Posts by Jose Clark2

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nimbleharbor10 said:So, what’s the deal with the strikes on those apartment buildings in Vinica? Did they seriously lose their minds, or is it just a massive surplus of missiles they need to burn through? Are their rockets actually such garbage that they can't hit anything besides residential blocks? Maybe someone input the wrong coordinates while intoxicated? Does a criminal mind even see any logic in targeting civilians? It feels like they’re hellbent on wiping out every single Ukrainian, just in case those living further from the front lines happen to forget about the struggle.

It lacks any real military logic. It’s entirely possible they were downed by air defenses. A Kalibr is an expensive projectile, and targeting a residential building full of civilians just doesn't make sense.

William Anderson5 said:And what exactly did Ukraine concede prior to February 24th? Just the stuff from the Minsk Agreement. That’s really the ceiling of what they can offer.

If Putin had been even slightly smarter—if he actually acted like a negotiator—the West would have been ready to hand over Crimea just to secure the Donbas, forcing the Ukrainians to swallow it. But the way things have played out, there isn't even a chance of getting his seizure of Crimea legitimized anymore...

Weren't the Minsk Agreements essentially just something Ukraine refused to follow through on, even though they were signed under the guidance of France and others? Ukraine did sign Minsk-2.

William Anderson5 said:Right now, for the Russians, winning would mean—assuming Ukraine agrees to it on paper—achieving anything more than what they had before February 24th. They have nothing beyond that, and they’re going to have to face that reality, whether it's under Putin or whoever follows him...

Fair enough. If they just validate the pre-February 24th borders, does that mean they actually won the war?

William Anderson5 said:Then let Putin fight until there isn't a single Russian left to fight. Because Russia simply cannot win this one.

What does "winning" even mean? Until someone actually defines what victory looks like for Russia or Putin, any claim about whether they can or cannot win is purely speculative.

Arthur Miller7 said:Okay, but seriously, how exactly is NATO a threat to the Russians? Like, let's say Ukraine actually joins NATO—what does that even change regarding Ukraine's relations with everyone else outside the alliance? And does Russia have nukes? Yeah, obviously they do. So, in what world does NATO plan on attacking or threatening Russia, whether Ukraine is involved or not? All this whining about Ukraine joining NATO only makes sense if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons. If they didn't, sure, we could talk. But as long as they've got those nukes, nobody is touching them. It wouldn't matter if NATO surrounded them from every single side. Here's my question for the day: why hasn't NATO attacked Russia yet? Why hasn't NATO, I don't know, bombed Moscow already?

It’s indisputable that Putin views the encirclement of Russia by NATO as a threat; he has for quite some time. Why he perceives NATO presence on his borders as a danger, I can't say, but it is a fact that he does. Perhaps it's just paranoia or an obsession, or perhaps he truly sees a legitimate threat.

feralhawk45 said:I'm sorry... I've been reading your posts and I honestly can't believe someone who knows how to write, operate a computer, and potentially possesses an IQ north of 70 could output this garbage. Honestly, I’d be terrified if you were my son-in-law and I actually needed you to protect my daughter and grandkids one day.
I don't know how old you are, but if we had thought like you do back in the day, we'd be writing everything in Cyrillic here in San Diego.

I get why people are emotionally invested; they see parallels to the wars we had here. There are similarities, sure, but there are differences too.

Amanda Allen4 said:Putin and his enemies aren't afraid of NATO because they know he isn't actually coming for them. NATO was nothing more than a convenient excuse to invade Ukraine.

The real motive is different. To them, Ukraine is just a province of Russia—much like how the Midwest is just another part of the States. They view Ukrainians as Russians, just as they view people from the Midwest as Americans. That is their core stance.

So, if they manage to conquer all of Ukraine—or even just a chunk of it—they will declare victory and claim the war is over. At least for now, anyway... though what happens next depends entirely on the massive consequences this war will have on them.

When there was a pro-Russian government in Kyiv, there were no attacks in Ukraine and no one was asking for Crimea back. Back then, most people in the West viewed Ukrainians as Russian allies, or at least as a similar nation. As for NATO not attacking Russia, Putin believes the opposite; he sees NATO as a threat, even before Ukraine became the focus. For Russia's positioning, Ukraine is simply a red line that was crossed. It isn't anything new; it was all signaled quite a while ago.

Susan Collins3 said:But what concessions are we even talking about here? I mean, if you look at it like Ukraine is basically just step one in a massive operation they've been plotting for over 15 years... any little concession is just a tiny nudge for Putin toward his actual goal. And that goal is kicking the USA and the UK off the European continent, getting back that old-school influence the USSR used to have in Europe, and eventually forcing the EU—specifically heavy hitters like Germany, France, and Italy—into a partnership under Russian control. So, yeah, every single move we let Putin make while he's actively attacking a sovereign nation is basically the death of international law. It’s like we're sliding back into some medieval way of settling things. And honestly, once we start dealing with these savages who offer nothing to civilization except death, destruction, and blackmail, the fallout is gonna be way worse. Is that really the vibe we want for the continent? I guess Merkel didn't get it and let this monster grow (though, personally, I think she knew exactly what was happening and played along), and now Macron doesn't seem to grasp it either. He’s forgetting how much damage their "friendly" attitude toward Russia caused after the global order fell apart—just look at how sneaky they were when they occupied Crimea with those unmarked soldiers and then actually bragged about it. Unfortunately, you can't just satisfy their appetite by giving up Donbas or Crimea, because that's just setting them up for the next move. That's why we gotta stop this mess at the very first step.

I suspect these megalomaniacal theories simply aren't grounded in reality. Even fifty Putins couldn't pull this off. It's pure fantasy. In my view, his actual objective is Ukraine—if not bringing it back into the Russian sphere of influence, then at least securing part of it as a buffer zone, keeping Ukraine out of NATO. Ultimately, Ukraine's pivot toward NATO is what triggered this Russian reaction. It's the red line Putin has been talking about for fifteen years.

Sandra Harris2 said:Jose Clark2, why do you view it as "sending millions to their deaths" instead of just "a million people fighting to survive"?

I don't recall saying we were sending a million people to die, though I might agree that some of them certainly will. As for survival—if that's what you mean—it's a grim thought.

If that's the case, then the whole thing feels like a desperate gamble by everyone involved.

Melissa Rivera5 said:So, imagine I just show up at your house and tell everyone they have to bow down to me, change their last names to mine, or else I’m gonna absolutely wreck them—dry, mind you, using nothing but a roll of toilet paper as a condom. What would you do then? Just sit there and take it, or try to fight back? Or maybe I tell you I’m gonna go ahead and wreck everyone regardless of whether you surrender, and then I’ll just write a piece in some local rag saying I wiped out half your family and took everything you own just because I felt like it, just so you know I'm not playing games. What’s the move? Would you fight to the bitter end just to feel like you helped, or just watch me destroy your whole family? This is mostly rhetorical, I guess, but based on what you wrote, it seems pretty obvious you’d be more than happy to let me do *anything* to your family as long as you stayed untouched.

I am at a loss for how to respond to such crude comparisons.

Arthur Miller7 said:They’d jump on Georgia or Moldova in a heartbeat—maybe not today, but eventually. It’s simple: once they see they can get away with it in Ukraine, why stop? It’s like asking if you’d turn down a massive raise at work—of course you would! Once they grab everything they set their sights on without even breaking a sweat, they’ll be looking right at the Baltics next. They'd definitely try. I mean, did Putin ever say he wanted NATO to back off? Did he ever claim Lithuania wasn't even a real country? Seriously, have you been sleeping through the last few months or what? You really think Tsar Vlad wouldn't take everything that's handed to him on a silver platter?

I find that hard to believe. If that were the case, they probably would have started with Lithuania or Moldova instead of Ukraine, which has been bracing itself since 2014.

Arthur Watson4 said:Think of it as a gesture of good faith.

Now the ball is in Ukraine's and the West's court to keep them comfortable.

Again, we have no idea why they retreated.

Arthur Miller7 said:If they're acting this cocky right now, it seriously scares the hell out of me. Like, what if we just handed them whatever "peace" terms they wanted immediately? I'm dying to know if they'd still be handing out passports in Georgia and Moldova, or if they'd already be eyeing the Baltic. Anyone who thinks they’d just stop at Ukraine clearly wasn't paying attention in class.

Why? Where in the Baltic? Would they attack NATO or Finland?

Melissa Rivera5 said:Concessions? Seriously? What are you even talking about, man? This whole thing kicked off because Putin basically claimed they aren't even a real nation to begin with. He tried to take out
Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his whole goal was to just swallow up all of Ukraine into Russia and wipe out their entire identity. So, like, what kind of concessions? Honestly, the Russians just need to bleed as much as possible.

At what cost? Through what kinds of evils and betrayals?

Arthur Watson4 said:Of course they shouldn't get any concessions, and they absolutely should lose this war—honestly, I hope they do.

And you know how they'd play it: they'd just claim they withdrew out of "goodwill," just like they did near Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Snake Island.

We still don't really know why those retreats happened.

hiddeneagle98 said:They’re basically rationing it just enough so that Russ doesn't lose his nerve and decides to start throwing tactical nukes around. Haven't you noticed how much they've been threatening to do that?

So, the West is walking this fine line where they try not to hand the Ukrainians anything powerful enough to just end the war on their own, opting instead to drip-feed them supplies bit by bit.
Because if they were to do that, in the broadest sense of the word, Russia would just play their "game changer" card and deploy those tactical nukes.

That’s really the logic behind the current strategy. The Ukrainians have to win this through sheer grit and hard work; they have to earn it. It has to look like their own resistance and their own victory. If the West just handed them advanced high-tech weapons on a silver platter, it would essentially force the West into a direct combat role in the war.

That's the real backstory here. This approach inevitably leads to a war of attrition, but let me be clear: this exhaustion isn't something the West is actually rooting for. I think everyone wants this to wrap up as fast as possible because the world is spiraling further into chaos every single day. But there just isn't a way around it...

The West can't leave these people hanging, but they also can't provide enough help to basically win the war for Ukraine.

Tactical nukes in this conflict seem almost inevitable. They won't target the West, obviously, but they will likely be used to force a total Ukrainian surrender. I wish I could be more optimistic, but I fear this scenario is playing out.

Susan Collins3 said:Look, the Russians aren't just gonna stop invading, destroying a sovereign nation, killing civilians, and committing mass war crimes on their own. And people actually expect us to respect that? Like, we're supposed to demand that Ukraine negotiates with actual terrorists? Just hand over half the country to start things off? Or deal with millions of Ukrainians being forced to give up their identity, their language, and their culture? That's basically what's happening because the Russians won't just pack up and leave Ukraine to end this war. They've already caused nearly a trillion dollars in damage, all because Putin wants to bring back the Soviet Union—or maybe even the Russian Empire—and reclaim all those former Warsaw Pact members that ran for the hills the second they got a chance to escape Russia. Honestly, trying to be "understanding" toward this kind of policy, or worse, actually respecting the views of the guy who started this whole mess of destruction... I don't know, it feels like it's leading us straight into total darkness for humanity.

It's obvious they won't pull out of Ukraine completely. Russ simply cannot afford to lose this war; they need concessions. If we don't give them what they want, what happens then?

Melissa Rivera5 said:Look, that whole "attack" argument is wild. It’s like saying you should help a friend instead of standing up to a bully who's beating them senseless. I mean, Putler was already complaining by the second day of the war that they hadn't just hung Zelenskyy and surrendered yet. Now, suddenly, the West is the bad guy because they're helping Ukraine? From their perspective, it’s making a quick victory harder. And then you get people saying, "Yeah, the Russians have a point, it would be awesome if they could just have a fast and easy win." Like, how messed up do you have to be to follow that kind of logic?

If that were a true friend, they would have forced Zelenskyy to meet certain Russian demands so this invasion and war wouldn't have happened in the first place. By listening to "well-meaning" advice, they only lose territory. It remains to be seen if they can reclaim it militarily. Even if they succeed, the total cost in lives, property, and the economy will be devastating. Actually, it already is.

Melissa Rivera5 said:I don't know, are we really out here calling for the war to end faster? This whole thing feels super morbidly cynical... like this Lavrovian push for Ukraine to just surrender, while blaming the West for dragging things out. It's honestly like someone trying to blame a victim for fighting back against an attacker, instead of just stopping until they get their way. And look, the poor thing is actually defending itself—with actual weapons, too. I guess if nobody made kitchen knives, maybe they wouldn't even be fighting back.

The comparison falls short. No one is blaming Ukraine for its defense; rather, the criticism is aimed at the supporters—the West—who provide just enough weaponry to prolong the conflict indefinitely, knowing full well that Russia won't back down. It essentially extends the duration of the struggle. The real question is: what price are Ukraine's allies willing to pay to save her, or are they simply fighting a proxy war on the backs of Ukrainians? Where does it end, and what is the true measure of balance?

Melissa Rivera5 said:The Russians could literally just stop right now by calling off the military operations and pulling back from their territory. It’s something that could happen basically this second, where every single unit is totally out of Ukraine by midnight tomorrow.

I assume you realize that isn't going to happen?