Posts by Nicole Vaughn70

Sending some support to a respected colleague who took just a little too long to finally take down one of those mythical monsters🕺

Hannah Brown7 said:What kind of rules apply to the "what to think about forum user" thread in a PDF titled off?
Hey, we're talking about the "what to think about forum user" thread—I wasn't posting in the politics section asking for opinions on military intervention in Syria! What are you even rambling about? 🙏

Don't play dumb, Nicole Vaughn70, please. I'm being totally friendly here! 👍

You're just ignoring the fact that even stuff labeled "off" on this forum still follows certain rules
And I'm only playing along because that's exactly what you're doing, my friend.

Hannah Brown7 said:This entire PDF is a total joke.

Honestly, my common sense won't let me sit here and be treated like some kind of Teletubby. I'm not taking it from the moderators, and I'm certainly not taking it from random forum users.

So, I think I'll just say goodbye to him instead...

Look, how can I even put this...
the choice is yours.🕺

Hannah Brown7 said:Possessive about what, exactly?

What am I even asking when I post "what to think about forum user: Nicole Vaughn70 and Nicole Vaughn70" and then some moderator swoops in to tell me I'm breaking the rules?

Maybe try actually considering the context of what we're discussing for once?

Sister, please, look at this.
You're posting on a forum that happens to have certain rules.
Do I personally like all those rules?
Khmmmm, I'd say no.
But that’s my own damn problem, not the forum's.
Then again, maybe I'm just an idiot who thinks all this nonsense actually makes sense.

Maybe we could all just try being a little less possessive to start with, shall we?

neonfox12 said:And what about other groups besides Jews and Roma?

How long were people of color kept in actual slavery? And look at how some of them are being treated even in this day and age.

Tell them your grandfather died in a concentration camp, too
He just slipped off the guard tower.🕺

bluemason3 said:motive: frustration with the "leftist" moderation on the politics board
trigger: René Bitorajac

+ larpurlartistic sidekicks

I had no idea this topic was such a massive umbrella term.😁

I’m honestly lost here
Is this thread actually about René Bitorajac?
Or is it about people deleting posts within the music discussion section?
Is this supposed to be a thread about Bradley Sanders4
Or is it just about how this forum is managed?
What on earth is the point of this thread?

Mark Harris66 said:Over 90% of the world's data isn't even online. And out of everything you *can* find on the web, nearly three-quarters is just the invisible web.
It’s wild to think that if something isn't posted online, it basically doesn't exist—right? (Not to mention, decent investigative journalism pretty much vanished a long time ago).
René started his first year of high school back in September 1986. The school was "Cezakum," the so-called "Culture" academy. Its successors today are the 2nd and 7th High Schools.
Where on earth are you going to find the school archives or entrance exam results from those years online?😁.
The proof is sitting in the school archives. Maybe that stuff has already been moved over to the State Archives...

Yeah,
I get where you're coming from,
but it's also a little weird.
You somehow have access to those archives
and managed to dig up all those specific details about René Bitorajac from them.

Mark Harris66 said:I’m definitely not one for censorship. René can say whatever he wants—really—but you shouldn't bash an entire society through broad generalizations. There’s such a thing as constructive criticism. It just felt wrong seeing someone who hasn't exactly been a role model themselves turn around and lecture everyone else...
That’s just plain hypocrisy.
Even the high school enrollment situation says a lot. The way he got in (along with those other "safety net" types) compared to all the students who went through the honest, transparent process—based on actual entrance exams and grades—sent a message that being dishonest actually pays off. He could have told parents he wouldn't be enrolling that way—especially since there were kids who could've pulled strings but didn't, choosing instead to go where they earned their spot via the exam.
A message like that teaches kids that dishonesty isn't punished—it's actually rewarded. How can we expect kids to stay moral when they learn that lesson so early? And then the same dishonest people wonder what's wrong with society, even though they aren't following its rules themselves. Not to mention that violent incident.
Honestly, that part really rubbed me the wrong way.
I condemn any crime, regardless of who commits it.
Someone mentioned Luka Bulić. If he had sung that song, I might not have said anything—since he does satirical songs about Americans too, and I'm all for free speech—but so far, there's no record of him committing a criminal offense, so let's just say his credibility is much higher.

First off, I haven't been able to find any relevant data proving his school enrollment was compromised.
I'm not saying it's a lie, but I haven't found a single reliable source online to back that claim up.
Secondly, why should one person be allowed to say something without facing censorship while someone else is shut down because they did something completely unrelated to the current situation?
Does this mean René for the rest of his life
no longer has the credibility to point out societal issues?

crimsonjackal63 said:I ovo:

CHICAGO — A famous actor René Bitorajac He’s heading back to the local municipal court soon—all because of that old parking lot blowout at the Los Angeles Convention Center back in April 2004, when... So, some parking attendant named Ivica Suton ended up with a broken arm—thanks to someone using a metal rod. Just another day in paradise, I guess.

René Bitorajac is... It’s already because of that attack on Suton. Sentenced to ten months of probation with a three-year suspended term....which basically means they aren't allowed to commit a crime during that window. Now, Suton—that actor—is actually out there demanding... $20 Regarding the compensation claim.

René Bitorajac is at it again—this time making waves around the local fairgrounds. It’s honestly becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it? He’s always stirring the pot, and frankly, I can't tell if he's doing it for the laughs or just to see how much chaos he can cause before someone steps in. He’s got that specific way of leaning into the controversy—kind of blunt, kind of loud—that makes you want to either cheer or roll your eyes, depending on how much coffee you've had. This latest stunt at the fair is classic René; he knows exactly which buttons to push to get everyone talking. It’s all part of the act, I suppose, but man, it definitely keeps things interesting. Just my 2 cents.

As far as I know, those three-year terms expired back in 2007.
Then there’s that musical release from 2016.
To me, those two things have absolutely zero connection.
And his current status as a "freelance artist"...
Let me repeat that: his *current* status as a freelance artist...
has nothing to do with that musical work.

William Bennett53 said:At first glance, this thread appears to be about censorship on the forum, but after scrolling through less than a page of posts, it becomes clear that we are actually witnessing a desire for societal censorship. Specifically, all the deleted posts focus exclusively on the individual who performed that little song number, starting with unverified claims that he got into high school through some sort of connection—which might be true or entirely fabricated, but frankly, it doesn't matter since he certainly wasn't pulling any strings as a teenager. As previously noted, numerous posts making similar claims about Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović were also removed. Comparing comments about Kolinda's weight to this isn't a valid parallel because: 1. nobody here is debating, for instance, René's baldness, 2. René isn't an official or even a politician, but an artist, so whether his record is spotless is irrelevant, and 3. Kolinda is a figure on the political stage; she is a politician and the president of our beautiful nation.

Furthermore, why do I believe this is about a desire to censor rather than an attempt to prevent it?

And then:

So, even though he isn't an official or a politician, he is expected to watch what he says. His moral responsibility stems from the fact that, as an actor, part of his income comes via a contract (which I assume isn't a standard employment contract) with a theater funded by the city, and since the city is a local government unit within the United States, essentially, the state is paying René. Following this logic, a janitor wouldn't be allowed to express an opinion publicly either if he works as a contractor sweeping floors at a stadium, simply because sports teams are funded by taxpayer dollars and the man is effectively on the government payroll.

Finally, because of all this, he shouldn't "contribute to negative societal trends," but rather "work for the general welfare." It seems "negative societal trends" are apparently created whenever someone dares to speak up against the nationalist-conservative mainstream. Thus, the issue isn't what René sings (about which he may or may not be right), but rather that his singing points it out. Should we stone the boy who shouts "the emperor has no clothes" just because he took a lollipop from the table without asking and shouldn't be helping people realize the emperor is naked?

In my view, deleting posts—which, having been done thousands of times, is the most standard moderator action to prevent a discussion from spiraling or being derailed—was entirely justified.

Maybe this could help 🕺
http://www.renebitorajac.com/?q=node/53

Mark Harris66 said:It’s not just random nonsense—that’s just a baseless assumption on your part. There’s actual evidence sitting right there in the school archives.
René is a public figure with a contract at the ZKM, which is funded by the City of Los Angeles. Since I live and work here in LA, a portion of my paycheck goes straight into the city budget that supports the ZKM. So, saying he isn't publicly funded is just plain wrong—and because of that, he carries a level of accountability to the public, just like anyone else getting a dime from city, county, or federal tax dollars. If he wasn't taking a single cent from any government entity, his moral responsibilities wouldn't be my business... but it’s pretty hypocritical to call out others while being violent himself. That song is completely at odds with how he actually behaves.
So why delete the post about the act of violence then?
Secondly, maybe they just scrubbed the tacky comments about Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović's weight (since they noted "especially nasty ones," implying the really ugly stuff stayed up), but her weight has zero to do with her political career. I don't care about anyone's size or looks—honestly, I think it's classless to publicly comment on whether someone is overweight, bald, or unattractive (people said those things about Zoran Milanović, which I also find tasteless and irrelevant to his job), etc. I don't even stoop to that level when talking about Kokošinjac.
I was told personally (you can see that post) that if I have grievances regarding someone's work, I should take it to the PZK sub-forum.

I read somewhere that René has been a freelance artist for the last five years.

Just so everyone is clear, I flagged this thread the second it was posted
But apparently, the mods couldn't care less about any of my reports

As if you could actually manage to get an appointment with a gynecologist who isn't currently out on vacation somewhere