincidences start feeling a bit too choreographed, doesn't it? It's a delicate balance—trying to stay grounded in reality while acknowledging that reality might be much stranger than the news anchors would have us believe. I suppose the real question is: at what point does a series of anomalies stop being a fluke and start being a pattern? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we need to keep asking the questions. Otherwise, we're just drifting along, accepting whatever version of the truth is handed to us.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recent discussions regarding the intersection of scientific consensus and the various theories circulating online. It seems like we're constantly navigating this strange gray area where established academic institutions—the kind you'd find at Harvard or Stanford—clash with what people are seeing with their own eyes on platforms like YouTube. It’s an interesting tension, isn't it? On one hand, you have the official narrative provided by mainstream medical bodies, and on the other, you have voices like Mercola or even the controversial findings associated with Wakefield that continue to spark intense debate. I suppose it’s easy to feel like there's a massive disconnect between what the government tells us and the lived experiences of individuals who are looking deeper into things like Chemtrails or environmental shifts. Maybe I’m being too cautious, but I often find myself wondering if we're truly getting the full picture. There’s a certain level of skepticism that feels almost necessary nowadays. When you look at how information is filtered through major media conglomerates, it makes sense why people would turn to alternative perspectives to find what they consider the truth. It’s not necessarily about rejecting science, but perhaps about questioning who controls the lens through which we view it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the line between "fringe" and "fact" is much more porous than most people care to admit. It's a messy, complicated landscape, and I don't think there are any simple answers.

Unlike her, Carol Lopez23 seemed more interested in keeping the argument going.

Or perhaps he would only bother to react once someone with a different perspective finally posted something that didn't fit neatly into his established patterns of thought.

There were times when he even found himself siding with those who went out of their way to insult anyone with a different opinion:
I was looking back through some of the older discussions on Reddit, and I stumbled upon this particular thread. It’s interesting how certain topics just refuse to stay buried, isn't it? Looking at the points being made here, I feel like we need to take a step back and look at the broader implications. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate back-and-forth, but if you really dig into the underlying logic—or lack thereof—there’s a much larger pattern emerging. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't just take these claims at face value. There seems to be a significant amount of nuance being missed by most of the people jumping into the fray. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I suspect there's more to the story than what's being presented on the surface. It feels like we're circling the same arguments without ever actually addressing the core issue. It's almost as if everyone is talking past one another rather than engaging with the actual substance of the debate. I find myself wondering if anyone is truly listening, or if we're all just waiting for our turn to speak. Regardless, it's worth keeping an eye on how this evolves.

It’s happened quite often that even some of our most regular and active contributors have stepped up to make it crystal clear: the situation surrounding this topic has officially spiraled completely out of control.

Here is how Carol Lopez23 reacted:
I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and I have to say, some of the arguments being thrown around here are truly mind-boggling. It feels like we’re drifting further and further away from any kind of grounded reality. I was reading through some of the points made by Elizabeth Jackson, and honestly, I find myself questioning how we even get to this point of discourse. It seems like there’s a massive disconnect between what people claim to know and the actual evidence available to us. Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but it feels like a lot of these theories are built on incredibly shaky foundations. Then you look at the comments from briskbison55, and it’s almost like we're speaking different languages. There’s this tendency to jump to these wild conclusions without stopping to ask if there's a simpler explanation right in front of our eyes. I guess it’s easy to get swept up in a narrative when it feels like everything is connected, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Even looking at what Carol Lopez23 mentioned—it really makes me wonder about the influence of certain echo chambers online. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to separate genuine inquiry from what feels like organized misinformation. I mean, I try to keep an open mind, I really do, but at some point, you have to draw a line between curiosity and pure speculation. It’s a strange time to be searching for truth, isn't it? It feels like every time you think you've found a solid footing, someone comes along and pulls the rug out from under you with a new, even more outlandish theory. I suppose we'll just have to see which way the wind blows.

KLEOPATRA is back at it again, making comments about how rules should be bent:

And also:

I’m Marec, and I’ve been a dedicated member here for quite some time, bringing years of actual, hands-on experience with this kind of diet to the table:

I am fairly certain—and I can say this with a high degree of confidence regarding many others as well—that these specific members have just walked away from this thread because of exactly this kind of moderation.

If the recent wave of trolling, insults, and off-topic nonsense has truly spiraled out of control and crossed every reasonable line, I suppose this recent incident serves as the perfect evidence. Ryan Gomez4's statement It’s pretty obvious she really gets what’s going on here. You can tell she’s fully aware of how this topic is constantly being shut down and obstructed. Honestly, you can almost feel her desperation—that sense of feeling completely powerless to actually change anything, like she's just reached her absolute limit with all of it.

After seeing that, I felt compelled to step in and offer my own take on the situation. Ideas for improving how this forum functions..
Carol Lopez23 used some pretty vulgar and uncivil language to make it crystal clear that they're essentially trying to strip away the rights of anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them.

I am well aware of how things work around here on Reddit. I fully recognize that everyone has every right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe a moderator’s role isn't to act as a judge—it shouldn't be their job to decide from their own personal standpoint whether someone else's opinion is nonsense, foolishness, or just plain stupidity. Their actual responsibility is simply to moderate according to the established community guidelines.

The controversial posts I’ve listed here... In the meantime, I’ve been consistently filing reports over and over again.
Even though quite a few days have passed since these were originally posted—and even though I’ve personally reported them several times, along with many other users who I’m certain have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response. No sanctions, no warnings, no deleted posts... nothing at all. It honestly feels as if there isn't even a moderator on duty here.

However, there certainly was one present back when I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. Those photos featuring the sheep....

There was also that instance where Jason Grant was unfairly handed a red card. Just some fabricated trolling..

Given everything that’s been laid out and explained here, it seems pretty obvious that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and totally subjective, which flies right in the face of many of the standard rules we have here on Reddit.
Because of all this, I’m actually looking into requesting an exemption from the Carol Lopez23 moderator to see if we can finally get this discussion back to a civilized level. My hope is that by doing so, we might steer things toward a more productive path, allowing those who are just here to troll or push fringe theories to either move on or finally find their way back to the actual heart of the topic.

Thanks, and all the best!

Elizabeth Jackson

Do I really need to repeat that exact same sentiment here?

Elizabeth Jackson said:...and the continuation...

Just to clarify, I’ve been an active participant in this thread for years now, and I have reported these kinds of inflammatory posts more times than I can count.
Carol Lopez23 didn't get banned. I don't think I've ever actually had a single post of mine reported. I mean, they didn't even bother to give a member like that a warning.
It seems I’m not the only one who has run into this; several other members on Reddit have shared the exact same experience.
If I recall correctly, the only person who ever actually stepped up to hand out a red card for such blatant rule-breaking was Ryan Gomez4.
There were plenty of instances where she didn't actually issue any formal warnings, but after enduring endless trolling, she did step in to caution the more problematic members. I can't help but wonder—wouldn't it be better if we could just get the discussion back to a civilized level?

Here are a few examples like that:
I suppose there’s a certain logic to how people approach this, though I find myself questioning if we’re even looking at the same map. It seems like everyone is trying to connect dots that might not actually be part of the same picture. Maybe I’m being too skeptical, or maybe I’m just seeing the gaps where others see solid lines. When you look at the way these theories circulate on platforms like Reddit, there's this sense of inevitable momentum. People grab onto a single thread and pull until the whole fabric unravels. It’s fascinating, in a way—this collective drive to find an underlying pattern behind everything. But I can't help but wonder if we aren't sometimes just projecting our own need for order onto what is essentially chaos. It’s easy to get swept up in the fervor, especially when the arguments feel so visceral. You see someone posting something that feels like a smoking gun, and suddenly, the entire consensus starts to shift. But I guess it’s worth pausing to ask: are we following the evidence, or are we just following the loudest voice in the room? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we should be careful about how quickly we embrace a narrative just because it feels satisfyingly complete.
I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I honestly feel like we might be overlooking something pretty fundamental here. It seems to me that when people start throwing around these heavy-duty theories, there’s often a grain of truth buried under all the noise—even if the way it’s being presented feels a bit extreme. I was looking back at some of the points raised by Elizabeth Jackson, and while her perspective is certainly intense, it makes you wonder if we aren't just scratching the surface of what's actually happening. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it feels like there’s a disconnect between what the mainstream media tells us and what a lot of people are seeing with their own eyes. It’s easy to dismiss these ideas as pure speculation, but if you look at the patterns, they don't always align perfectly with the official narrative. Then you have the arguments coming from briskbison55, which are even more provocative. It’s almost as if we're living in two different realities: one where everything is controlled and predictable, and another where things are much more chaotic and potentially manipulated. I guess it depends on how much you trust the institutions that are supposed to be keeping us safe and informed. Personally, I tend to lean toward a healthy dose of skepticism. It’s probably safer to assume that nothing is ever quite as simple as they want us to believe. Perhaps the real issue isn't whether these specific theories are true, but rather why they gain so much traction in the first place. When people feel unheard or misled by the powers that be, they naturally start looking for answers in places that others might call "fringe." It’s a bit of a cycle, really. The more the establishment pushes a single narrative, the more people will push back with something entirely different. I suppose we're all just trying to make sense of a world that feels increasingly unpredictable.
I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at this more objectively. It feels like we’re all getting caught up in the heat of the moment, but if you really sit down and parse through the arguments being made, there’s a significant amount of noise drowning out the actual substance. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to accept every claim as absolute truth without looking at the underlying data. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to feel that when everyone starts shouting at once, the nuance gets lost. It’s easy to fall into these echo chambers where we just validate each other's biases, rather than actually challenging them. I mean, if we want to get anywhere meaningful, we have to be willing to question even our own side. It’s a bit uncomfortable, sure, but isn't that the whole point of having these discussions? I was reading some stuff on Reddit the other day about similar debates happening over in Europe, and it struck me how universal this pattern is. People get passionate, emotions run high, and suddenly the logic becomes secondary to the feeling of being right. It’s a fascinating, if somewhat frustrating, human tendency. I suppose we could try to steer the conversation toward more empirical evidence, though I realize how difficult that can be once people have already dug their heels in. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking about this conversation quite a bit lately, and I feel like we need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how these systems actually function, which leads people to jump to conclusions that don't quite hold up under scrutiny. When you look at the data—really dig into it rather than just skimming the headlines—you start to see the cracks in the mainstream narrative. I mean, I guess it’s easy to get swept up in the immediate reaction, but if we apply a bit of logic, the whole thing starts to look a little different. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to believe that things are rarely as simple as they are presented on the evening news. It’s interesting, really. You have one group of people insisting on a specific outcome, while another group, much like what we see discussed over on Reddit, is pointing out the inconsistencies. I find myself leaning toward the latter. There’s a certain level of skepticism required when dealing with large-scale institutions; otherwise, you risk missing the subtle shifts happening right under your nose. I’m not saying I have all the answers—far from it—but I do think we should be asking more pointed questions. If we aren't questioning the underlying assumptions, then we aren't really participating in a meaningful dialogue, are we? It feels like we're often just reacting to the symptoms rather than addressing the actual cause. Perhaps if we approached this with a bit more nuance, we wouldn't feel so polarized. Just a thought.
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this whole situation, and I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just missing the forest for the trees. It feels like there’s this constant, heavy tension in our discussions lately, almost as if everyone is bracing for an impact that hasn't quite arrived yet. When you look at what people like Elizabeth Jackson are saying, or even follow the threads started by briskbison55, there seems to be this deep-seated suspicion regarding the information being fed to us through mainstream channels. I guess it’s understandable. In an era where trust in major institutions—whether it’s the federal government or big tech companies like Google—is at an all-time low, people naturally start looking for alternative explanations. Maybe that’s just how we’re wired now. I was reading some older arguments on Reddit recently, and it struck me how much of our discourse relies on whether or not we believe certain scientific consensus. If you lean toward the views shared by someone like Mercola, you start seeing patterns everywhere. You begin to question the very air we breathe or the food on our plates. It’s a rabbit hole, really. Once you start questioning the validity of standard medical advice or the motives behind large-scale environmental policies, it’s hard to go back to that simple, unquestioning way of living. Then you have the more intense theories floating around, like the ones concerning Chemtrails or the various agendas discussed by proponents of PROchemtrails. There’s a certain subset of the population that looks up at the sky and doesn't see weather patterns, but rather a coordinated effort of atmospheric manipulation. While I tend to approach these ideas with a fair amount of skepticism, I can't deny that the sheer scale of the anxiety they produce is real. It isn't just "nonsense," as some might dismissively call it; for many, it's a fundamental distrust of power itself. It’s a bit of a mess, isn't it? We’re caught between a desire for empirical, peer-reviewed certainty and a growing feeling that the "experts" might be hiding something significant. I don't have the answers, and I certainly don't want to claim I do. I think we just need to be careful about which voices we choose to amplify. Whether we're discussing politics in Washington, D.C., or debating the merits of raw food diets, the underlying issue remains the same: who do we actually trust when everything feels so uncertain?

I honestly can't help but wonder if we're all just missing something fundamental here. I was looking back at some of the discussions on Reddit, and it feels like there’s this massive gap between what people are actually experiencing and the official narrative being pushed. It’s almost like we’re living in two different realities. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but when you look at the sheer scale of what’s being discussed regarding things like Chemtrails ii, it seems wild to think that everyone is just collectively oblivious. I mean, I guess it’s possible that most people are just too busy with their own lives to notice, but for those of us who are paying attention, the patterns are becoming harder to ignore. It’s not even about wanting to find conspiracies; it’s more about trying to make sense of the data that's right in front of our eyes. I remember reading an argument from Elizabeth Jackson once where she pointed out how often these "outlier" observations get dismissed as mere coincidence. And while I agree that we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions without evidence, there comes a point where the coincidences start feeling a bit too choreographed, doesn't it? It's a delicate balance—trying to stay grounded in reality while acknowledging that reality might be much stranger than the news anchors would have us believe. I suppose the real question is: at what point does a series of anomalies stop being a fluke and start being a pattern? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we need to keep asking the questions. Otherwise, we're just drifting along, accepting whatever version of the truth is handed to us.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recent discussions regarding the intersection of scientific consensus and the various theories circulating online. It seems like we're constantly navigating this strange gray area where established academic institutions—the kind you'd find at Harvard or Stanford—clash with what people are seeing with their own eyes on platforms like YouTube. It’s an interesting tension, isn't it? On one hand, you have the official narrative provided by mainstream medical bodies, and on the other, you have voices like Mercola or even the controversial findings associated with Wakefield that continue to spark intense debate. I suppose it’s easy to feel like there's a massive disconnect between what the government tells us and the lived experiences of individuals who are looking deeper into things like Chemtrails or environmental shifts. Maybe I’m being too cautious, but I often find myself wondering if we're truly getting the full picture. There’s a certain level of skepticism that feels almost necessary nowadays. When you look at how information is filtered through major media conglomerates, it makes sense why people would turn to alternative perspectives to find what they consider the truth. It’s not necessarily about rejecting science, but perhaps about questioning who controls the lens through which we view it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the line between "fringe" and "fact" is much more porous than most people care to admit. It's a messy, complicated landscape, and I don't think there are any simple answers.

Unlike her, Carol Lopez23 seemed more interested in keeping the argument going.

Or perhaps he would only bother to react once someone with a different perspective finally posted something that didn't fit neatly into his established patterns of thought.

There were times when he even found himself siding with those who went out of their way to insult anyone with a different opinion:
I was looking back through some of the older discussions on Reddit, and I stumbled upon this particular thread. It’s interesting how certain topics just refuse to stay buried, isn't it? Looking at the points being made here, I feel like we need to take a step back and look at the broader implications. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate back-and-forth, but if you really dig into the underlying logic—or lack thereof—there’s a much larger pattern emerging. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't just take these claims at face value. There seems to be a significant amount of nuance being missed by most of the people jumping into the fray. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I suspect there's more to the story than what's being presented on the surface. It feels like we're circling the same arguments without ever actually addressing the core issue. It's almost as if everyone is talking past one another rather than engaging with the actual substance of the debate. I find myself wondering if anyone is truly listening, or if we're all just waiting for our turn to speak. Regardless, it's worth keeping an eye on how this evolves.

It’s happened quite often that even some of our most regular and active contributors have stepped up to make it crystal clear: the situation surrounding this topic has officially spiraled completely out of control.

Here is how Carol Lopez23 reacted:
I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and I have to say, some of the arguments being thrown around here are truly mind-boggling. It feels like we’re drifting further and further away from any kind of grounded reality. I was reading through some of the points made by Elizabeth Jackson, and honestly, I find myself questioning how we even get to this point of discourse. It seems like there’s a massive disconnect between what people claim to know and the actual evidence available to us. Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but it feels like a lot of these theories are built on incredibly shaky foundations. Then you look at the comments from briskbison55, and it’s almost like we're speaking different languages. There’s this tendency to jump to these wild conclusions without stopping to ask if there's a simpler explanation right in front of our eyes. I guess it’s easy to get swept up in a narrative when it feels like everything is connected, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Even looking at what Carol Lopez23 mentioned—it really makes me wonder about the influence of certain echo chambers online. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to separate genuine inquiry from what feels like organized misinformation. I mean, I try to keep an open mind, I really do, but at some point, you have to draw a line between curiosity and pure speculation. It’s a strange time to be searching for truth, isn't it? It feels like every time you think you've found a solid footing, someone comes along and pulls the rug out from under you with a new, even more outlandish theory. I suppose we'll just have to see which way the wind blows.

KLEOPATRA is back at it again, making comments about how rules should be bent:

And also:

I’m Marec, and I’ve been a dedicated member here for quite some time, bringing years of actual, hands-on experience with this kind of diet to the table:

I am fairly certain—and I can say this with a high degree of confidence regarding many others as well—that these specific members have just walked away from this thread because of exactly this kind of moderation.

If the recent wave of trolling, insults, and off-topic nonsense has truly spiraled out of control and crossed every reasonable line, I suppose this recent incident serves as the perfect evidence. Ryan Gomez4's statement It’s pretty obvious she really gets what’s going on here. You can tell she’s fully aware of how this topic is constantly being shut down and obstructed. Honestly, you can almost feel her desperation—that sense of feeling completely powerless to actually change anything, like she's just reached her absolute limit with all of it.

After seeing that, I felt compelled to step in and offer my own take on the situation. Ideas for improving how this forum functions..
Carol Lopez23 used some pretty vulgar and uncivil language to make it crystal clear that they're essentially trying to strip away the rights of anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them.

I am well aware of how things work around here on Reddit. I fully recognize that everyone has every right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe a moderator’s role isn't to act as a judge—it shouldn't be their job to decide from their own personal standpoint whether someone else's opinion is nonsense, foolishness, or just plain stupidity. Their actual responsibility is simply to moderate according to the established community guidelines.

The controversial posts I’ve listed here... In the meantime, I’ve been consistently filing reports over and over again.
Even though quite a few days have passed since these were originally posted—and even though I’ve personally reported them several times, along with many other users who I’m certain have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response. No sanctions, no warnings, no deleted posts... nothing at all. It honestly feels as if there isn't even a moderator on duty here.

However, there certainly was one present back when I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. Those photos featuring the sheep....

There was also that instance where Jason Grant was unfairly handed a red card. Just some fabricated trolling..

Given everything that’s been laid out and explained here, it seems pretty obvious that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and totally subjective, which flies right in the face of many of the standard rules we have here on Reddit.
Because of all this, I’m actually looking into requesting an exemption from the Carol Lopez23 moderator to see if we can finally get this discussion back to a civilized level. My hope is that by doing so, we might steer things toward a more productive path, allowing those who are just here to troll or push fringe theories to either move on or finally find their way back to the actual heart of the topic.

Thanks, and all the best!

Elizabeth Jackson

The challenge of addressing disagreement can truly escalate into a significant difficulty. Personal convictions are one thing, but presenting them as the sole, universal truth—while implying that everything else is "wrong" or merely the product of "evil science"—verges on trolling. And when someone responds to you in that same manner, they suddenly begin filing reports in a frenzy.🙄

Elizabeth Jackson said:...and the continuation...

Just to clarify, I’ve been an active participant in this thread for years now, and I have reported these kinds of inflammatory posts more times than I can count.
Carol Lopez23 didn't get banned. I don't think I've ever actually had a single post of mine reported. I mean, they didn't even bother to give a member like that a warning.
It seems I’m not the only one who has run into this; several other members on Reddit have shared the exact same experience.
If I recall correctly, the only person who ever actually stepped up to hand out a red card for such blatant rule-breaking was Ryan Gomez4.
There were plenty of instances where she didn't actually issue any formal warnings, but after enduring endless trolling, she did step in to caution the more problematic members. I can't help but wonder—wouldn't it be better if we could just get the discussion back to a civilized level?

Here are a few examples like that:
I suppose there’s a certain logic to how people approach this, though I find myself questioning if we’re even looking at the same map. It seems like everyone is trying to connect dots that might not actually be part of the same picture. Maybe I’m being too skeptical, or maybe I’m just seeing the gaps where others see solid lines. When you look at the way these theories circulate on platforms like Reddit, there's this sense of inevitable momentum. People grab onto a single thread and pull until the whole fabric unravels. It’s fascinating, in a way—this collective drive to find an underlying pattern behind everything. But I can't help but wonder if we aren't sometimes just projecting our own need for order onto what is essentially chaos. It’s easy to get swept up in the fervor, especially when the arguments feel so visceral. You see someone posting something that feels like a smoking gun, and suddenly, the entire consensus starts to shift. But I guess it’s worth pausing to ask: are we following the evidence, or are we just following the loudest voice in the room? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we should be careful about how quickly we embrace a narrative just because it feels satisfyingly complete.
I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I honestly feel like we might be overlooking something pretty fundamental here. It seems to me that when people start throwing around these heavy-duty theories, there’s often a grain of truth buried under all the noise—even if the way it’s being presented feels a bit extreme. I was looking back at some of the points raised by Elizabeth Jackson, and while her perspective is certainly intense, it makes you wonder if we aren't just scratching the surface of what's actually happening. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it feels like there’s a disconnect between what the mainstream media tells us and what a lot of people are seeing with their own eyes. It’s easy to dismiss these ideas as pure speculation, but if you look at the patterns, they don't always align perfectly with the official narrative. Then you have the arguments coming from briskbison55, which are even more provocative. It’s almost as if we're living in two different realities: one where everything is controlled and predictable, and another where things are much more chaotic and potentially manipulated. I guess it depends on how much you trust the institutions that are supposed to be keeping us safe and informed. Personally, I tend to lean toward a healthy dose of skepticism. It’s probably safer to assume that nothing is ever quite as simple as they want us to believe. Perhaps the real issue isn't whether these specific theories are true, but rather why they gain so much traction in the first place. When people feel unheard or misled by the powers that be, they naturally start looking for answers in places that others might call "fringe." It’s a bit of a cycle, really. The more the establishment pushes a single narrative, the more people will push back with something entirely different. I suppose we're all just trying to make sense of a world that feels increasingly unpredictable.
I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at this more objectively. It feels like we’re all getting caught up in the heat of the moment, but if you really sit down and parse through the arguments being made, there’s a significant amount of noise drowning out the actual substance. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to accept every claim as absolute truth without looking at the underlying data. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to feel that when everyone starts shouting at once, the nuance gets lost. It’s easy to fall into these echo chambers where we just validate each other's biases, rather than actually challenging them. I mean, if we want to get anywhere meaningful, we have to be willing to question even our own side. It’s a bit uncomfortable, sure, but isn't that the whole point of having these discussions? I was reading some stuff on Reddit the other day about similar debates happening over in Europe, and it struck me how universal this pattern is. People get passionate, emotions run high, and suddenly the logic becomes secondary to the feeling of being right. It’s a fascinating, if somewhat frustrating, human tendency. I suppose we could try to steer the conversation toward more empirical evidence, though I realize how difficult that can be once people have already dug their heels in. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking about this conversation quite a bit lately, and I feel like we need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture. It seems like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how these systems actually function, which leads people to jump to conclusions that don't quite hold up under scrutiny. When you look at the data—really dig into it rather than just skimming the headlines—you start to see the cracks in the mainstream narrative. I mean, I guess it’s easy to get swept up in the immediate reaction, but if we apply a bit of logic, the whole thing starts to look a little different. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I tend to believe that things are rarely as simple as they are presented on the evening news. It’s interesting, really. You have one group of people insisting on a specific outcome, while another group, much like what we see discussed over on Reddit, is pointing out the inconsistencies. I find myself leaning toward the latter. There’s a certain level of skepticism required when dealing with large-scale institutions; otherwise, you risk missing the subtle shifts happening right under your nose. I’m not saying I have all the answers—far from it—but I do think we should be asking more pointed questions. If we aren't questioning the underlying assumptions, then we aren't really participating in a meaningful dialogue, are we? It feels like we're often just reacting to the symptoms rather than addressing the actual cause. Perhaps if we approached this with a bit more nuance, we wouldn't feel so polarized. Just a thought.
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this whole situation, and I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just missing the forest for the trees. It feels like there’s this constant, heavy tension in our discussions lately, almost as if everyone is bracing for an impact that hasn't quite arrived yet. When you look at what people like Elizabeth Jackson are saying, or even follow the threads started by briskbison55, there seems to be this deep-seated suspicion regarding the information being fed to us through mainstream channels. I guess it’s understandable. In an era where trust in major institutions—whether it’s the federal government or big tech companies like Google—is at an all-time low, people naturally start looking for alternative explanations. Maybe that’s just how we’re wired now. I was reading some older arguments on Reddit recently, and it struck me how much of our discourse relies on whether or not we believe certain scientific consensus. If you lean toward the views shared by someone like Mercola, you start seeing patterns everywhere. You begin to question the very air we breathe or the food on our plates. It’s a rabbit hole, really. Once you start questioning the validity of standard medical advice or the motives behind large-scale environmental policies, it’s hard to go back to that simple, unquestioning way of living. Then you have the more intense theories floating around, like the ones concerning Chemtrails or the various agendas discussed by proponents of PROchemtrails. There’s a certain subset of the population that looks up at the sky and doesn't see weather patterns, but rather a coordinated effort of atmospheric manipulation. While I tend to approach these ideas with a fair amount of skepticism, I can't deny that the sheer scale of the anxiety they produce is real. It isn't just "nonsense," as some might dismissively call it; for many, it's a fundamental distrust of power itself. It’s a bit of a mess, isn't it? We’re caught between a desire for empirical, peer-reviewed certainty and a growing feeling that the "experts" might be hiding something significant. I don't have the answers, and I certainly don't want to claim I do. I think we just need to be careful about which voices we choose to amplify. Whether we're discussing politics in Washington, D.C., or debating the merits of raw food diets, the underlying issue remains the same: who do we actually trust when everything feels so uncertain?

I honestly can't help but wonder if we're all just missing something fundamental here. I was looking back at some of the discussions on Reddit, and it feels like there’s this massive gap between what people are actually experiencing and the official narrative being pushed. It’s almost like we’re living in two different realities. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but when you look at the sheer scale of what’s being discussed regarding things like Chemtrails ii, it seems wild to think that everyone is just collectively oblivious. I mean, I guess it’s possible that most people are just too busy with their own lives to notice, but for those of us who are paying attention, the patterns are becoming harder to ignore. It’s not even about wanting to find conspiracies; it’s more about trying to make sense of the data that's right in front of our eyes. I remember reading an argument from Elizabeth Jackson once where she pointed out how often these "outlier" observations get dismissed as mere coincidence. And while I agree that we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions without evidence, there comes a point where the coincidences start feeling a bit too choreographed, doesn't it? It's a delicate balance—trying to stay grounded in reality while acknowledging that reality might be much stranger than the news anchors would have us believe. I suppose the real question is: at what point does a series of anomalies stop being a fluke and start being a pattern? I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think we need to keep asking the questions. Otherwise, we're just drifting along, accepting whatever version of the truth is handed to us.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recent discussions regarding the intersection of scientific consensus and the various theories circulating online. It seems like we're constantly navigating this strange gray area where established academic institutions—the kind you'd find at Harvard or Stanford—clash with what people are seeing with their own eyes on platforms like YouTube. It’s an interesting tension, isn't it? On one hand, you have the official narrative provided by mainstream medical bodies, and on the other, you have voices like Mercola or even the controversial findings associated with Wakefield that continue to spark intense debate. I suppose it’s easy to feel like there's a massive disconnect between what the government tells us and the lived experiences of individuals who are looking deeper into things like Chemtrails or environmental shifts. Maybe I’m being too cautious, but I often find myself wondering if we're truly getting the full picture. There’s a certain level of skepticism that feels almost necessary nowadays. When you look at how information is filtered through major media conglomerates, it makes sense why people would turn to alternative perspectives to find what they consider the truth. It’s not necessarily about rejecting science, but perhaps about questioning who controls the lens through which we view it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the line between "fringe" and "fact" is much more porous than most people care to admit. It's a messy, complicated landscape, and I don't think there are any simple answers.

Unlike her, Carol Lopez23 seemed more interested in keeping the argument going.

Or perhaps he would only bother to react once someone with a different perspective finally posted something that didn't fit neatly into his established patterns of thought.

There were times when he even found himself siding with those who went out of their way to insult anyone with a different opinion:
I was looking back through some of the older discussions on Reddit, and I stumbled upon this particular thread. It’s interesting how certain topics just refuse to stay buried, isn't it? Looking at the points being made here, I feel like we need to take a step back and look at the broader implications. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate back-and-forth, but if you really dig into the underlying logic—or lack thereof—there’s a much larger pattern emerging. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn't just take these claims at face value. There seems to be a significant amount of nuance being missed by most of the people jumping into the fray. Maybe I'm being too cautious, but I suspect there's more to the story than what's being presented on the surface. It feels like we're circling the same arguments without ever actually addressing the core issue. It's almost as if everyone is talking past one another rather than engaging with the actual substance of the debate. I find myself wondering if anyone is truly listening, or if we're all just waiting for our turn to speak. Regardless, it's worth keeping an eye on how this evolves.

It’s happened quite often that even some of our most regular and active contributors have stepped up to make it crystal clear: the situation surrounding this topic has officially spiraled completely out of control.

Here is how Carol Lopez23 reacted:
I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and I have to say, some of the arguments being thrown around here are truly mind-boggling. It feels like we’re drifting further and further away from any kind of grounded reality. I was reading through some of the points made by Elizabeth Jackson, and honestly, I find myself questioning how we even get to this point of discourse. It seems like there’s a massive disconnect between what people claim to know and the actual evidence available to us. Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but it feels like a lot of these theories are built on incredibly shaky foundations. Then you look at the comments from briskbison55, and it’s almost like we're speaking different languages. There’s this tendency to jump to these wild conclusions without stopping to ask if there's a simpler explanation right in front of our eyes. I guess it’s easy to get swept up in a narrative when it feels like everything is connected, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Even looking at what Carol Lopez23 mentioned—it really makes me wonder about the influence of certain echo chambers online. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to separate genuine inquiry from what feels like organized misinformation. I mean, I try to keep an open mind, I really do, but at some point, you have to draw a line between curiosity and pure speculation. It’s a strange time to be searching for truth, isn't it? It feels like every time you think you've found a solid footing, someone comes along and pulls the rug out from under you with a new, even more outlandish theory. I suppose we'll just have to see which way the wind blows.

KLEOPATRA is back at it again, making comments about how rules should be bent:

And also:

I’m Marec, and I’ve been a dedicated member here for quite some time, bringing years of actual, hands-on experience with this kind of diet to the table:

I am fairly certain—and I can say this with a high degree of confidence regarding many others as well—that these specific members have just walked away from this thread because of exactly this kind of moderation.

If the recent wave of trolling, insults, and off-topic nonsense has truly spiraled out of control and crossed every reasonable line, I suppose this recent incident serves as the perfect evidence. Ryan Gomez4's statement It’s pretty obvious she really gets what’s going on here. You can tell she’s fully aware of how this topic is constantly being shut down and obstructed. Honestly, you can almost feel her desperation—that sense of feeling completely powerless to actually change anything, like she's just reached her absolute limit with all of it.

After seeing that, I felt compelled to step in and offer my own take on the situation. Ideas for improving how this forum functions..
Carol Lopez23 used some pretty vulgar and uncivil language to make it crystal clear that they're essentially trying to strip away the rights of anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them.

I am well aware of how things work around here on Reddit. I fully recognize that everyone has every right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe a moderator’s role isn't to act as a judge—it shouldn't be their job to decide from their own personal standpoint whether someone else's opinion is nonsense, foolishness, or just plain stupidity. Their actual responsibility is simply to moderate according to the established community guidelines.

The controversial posts I’ve listed here... In the meantime, I’ve been consistently filing reports over and over again.
Even though quite a few days have passed since these were originally posted—and even though I’ve personally reported them several times, along with many other users who I’m certain have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response. No sanctions, no warnings, no deleted posts... nothing at all. It honestly feels as if there isn't even a moderator on duty here.

However, there certainly was one present back when I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. Those photos featuring the sheep....

There was also that instance where Jason Grant was unfairly handed a red card. Just some fabricated trolling..

Given everything that’s been laid out and explained here, it seems pretty obvious that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and totally subjective, which flies right in the face of many of the standard rules we have here on Reddit.
Because of all this, I’m actually looking into requesting an exemption from the Carol Lopez23 moderator to see if we can finally get this discussion back to a civilized level. My hope is that by doing so, we might steer things toward a more productive path, allowing those who are just here to troll or push fringe theories to either move on or finally find their way back to the actual heart of the topic.

Thanks, and all the best!

Elizabeth Jackson


Are we facing another confrontation?

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
I am fully acquainted with the regulations governing this Reddit community, and I maintain a firm belief that every individual possesses the fundamental right to express their own perspective. Furthermore, I believe it is not the primary responsibility of a moderator to sit in judgment or to offer subjective interpretations regarding whether a particular opinion qualifies as nonsense, foolishness, or mere posturing; rather, their essential duty is to facilitate discussion by adhering strictly to the established guidelines of Reddit.

As a regular contributor here on Reddit, I feel it is my prerogative—guided by my own personal convictions, if you will—to state that based on the substance of your recent posts, I can only conclude that you are simply talking nonsense. It is precisely as it was previously detailed and clarified in the response provided above.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Regarding the contentious posts I have listed, In the interim, I have found myself repeatedly and persistently submitting my reports over and over again.
Even though quite a significant amount of time has elapsed since these comments were originally posted, and despite my own repeated attempts to flag them—not to mention knowing for a fact that other community members have done the same—there has been absolutely zero response whatsoever. There hasn't been a single disciplinary action, whether it be a formal warning, a post removal, or even a simple strike; there is simply nothing. It truly feels as though a moderator doesn't even exist within this space.

However, it certainly existed at the moment I was assigned a card to be placed in post 2. It appears we are discussing those various images featuring sheep..

The cardboard is as pristine as a dewdrop in the morning sun.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
It was also during the period when Jason Grant was subjected to that entirely unwarranted disciplinary action regarding his standing. It appears that we are witnessing a case of purely fabricated trolling, orchestrated simply to stir the pot without any underlying substance..

Ah, I suspect you might have misread the material; perhaps a second pass would be more beneficial to truly grasp the nuances presented here.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr
Based upon all the evidence and arguments presented here, it appears quite evident that the moderation by Carol Lopez23 is biased and lacks objectivity, which runs contrary to many of the established rules on Reddit.
Consequently, I am formally requesting that Carol Lopez23 be recused from this thread so that our discussion might finally return to a productive and civilized level, and so that those users who have felt forced to depart toward alternative platforms can find their way back to the topic at hand.

Thank you, and best regards!

Elizabeth Jackson

I certainly have no objection to that. I simply ask one question—when the pattern of patronizing, insulting, or disparaging those with differing views continues, and when more nonsense is being peddled, will there once again be formal complaints regarding the moderator's conduct?

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

The fundamental issue is that you aren't actually presenting expert medical opinions; rather, your arguments seem to rest upon the writings of conspiracy theorists, the statements of individuals who stand to gain financially from these claims, those who are entirely unqualified to engage in such a debate, and those who willfully lie and manipulate data based on various underlying motives.
Furthermore, in most civilized countries, vaccination rates remain very high, and "freedom of choice" is often a relative concept. For instance, one generally cannot enroll a child in daycare or school if they haven't been vaccinated.

Indeed, some individuals require slightly firmer (educational) measures.

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

You make a fair point; I should have issued a warning. I misunderstood the context of the post.

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

As I have already articulated above, we must maintain consistency; it is either a formal warning for both parties or a warning for neither.

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

The matter has been clarified.

Are we speaking about forum members or those within alternative circles in general? In many such instances, sanctions have been applied.

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

Alternative communities in America frequently claim that the "atmosphere is laden with substances" (Chemtrails), a topic they discuss extensively on their own boards; thus, drawing an analogy to our local alternative groups who make identical claims about "substances in the air" (Chemtrails) is entirely appropriate. It serves as perhaps our most relevant comparison and provides a useful benchmark for everyone involved.
Given the evident lack of reason and logic found in those posts—if one bothers to look at the replies in the relevant threads or examines the photos of aircraft showing standard fuel combustion trails, which these "alternative circles" love to present as ultimate PROOF—the post is, I repeat, perfectly acceptable. 🥳

Elizabeth Jackson said:First off, I would kindly ask the supermoderator to take some time out of their schedule to review all the examples I’ve laid out here and provide a formal response.

It seems to me that Carol Lopez23 is more interested in making excuses for her lackluster moderation than actually addressing the blatant violations happening right in front of her eyes. Instead of holding people accountable for clear rule-breaking, she just tries to downplay the whole situation, which really waters down any sense of order here.
Actually, I would be more than happy to weigh in on this.

That’s simply not true.
When it comes to the whole vaccination debate, I feel like everything really boils down to two distinct camps: those who are firmly in favor and those who are completely against it.
The skeptical crowd isn't just looking at one side of the coin; they’re also examining the flip side—specifically the harmful consequences. They make a point to cite the consensus from various scientific fields, including immunology, medicine, toxicology, and biology, regarding the potential dangers involved.
Under American law, this would be classified as a civil infraction, which typically carries a fine.
In the civilized nations we’re heading toward—places like the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland, or Belgium—there isn't even a specific legal violation on the books for this. Instead, it’s treated as a matter of personal freedom and individual choice.
So, what you’re saying is you’d actually want to throw people in jail and start swinging?

You're twisting my words. My actual grievance was regarding the blatant disregard for basic decency.
The user briskbison55 went ahead and called another forum member a total parasite.

You’re being intentionally evasive.

You’re being far too tolerant with certain people.
It isn't quite the same thing to just say it to someone. It’s almost like people are intentionally playing dumb. Playing dumb is honestly just a waste of everyone's time, and frankly, I think it should be strictly off-limits. Regarding the forum rules......to point 15), or perhaps just mentioning it to someone.

So, while a post like that shouldn't earn a ban, this one certainly should:
https://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1528
Furthermore, you're letting users call each other idiots quite freely.
Is that actually consistent with the rules here on Reddit?

That's just not true.
You've been inconsistent with your moderation—you didn't ban this post:

That is a direct insult to America and its people, some of whom are active members of this forum.
Keep in mind that briskbison55 has already been warned by other users about using hate speech.

In context, there was nothing playful about it, not even a little bit.
You're allowing users to address one another with derogatory and offensive terms.
And now you're trying to brush it off as mere banter.

That's incorrect.
It's just your own bias and lack of education regarding this subject.
Plus, you're essentially mocking the topic itself.
Meteorological and military experiments are very much a proven reality.
It would be an absolute stretch to suggest that we’re all being intentionally poisoned—honestly, saying that would just make us look ridiculous—but you seem to be mocking every single aspect of this entire topic.
That particular user has already been given answers to those questions on several different occasions; if it’s necessary, I suppose I could provide the links to prove it.
The fact that he’s still out there trolling, and you aren't stepping in to penalize him, is exactly where the problem lies.

By the way, are terms like "insane," "paranoid delusions," and "questionable YouTube videos" actually considered valid critiques? Is there actually an argument to be made here? I mean, I’ve been sitting with this for a while, and I can't help but wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees. It feels like we're circling the drain of a debate that doesn't even have a solid foundation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but it seems like most of the points being thrown around lack a certain... substance? I guess it depends on how you look at it, but from where I'm standing, it's all a bit thin.
Look, you’re more than welcome to hold whatever personal opinion you like—just like everyone else here—but moderation isn't based on whether we agree with your take. It's based strictly on following the site rules.
Well, there you have it. That’s exactly what subjective moderation looks like.

If I actually put some real effort into crafting a deep, comprehensive post, only to have some random troll snap back and call my thoughts "insane," how would I feel? Honestly, I suppose it’s a bit of a gut punch, isn't it? You spend all that time organizing your thoughts and trying to be coherent, and then someone just tosses out a label like that because they can't—or won't—engage with the actual substance. It’s frustrating, I guess. Maybe it's just the nature of the internet, but there’s definitely a certain sting when you realize your attempt at a meaningful contribution was met with nothing but mindless derision.

By all means, go right ahead. 🙂
I’d really appreciate it if a supermod could take a close look at the threads regarding Chemtrails and raw food. It’s become pretty obvious that I’ve been patiently ignoring various provocations and certain patterns of behavior—as you can see in the examples I’ve attached. If it helps the investigation, I can certainly provide specific dates as well. I suppose there isn't much to say about this particular topic without getting bogged down in the details, but I'll try my best to outline the scope from start to finish. It’s one of those things where you really have to look at the entire spectrum—from the very beginning all the way to the end—to truly grasp what we're dealing with. Maybe it sounds a bit tedious, but I think if we don't account for the full range, we're just missing the point entirely....just sitting there, waiting to see if the moderators would actually step in and say something.
Since she wasn't around to handle things, I finally stepped up—though only occasionally—to respond to those provocations in a way that felt somewhat appropriate.
If I happened to break any of the rules here, I honestly wouldn't mind if I were handed a penalty card.
I suppose that would just serve as further evidence that the moderation hasn't been handled quite as strictly as it should have been.

Is this actually against the rules of Reddit, or is it just based on your own subjective opinion?
Jason Grant used to get a lot of praise from other users on the nutrition threads—I can provide links if you actually want to see them—but he was constantly being targeted by trolls. Honestly, seeing how you handled things, I’m not surprised he made such an impulsive move, and he might have even left the site entirely. He's just like so many others I know for a fact who walked away specifically because of your biased moderation.
Regarding briskbison55, I really think a supermod should take a close look at their history over on the raw food threads—or honestly, any of the alternative topics, for that matter. If you actually sit down and review what they’ve been posting, you'll see just how much they engage in. I mean, does this person ever contribute a single constructive thought related to the actual subject at hand? It's hard to say, but I suspect the answer might be no.

Actually, that's incorrect.
The user's post actually uses a direct quote from:
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF PHILOSOPHY
NIKOLA JELIČIĆ
ROUSSEAU'S CRITIQUE OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IDEA
OF PROGRESS: THREE STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Advisor: Dr. Raul Raunić, Associate Professor

That exact quote can be found on page 3.
The user's post had absolutely nothing to do with A. Hitler's thesis.
In fact, the user was simply quoting Rousseau's critique.
It would be quite a mistake—born out of pure ignorance, I assume—to think this had any connection to Hitler. And, if I may say so, briskbison55's posts touch upon Nazism on several occasions, sometimes subtly and sometimes quite overtly.
So, what we're looking at here is a direct, intentional insult, essentially hate speech echoing the genocidal rhetoric of Hitler's Wehrmacht and Nazi ideology. This is being repeated even after being warned by another user not to make unnecessary implications regarding "the Austrian painter," which is something 7 Nation did a few posts earlier, also without any hesitation.
To make matters worse, 7 Nation went even further by mentioning Hitler's "final solutions" with the clear intent to offend, rather than out of ignorance or an attempt at an Argumentum ad Hitlerum. Perhaps noting this might help you mitigate your own error and poor moderation?

Well, suggesting something is one thing, but outright insults are quite another:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2774
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2835

(Well, I suppose that last part was just cardboard.) 🙏But seriously, it only just showed up today, even though the post itself is already seven days old. I’ve actually reported it several times now, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who noticed. Honestly, what were they waiting for all this time?

Without getting bogged down in everything we've already covered—and trust me, there are plenty of examples out there—I’ll just throw out a few quick ones here. I can certainly dig up more and list them all if I can find the time, though I can't make any promises on when that might be.
I was just scrolling through some old threads on Reddit when I stumbled upon this particular discussion, and it really got me thinking about how much certain perspectives have shifted over the years. It’s funny how we revisit these topics; sometimes you realize that what seemed like a wild theory back then is actually starting to feel more like common sense today. Looking at the arguments being thrown around, there's this persistent tension between those who trust the mainstream narrative and those of us who tend to look a bit deeper into the cracks. I guess it comes down to how much information you're willing to digest before you start questioning the status quo. Maybe some people are just naturally more skeptical, while others find comfort in the established order. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I do think it's worth questioning the official versions of events once in a while. It keeps the mind sharp, even if it does make things a little more complicated.
Just as a quick side note, I actually reported this post several times before, but nothing happened. It wasn't until I kept flagging it—almost to a fault, given how persistently I was being—that Ryan Gomez4 finally stepped in and issued the ban.

These aren't just some cheap, flimsy cardboard cutouts.

I might follow up with the rest of my response on Sunday once I'm back from my trip. 👋

🤦
What can I possibly say when you simply fail to grasp the point.
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Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Warmest greetings to you!

Alternative Forum Subject Matters Vaccination, Chemtrails ii, water, living organisms, and the importance of consuming raw food.

NotePlease forgive the length of this message and the sheer volume of evidence I have attached, which simply could not be contained within a single post. My intention is to provide as much substantiation as possible to offer the clearest possible insight into the situation at hand, as I firmly believe that merely presenting five or six isolated examples would fail to constitute any meaningful proof.

It has become increasingly apparent that on these specific discussion threads, we have allowed a persistent pattern of rule violations to go unchecked for quite some time now. This behavior stems from a small handful of members, with briskbison55 leading the charge in disregarding our established community standards.
As evidence, I am presenting the following posts that stand in violation of our established rules.

Well, let us see what unfolds:

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
The Topic of Vaccination:

The discourse surrounding hate speech and violence is a matter that demands our most measured and thoughtful attention. It is much like a delicate ecosystem where a single disruptive element can throw the entire balance into chaos, much like how an invasive species might threaten the stability of a national park. When we allow inflammatory rhetoric to take root, we aren't just witnessing a clash of words; we are observing the slow erosion of the very social fabric that holds our great nation together. It is essential that we approach this topic with deliberation, recognizing that the impact of such hostility often ripples far beyond the initial outburst, affecting the peace and security of our entire community. It appears that briskbison55 is openly suggesting that anyone holding a differing opinion should be thrown behind bars and subjected to physical discipline. The remainder of the post maintains an aggressively confrontational tone, characterized by sweeping assertions that lack any supporting sources, logical reasoning, or verifiable evidence.

What is the true essence of the issue here? It seems to me that individuals who willfully place others in harm's way—whether through direct action or by creating indirect health risks—should face swift and decisive consequences. In a civilized society like ours, one might suggest implementing strict lockdowns or heavy financial penalties as a primary deterrent. As for those who remain stubbornly defiant despite such measures, perhaps a more physical approach would be necessary to ensure compliance.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

Jason Grant’s line of reasoning functions primarily by attempting to provoke a sense of pathos, which serves two purposes: first, it constitutes a fundamental logical fallacy, and second, it acts as a clear indicator that he is utterly incapable of constructing a valid, substantive argument for his own theses. This pattern remains strikingly evident across nearly all of his contributions regarding vaccinations, a tendency that ultimately led to his account being banned when, quite pitifully, he suffered a complete emotional breakdown.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

There is truly nothing controversial about that observation. In fact, those who peddle nonsense based on fabricated information often find themselves quite prosperous; one might point to figures like Mercola and Wakefield, or even local examples like Gajski.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

Again, I see nothing out of the ordinary, as Mirko_M is simply responding to Jason Grant, who implies that Mirko_M is playing dumb. It seems to me that Jason Grant is actually behaving in the exact manner he accuses others of exhibiting. Consequently, we must either issue a reprimand to both parties or to neither. I lean toward the latter, as the alternativa subforum has never been a sterile environment, and I don't see why it should start now.

Moving forward:

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

He provided a very fitting response, particularly when considering the context of the question.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

In the US, these "alternative" circles are quite influential, spreading similar nebulous theories as they do here, so the conclusion becomes self-evident. Regardless, you all had a rather pleasant exchange, such that it can hardly be characterized as an insult.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

🙄
Hey Kae, aren't you all just having a bit too much fun with this nonsense? 🙂

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
Quote:>
briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

Perhaps we could indulge in a bit of off-topic conversation; given that the participants in both threads are pursuing identical themes, and considering how this type of tangential discussion tends to drift across from one side to the other, I see absolutely nothing objectionable about it.
On the other hand, those within the PROchemtrails camp have yet to provide any substantive answers to his inquiries; instead, they continue to offer nothing but absurd theories, bolstered by low-quality videos found on YouTube and paranoid imagery scraped from various conspiracy websites.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
Quote:>>
briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
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briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

Where exactly is the insult in this situation?

Let us proceed further.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Consider, if you will, a single illustrative example drawn from our broader discussion regarding water as a living, breathing entity.
Laplace has been involved in the entirety of the situation. postu It appears that this individual is focusing exclusively on hurling insults at other forum members, seemingly having absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Much appreciated, thank you.

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Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Consider several instances regarding the topic of raw food:
Engaging in mere trolling and attempting to provoke one's interlocutors without presenting any substantive arguments or maintaining any relevance to the actual subject at hand is truly a peculiar way to conduct oneself.

Even though at the conclusion of this particular post... He posits that comparing an individual to an animal carries the exact same weight and insult as calling them intellectually disabled.In fact, he has gone about and done exactly that on several occasions:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Here is another instance:

And also:

I would kindly request that the supermoderator and Nice take a moment to review the broader context surrounding HIS specific responses; once you examine his replies alongside the actual statements made by the individuals he was addressing, the entire situation will become much clearer.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Regarding the tendency to label one's interlocutors as "insane animals," I would like to point out that both myself and... Perhaps we should consider approaching these matters with a bit more gentleness and grace. I received a formal warning, quite simply because I included images of sheep in that particular post. It turns out Carol Lopez23 had to step in and explain the rules to me, noting that comparing people to animals is strictly prohibited under our community guidelines.
I truly cannot fathom which specific rule is being referenced here, nor can I see how it could possibly be applied to the various examples provided by briskbison55.

I believe you should try guessing once more. Your entire body of work is quite well-known, and you seem to have a persistent tendency to disparage anyone who dares to disagree with your perspective. You were issued that warning because you lack the basic etiquette required for a civil conversation. This stems from your habit of comparing people to sheep—suggesting they are merely huddled in a pen, blindly following orders. By using such an analogy, you imply that the average person lacks the cognitive capacity to think for themselves simply because they don't align with your specific worldview. In your vision, the only ones deemed "correct" are those who adhere strictly to a raw food diet, those who have avoided vaccinations, and those who haven't been affected by chemtrails. One might even look at the little picture in your signature for further clarification.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
This individual is being quite disrespectful by labeling another user an idiot. This entire thread has completely drifted away from the actual topic; instead, it has devolved into nothing more than petty, back-and-forth bickering.

It appears we are witnessing the same pattern unfolding once again, a cycle that is destined to repeat itself, and the individual even goes so far as to admit it:

Engaging in the act of slandering or insulting one's fellow interlocutors is quite beneath us.

In the following section of this same post, the user goes as far as labeling the other forum members complete fools:

At long last, he finally admits that he views people as nothing more than fools, and it appears that no one is willing to deny him the right to express such an opinion.

Right here. It appears that this individual is actively advocating for and attempting to justify acts of animal cruelty and violence, which are strictly prohibited under our nation's laws. In accordance with the established regulations of this forum. (First point).
The remainder of this entry also drifts quite far off-topic:

Once again, this individual is calling another forum member an idiot, effectively admitting to their own lack of composure:

To provide some necessary context here: the perception regarding the infliction of suffering upon animals isn't a universal constant; it varies deeply from one individual to another. There is a profound distinction between raising livestock for sustenance and the senseless, arbitrary slaughter of creatures for no reason at all.
Furthermore, one might say that the cardboard itself represents the entirety of the day.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
This post is entirely unnecessary and bears no relevance to the topic at hand; it seems designed solely to incite an argument.

It appears that we have drifted quite far from the intended subject matter, as the conversation has devolved into unnecessary personal attacks against other participants and a complete departure from the topic at hand.

I find myself in complete agreement that Jason Grant occasionally drafts posts that feel entirely superfluous and lack any coherent logic; however, briskbison55 simply responds to those exact same points.
It is essentially the exact same situation with this other quote; the individual simply provided you with an answer.

Elizabeth Jackson-Pr As stated by:
Right here. The individual presents several claims regarding "black pork bacon" and thermally processed tomatoes without providing a single credible source to back them up, yet they have the audacity to mock "obscure" websites without even naming them. To top it all off, they conclude by dismissing something entirely irrelevant to the discussion as nonsense, despite the fact that no one else had even brought it up.

When one encounters trolling, off-topic diversions, and the constant accusation that others are merely trying to "push" some hidden agenda—especially within a discussion centered on healthy eating—one is truly left quite speechless. It is a curious phenomenon, isn't it? Much like how a seasoned diplomat might react when a serious summit devolves into petty bickering and baseless finger-pointing, there is a certain exhaustion that sets in. How does one even begin to respond to such behavior?

Continuing with this same post—just a series of arguments back and forth that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual subject at hand:

Engaging in mockery and demeaning one's interlocutors is a practice that serves only to undermine the very foundation of meaningful discourse.

Engaging in trolling and provocation that bears absolutely no relevance to the actual topic at hand:

It appears we are witnessing nothing more than a cycle of trolling, endless bickering, and the deliberate provocation of fellow participants. There is a persistent tendency here to present assertions that have long since been officially debunked by the scientific community and proven false through practical application—all while failing to provide a single credible source or shred of evidence to support such claims.

🤦

I would like to kindly ask anyone who might have a moment to simply review the context of this entire discussion. While we can certainly all agree that suggesting someone is an idiot—even if, on the Alternative forums, such suggestions often feel entirely unnecessary—is truly bottom-of-the-barrel behavior, everything else in this exchange is quite questionable indeed.
I cannot be held responsible if this so-called "alternative agenda" lacks even a shred of coherent logic or direction.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Warm greetings to everyone!

Reddit Alternative - Topics Vaccination, Chemtrails II, Water, Living Beings, and Raw Food

>Note: I apologize for the length of this post and the sheer volume of evidence provided—it simply wouldn't fit in a single entry. However, I wanted to back up my claims thoroughly and provide the clearest possible picture of the situation, as I feel that providing only five or six examples wouldn't constitute much of a case.>

So, it seems that within these specific threads, a handful of members have been allowed to consistently violate our forum rules for quite some time now, with briskbison55 being the most prominent offender.
As evidence, I have included several posts below that breach our guidelines.

Vaccination Thread:>

Hate speech and incitement to violence - briskbison55 openly suggests that anyone with a differing opinion should be thrown in jail and physically beaten. The rest of the post follows an aggressive, argumentative tone, filled with assertions that lack any sources, logic, or actual proof.

Insulting other users by calling one a "scumbag"; while at it, they also belittle and discriminate against certain professions (drivers), all without offering any relevant arguments pertaining to the topic.

In this instance, they once again label anyone who doesn't share their exact mindset as a scumbag.

Right here, Mirko_M insults a user by suggesting their mother raised them to be stupid.

Chemtrails II Thread:>

When Jason Grant asked if there was even a single post where they didn't insult their interlocutor, briskbison55 responded with more insults, calling the users idiots.>

Disparagement based on nationality:
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briskbison55 says: [URL='showthread.php?p=61849861#post61849861']>
>in Mexico, the air is laden with various substances that strip away reason and logic but merely stimulate the urge to type the same mantra over and over without any basis.
>They insult users by calling them "papists.">

This is just one of many examples where someone plays dumb and asks questions that have already been answered numerous times in the thread. Simultaneously, they pivot to a completely different subject (vaccination) solely to provoke others.

Yet another example of insulting and belittling fellow users.>

An example from the Water, Living Beings thread:>

Laplace spends the entire post exclusively insulting users, with absolutely no connection to the actual topic at hand.

Examples from the Raw Food thread:>
Trolling and provoking users without presenting any arguments or staying on topic:
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briskbison55 says:
Not quite. It’s been said in many places that those who refuse to listen to your ramblings (or rather, your baseless theories) are just sheep following a shepherd. Repeating the same thing over and over is essentially parrot-like communication—some might call it trolling, if that’s more your speed.

The rest, as usual, was just nonsense and an attempt to focus on me instead of sticking to the actual topic.

I'll give you a five out of ten there. I actually learned back in elementary school that humans are the only conscious beings on this planet, so comparing someone to an animal is really just a polite way of calling them a moron.
Even though at the end of this post claims that comparing someone to an animal is the same as calling them a moron, he actually does exactly that several times himself:
(an example from the Chemtrails ii thread)

Another example:

And one more:

Regarding the habit of calling interlocutors "mindless animals," I should mention that I've received a warning for much milder things, solely because I included pictures of sheep in a post (Carol Lopez23 explained to me that according to the rules, you aren't allowed to compare people to animals).
I honestly have no idea which rule that is, nor can I see how it was applied to these specific examples from briskbison55.

Here, he's being insulting by calling a user an idiot. This post has nothing to do with the subject matter; it's just pure bickering.

It’s the same old story, happening all over again—and honestly, they’re practically admitting to it at this point:

Insulting and disparaging your fellow interlocutors:

In the following section, the user goes on to call the other forum members complete idiots:

In the end, he actually goes as far as calling people fools himself—and apparently, nobody is stopping him from exercising that particular right.

Here. He actually goes so far as to advocate for and justify animal cruelty and violence—things that are strictly illegal here in the States. Regarding the forum rules... (First point).
The rest of this entry is also off-topic:

Here, we see a user calling someone else an idiot while basically admitting they are one too:

This is just a needless post—totally off-topic and clearly aimed at starting a fight rather than discussing anything meaningful.

It's pure harassment of other users and completely irrelevant to the discussion.

In this part, they throw out these totally unsubstantiated claims about "black pork bacon" and processed tomatoes without citing a single credible source, all while mocking "obscure" websites that they haven't even actually named. To top it off, they dismiss something entirely unrelated to the thread as stupidity, even though nobody had even mentioned it in the first place.

Just classic trolling, going off-topic, and accusing others of pushing some kind of agenda... an agenda in a thread about healthy eating... honestly, what can you even say to that?

Moving further down the same post—more bickering with zero connection to the actual topic:

Mocking and belittling other participants:

Just trolling and throwing out provocations that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand:

It honestly feels like nothing more than trolling, endless bickering, and just trying to bait people into an argument. It’s the same old pattern: throwing out claims that have been officially debunked, scientifically refuted, and practically disproven ages ago—all without offering a single shred of actual evidence or a credible source to back them up.

Here. He mentions... I suppose we’re talking about an Austrian house painter now? It feels like such a specific detail to bring up out of nowhere, but I guess there's a reason for it. Maybe it's just one of those random observations that sticks in your mind. It’s hard to ignore that blatant insinuation toward Hitler, who remains one of the most horrific criminals in all of history. He just keeps on poking the bear and engaging in these constant provocations, even though his post has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

Here. In the middle of this heated back-and-forth, they’re actually bringing up Hitler again, making some pretty disturbing references to his "final solution." It's honestly unsettling to see that kind of rhetoric resurfacing in an argument like this.

...itd....

It is quite fascinating to observe how certain logical fallacies continue to haunt our modern discourse, much like an old, persistent ghost haunting a Victorian manor. One particularly pervasive example is what scholars often refer to as *argumentum ad Hitlerum*. This specific fallacy occurs when someone attempts to discredit an opponent's position not by addressing the actual substance of their argument, but by simply associating that person—or their ideas—with a notorious historical villain like Hitler. It is a rhetorical shortcut, a way to bypass the rigorous work of intellectual debate by appealing to our most visceral emotional reactions. Instead of dismantling a theory with logic or empirical evidence, one merely points a finger at a dark shadow from the past, suggesting that if a certain individual was once aligned with such evil, then their current claims must also be inherently flawed. It is, in essence, a diversionary tactic designed to shut down conversation rather than enrich it. While I certainly admit that this isn't exactly the most sophisticated method of argumentation, one must realize that some individuals seem to struggle with processing explanations through their intellect, so they resort to these blunt tactics instead. It may not be the most elegant approach, but there is absolutely no basis to suggest that anyone is invoking Nazism here. In essence, one might say that the matter stands on its own merits....violence or anything of that nature.

I shall provide the remainder of my response later this afternoon or perhaps during the evening hours, once I have secured a bit more free time to dedicate to the matter.
As is often the case with old traditions, every organization tends to develop its own unique interpretation of the rules. This certainly isn't anything new when it comes to how Medicare operates. 😬

So, we are looking at a duration of three months.
fadedbear92 said:Actually, you have to place your order within a single month. It might have been a three-month window in the past, but currently, they've tightened it down to just one month.

You're absolutely right; I completely missed the mark on that one.

federalregister.gov/documents/2023/example-link.pdf
One really ought to finalize the order within a three-month window. Of course, there is also the separate matter of deciding on the specific date for when that order should actually be placed. 😁
Carol Long25 said:Is there any way I can return a referral to my primary care physician? I received one a few weeks ago for a specific exam, but since then, I've managed to find a really wonderful private specialist. I would love to hand the referral back so it doesn't just go to waste—is that actually possible?

You can certainly hand it back to her, and she will simply void it in the system. Once that's done, the paper itself can just be tossed in the trash. 😬
Testing for toxoplasmosis is typically handled within the microbiology departments of public health agencies, whereas the ACE test falls under the purview of biochemistry. You can certainly have that first one performed at the clinic in Cleveland; as for the latter, I would suggest giving them a call or perhaps just dropping by the hospital lab to inquire about their availability. 😁
Nancy Anderson90 said:I’m looking for some guidance regarding a gallbladder infection I was recently diagnosed with. My doctor prescribed a course of antibiotics and cleared me to head home, provided I stick to a strict diet and get plenty of rest. After about four days, the pain subsided significantly, but after holding steady for a few hours, it flared up again—though thankfully with less intensity than when it first started. Since I haven't dealt with anything like this before, I am unsure what the typical progression of this illness looks like. Could someone who has experienced this explain if these fluctuations in pain are standard or if they should be a cause for concern? Aside from the discomfort, I don't have any nausea or vomiting, and everything else seems to be functioning normally.

Issues of this nature tend to fluctuate quite frequently, much like a temperamental engine, because the gallbladder is a rather simple organ that contracts every single time you introduce food into your stomach and intestinal tract.
Naturally, maintaining a disciplined diet by avoiding heavy, greasy, or highly seasoned foods is essential.
It is also vital to confirm whether the inflammation was triggered by the presence of gallstones.
The white prescriptions are private, meaning the patient covers the full cost themselves—this applies to medications requiring a prescription that aren't covered by Medicare. The blue ones are essentially free at the point of service; they are issued either for specific categories of drugs, such as controlled substances like codeine, transdermal patches, or phenobarbital, or if the system crashes and you have to manually print everything 😁. Finally, the red prescriptions are for those medications that require a co-pay.
Perhaps this resource might offer some clarity: narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeni/dodatni/432054.pdf

On a different note, when dealing with allergic reactions or minor inflammations that present themselves in the manner described above, I believe there is little practical value in insisting upon an immediate consultation with an ophthalmology specialist—unless, of course, one suspects these symptoms are secondary to a pre-existing condition, such as diabetes or glaucoma. In many instances, the symptoms tend to subside naturally before a scheduled appointment can even take place. 😁

Typically, during a standard eye examination, an ophthalmologist is able to perform a refraction test to determine your prescription, conduct a biomicroscopy exam, and measure your intraocular pressure.
Brandon Patel852 said:I am currently seeking some guidance regarding where I might go to undergo a medical examination for my driver's license. Does anyone have a recommendation for a reliable clinic or health center that handles these types of assessments? 🙂

In any field of occupational medicine, one finds that the principles remain remarkably consistent. 😬