2013 Monaco Grand Prix
in Formula 1 ·
Good grief, I don't think I've ever seen this much reverse driving in Formula 1 before. 😂
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Brian Campbell36 said:He’s trailing by nearly a full second... what kind of "tenths" are we talking about here? That's almost a whole second. 🤷
Jason Campbell70 said:If we take Nico Rosberg out of the equation...

stormybadger8 said:I'm talking about overtaking from the back, and as far as I know, he didn't actually overtake Sebastian Vettel☕
He just jumped him at the start because that Ferrari was lightning fast off the line, but after that, he completely blew it and lost the spot anyway.😁
stormybadger8 said:Give it a rest with those fanboy goggles already.🤦
Look at where Fernando Alonso actually is compared to Sebastian Vettel and then try telling me how someone who's several feet behind you can "squeeze" you.🙄
Nico Rosberg is the one closing the gap on Sebastian Vettel, who initially pulled to the right and then swerved left once he realized there was no room...
here's a clip from a different angle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW9d2Ot3uFw&t=0m20s
Unfortunately, we don't have the full start from an aerial view, but you can clearly see Fernando Alonso is nowhere near them...
if you can't see here that Rosberg is blocking Sebastian Vettel, rather than Sebastian Vettel being blocked by Fernando Alonso...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZHtQdKkBw
then I'm done. No amount of high-end eyewear is going to help you, let alone me trying to explain it.🤣
stormybadger8 said:He’s got a fantastic car this season; he’s clearly a specialist when things go sideways.
stormybadger8 said:Give it a rest with those fanboy goggles already.🤦
Look at where Fernando Alonso actually is compared to Sebastian Vettel and then try telling me how someone who's several feet behind you can "squeeze" you.🙄
Nico Rosberg is the one closing the gap on Sebastian Vettel, who initially pulled to the right and then swerved left once he realized there was no room...
here's a clip from a different angle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW9d2Ot3uFw&t=0m20s
Unfortunately, we don't have the full start from an aerial view, but you can clearly see Fernando Alonso is nowhere near them...
if you can't see here that Rosberg is blocking Sebastian Vettel, rather than Sebastian Vettel being blocked by Fernando Alonso...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZHtQdKkBw
then I'm done. No amount of high-end eyewear is going to help you, let alone me trying to explain it.🤣
stormybadger8 said:Whose pushing? What are you even talking about?😕
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZHtQdKkBw
Where on earth do you see anyone pushing or squeezing Fernando Alonso before that first turn?
Seriously, are we watching the same race or what?🤷
stormybadger8 said:See what I told you?
At the end of the day, overtaking right at the start isn't really connected to how people pass each other later in the race. It's a totally different beast...
What actually matters here is track position—whether you're on the clean side or the dirty side—and the quality of the car's launch procedure. After that, it's down to the driver and their control...
Besides, it wasn't exactly a shock that Ferrari would overtake Red Bull Racing if they had the clean side and Red Bull was stuck on the dirty side...
Honestly, it would’ve surprised me more if they hadn't passed them at the start. And frankly, I'm just glad Felipe Massa didn't lose his cool about it.🙂
Because let's be real, Ferrari is damn good off the line. Over the last few seasons, they've been better than the competition at starts roughly as much as Red Bull was better in a single qualifying lap back in 2011...
I can't even remember a single race where both Ferraris didn't gain at least one spot on the start...
stormybadger8 said:See what I told you?
At the end of the day, overtaking right at the start isn't really connected to how people pass each other later in the race. It's a totally different beast...
What actually matters here is track position—whether you're on the clean side or the dirty side—and the quality of the car's launch procedure. After that, it's down to the driver and their control...
Besides, it wasn't exactly a shock that Ferrari would overtake Red Bull Racing if they had the clean side and Red Bull was stuck on the dirty side...
Honestly, it would’ve surprised me more if they hadn't passed them at the start. And frankly, I'm just glad Felipe Massa didn't lose his cool about it.🙂
Because let's be real, Ferrari is damn good off the line. Over the last few seasons, they've been better than the competition at starts roughly as much as Red Bull was better in a single qualifying lap back in 2011...
I can't even remember a single race where both Ferraris didn't gain at least one spot on the start...
stormybadger8 said:I'm talking about overtaking from the back, and as far as I know, he didn't actually overtake Sebastian Vettel☕
He just jumped him at the start because that Ferrari was lightning fast off the line, but after that, he completely blew it and lost the spot anyway.😁
stormybadger8 said:🤦
Vettel has overtaken Kimi Raikkonen, Fernando Alonso, Nico Rosberg, Nico Hulkenberg, di Rest, and Felipe Massa on track...
Who has the Maestro actually beaten?
Valtteri Bottas, Pastor Maldonado, Jenson Button, Nico Rosberg, and Nico Hulkenberg. That’s basically it from anyone worth mentioning or capable of defending themselves, as far as I can remember...
And that's even considering Rosberg and Button spent just as much time in the pits as Alonso did and pitted the same number of times...
Obviously, what happened now in Bahrain is way better than last year in Abu Dhabi... going from the pit lane straight to the podium is total garbage and a sign of a driver who doesn't know how to pass, just like the US Grand Prix 2012...
Raymond Anderson4 said:Alonso managed to pass some slower cars without using DRS, but that isn't exactly rocket science. Most of them were just struggling because this year's Ferrari is simply faster than most of the field... it has incredible top speed and really solid traction.
Once he hit that elite group containing Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Sergio Perez, and Nico Rosberg, he hit a wall. He managed to get past Rosberg, but that was about it.
He couldn't close the gap to Sergio Perez at all; he was stuck a full second behind him the whole time.
Passing Pastor Maldonado without DRS isn't that impressive either, especially when you consider how many people were making overtakes in spots where DRS wasn't even allowed.
Walter Cox6 said:Jason Campbell70 As specified by Jerry Rogers6:
Otom-pot.
Considering the sheer number of mistakes Ferrari makes to rob him of wins and championships—not to mention the absolute junk they hand him to drive—it’s honestly a miracle he stays so calm.
There isn't a single shred of evidence. No signs of dissatisfaction with the crew, no anger, no frustration... absolutely nothing. Not even a trace of negativity to be found.
No, Alonso is perfectly calm because he’s the undisputed number one. Nobody on the team can even dream of outperforming him, let alone embarrassing him. Everyone there treats him like a god. To be honest, he couldn't care less about the titles—that would just be the icing on the cake for him.Samuel Ruiz4 As specified by Jerry Rogers6:
This is turning into some kind of vanity factory. It’s a head-on collision between two opposing philosophies: on one side, you have the Vettel devotees, and on the other, the Alonso fanatics. It’s reaching a point where it feels like every other driver on the grid doesn't even exist.
It’s an objective fact that Alonso can squeeze every bit of potential out of a subpar car, much like he did last season. And yes, let's be clear: in my view, even though Vettel has been a three-time champion over the last three years, he actually had the superior car. But honestly, man, it is absolutely exhausting to sit through the same endless, repetitive arguments race after race.
Look, it’s simple. You have the Alonso fans—the die-hard Ferraria loyalists—and then you have everyone else who just picks a side. Unfortunately, Vettel ends up being the primary target for those first group members. It’s a recurring pattern. We saw the exact same thing back in 2007 and 2008 when Lewis Hamilton was the one in the crosshairs. Back then, he didn't have a massive following yet, but he was constantly the subject of criticism from the Alonso and Ferraria crowd, especially after he spent those seasons consistently beating both Alonso in '07 and the Ferrari 08.
Walter Cox6 said:Jason Campbell70 As specified by Jerry Rogers6:
Otom-pot.
Considering the sheer number of mistakes Ferrari makes to rob him of wins and championships—not to mention the absolute junk they hand him to drive—it’s honestly a miracle he stays so calm.
There isn't a single shred of evidence. No signs of dissatisfaction with the crew, no anger, no frustration... absolutely nothing. Not even a trace of negativity to be found.
No, Alonso is perfectly calm because he’s the undisputed number one. Nobody on the team can even dream of outperforming him, let alone embarrassing him. Everyone there treats him like a god. To be honest, he couldn't care less about the titles—that would just be the icing on the cake for him.Samuel Ruiz4 As specified by Jerry Rogers6:
This is turning into some kind of vanity factory. It’s a head-on collision between two opposing philosophies: on one side, you have the Vettel devotees, and on the other, the Alonso fanatics. It’s reaching a point where it feels like every other driver on the grid doesn't even exist.
It’s an objective fact that Alonso can squeeze every bit of potential out of a subpar car, much like he did last season. And yes, let's be clear: in my view, even though Vettel has been a three-time champion over the last three years, he actually had the superior car. But honestly, man, it is absolutely exhausting to sit through the same endless, repetitive arguments race after race.
Look, it’s simple. You have the Alonso fans—the die-hard Ferraria loyalists—and then you have everyone else who just picks a side. Unfortunately, Vettel ends up being the primary target for those first group members. It’s a recurring pattern. We saw the exact same thing back in 2007 and 2008 when Lewis Hamilton was the one in the crosshairs. Back then, he didn't have a massive following yet, but he was constantly the subject of criticism from the Alonso and Ferraria crowd, especially after he spent those seasons consistently beating both Alonso in '07 and the Ferrari 08.