Posts by mellowhawk34

Sam Brown20 said:Did they get a ban or just an appeal? Because I know appeals don't fly for stuff like this.

That whole bit about Article 34a they're citing is so vague that District Court judges just interpret it however they want to slap a ban on anyone.

There's still an appeal headed to the Supreme Court, but personally, I’m not holding my breath.

It’s unbelievable that this can even happen, but when you're a fan in America, anything goes.

analogheron19 said:They unconstitutionally shoved this whole "offender database" thing into the fan law. They’re pulling bans based on records that are ten years old—even though legally, the rehabilitation period should be twice as long as any actual penalty. It doesn't even matter if you were actually prosecuted or just convicted; they don't care.

Basically, the Constitution is being ignored because people are getting banned for things they already answered for (double jeopardy is a real thing, after all) or for stuff they weren't even convicted of. The Constitution says everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a final court ruling, but clearly, that doesn't apply here.

The cops request these bans based on these "famous" records, often making up offenses entirely. Judges don't bother checking the facts, so they just hand out new bans based on nothing but hearsay.

Has anyone actually been hit with a ban based on this crap lately?

I’ve never been charged with anything under the fan law, yet I'm sitting in their system since 2005. Now they’re trying to slap me with a year-long ban and force me to check in with the police.

Wishing a speedy recovery to the guys who got hurt. Hopefully, everyone will be back together soon, cheering on Real Madrid from the north stands without any jerks ruining the vibe.

Patrick Johnson53 said:here's mellowhawk34

😁

Are you actually sure how he disappeared?
Like, 100% certain?
Look, speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I can tell you he didn't get taken in some brawl. It was pure trickery. But I'm never telling you exactly how it went down.

@Raymond Booth55/">@@Raymond Booth55
That’s exactly the point. You guys don't even know when or where that Boulder banner actually fell, or if another one could just drop like that again. As long as there's a chance something ends up back in our hands, I'm staying quiet.

@NŽ
See, you can be objective after all. Look, I get it—it's annoying when people write nonsense. But as a real fan, you should stay above the fray and not get dragged into petty arguments with just anyone. Sure, we poke fun at each other, but let's not let the conversation spiral out of control.
I'll give you credit, you were there. But what were the Demons supposed to do? Tear down Savannah or something? This is just unnecessary hype and tension before the big derby this Saturday.

@Raymond King47/">@@Raymond King47
Nobody from our side messed anything up, so talking about "what ifs" is just pointless.
We were right there, pushing into VG territory while facing a seriously formidable squad. Honestly, maybe you had your best lineup for those kinds of moves, but you know damn well our reaction caught you totally off guard.
If you actually look at the facts, the idea that someone could face consequences because some innocent bystanders were caught in the middle is complete nonsense.

loneridge23 said:So what’s the story now? Why didn't you jump us in front of Joyce, and why were you chasing that one guy afterward?
Funny how your crew wasn't good enough back then—it was a mixed bag with plenty of older guys... but now that some thugs are showing up, suddenly you want the veterans.
Talk about double standards. It's not your game, so it's not our business when you guys got banned from playing Orijent on Wednesday.

Look, I already told you, we had our own game going on.
Back then, we played at 1 PM while San Francisco played at 3 PM just to keep the schedules clear.
Basically, before the San Francisco-Seattle match, we were hanging out on the north stands at Drozina. After the game, word from non-fans was that you guys were looking for our cafe, so we headed there, ran into a scout, and then the cops grabbed us.

Drew Robinson4
What haven't we decked? That's a stupid question because it's way too broad..
We've gone after yours, the Seattle locals, the Osage natives, whatever.. and we've taken hits from all of them too. We've still been standing since 1992.

We bleed green and yellow, wearing the crest that says California.

bluewalker92 said:OUR SEATTLE SOUNDERS FC—THE TEAM WE LIVE AND DIE FOR, WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE A ROCK TO THE HEAD FROM SOME INSECURE IDIOT.

God forbid.

But honestly, someone could just as easily die from those rockets you guys used to have.
Maybe ask your buddies how things went the last time they fired off all their missiles at the Demons.

Besides, calling people Mexicans like they're some kind of demons is just pathetic. You know your own stands well enough to realize we’re just as much Mexican as you are. But hey, if that makes you feel better, go right ahead. We aren't insecure enough to need to prove ourselves as "super Americans"—we already know exactly who we are.

Drew Robinson4 said:The worst part is that I don't even care about any other groups besides mine, but when people start overplaying their hand in this online ego trip, it’s always those California hordes who think they can solve everything effortlessly just by being obnoxious.
A few questions for them:
- Who do you actually root for?
- Who haven't you absolutely crushed?
- Where does your growth actually end?
- Which group is this even meant to be?

Later!

p.s. Are you guys that group that heads to San Francisco via Krapina after an away game in Aurora using a van and a Fiat Punto?

p.s.s. Just quit the bullshit already....

Reddit is a joke.
Any idiot can sign up and pretend they're the big shot of their group.
But honestly, it's just a reflection of our whole scene. If we had one decent forum from any of our groups—like that attempt with UltrasAmerica—we'd actually know who's behind which handle instead of this childish bickering.
The Torcidin forum used to be the best we had, too bad it's gone.

Anyway, look at how many posts on the Demon board come from just a handful of people.
That's 90% of the people who actually show up to games and know what they're talking about. They aren't keyboard warriors like the others.
We still have a long way to go before we hit our peak, but we have everything we need to level up.

Don't worry about our main crew; if you're actually man enough, just call out the thieves and the agents within your own group and move in the right direction. Stop letting a tiny handful of people ruin everything for you. You guys should know better than anyone how to get moving again.

After that trip to Aurora, you probably realized we're not easy targets. Your squad is pathetic compared to ours.😉

loneridge23 said:@mellowhawk34/">@@mellowhawk34 We ended up facing a brick wall that basically kicked us out of town after the game, then we had a party in Sedona... you guys weren't even thinking straight.

Not everyone. Three cars drove past the cafe, saw the cops shaking us down on the street, and just kept going.

I'm not getting into arguments because they never end.

But I will say this: our recent record is better. Over the last few years, Aspen and Boulder have folded, we won fights near Walmart and Monte Carlo, and you didn't show up to San Francisco after the TE brawl.
But hey, who's on top today doesn't matter; things can flip by tomorrow.
Both sides are just regrouping until the next showdown.

bluewalker92 said:@Jacob Richardson4/">@@Jacob Richardson4

What do you mean fifteen no-shows?? As far as I know, the only time we skipped was that first friendly after Monte Zaro. And there was a perfectly valid excuse for that one—it was a workday, and thirty of our guys had just been slapped with 10 $0.00 fines because of Monte Zaro. Then, at the very next match against you guys—some weekend tournament right after that missed friendly—our crew rolls up in a van.

That Wednesday friendly in California was the only time in forever we didn't show up, if you don't count when the national team played friendlies (which you guys don't follow, so you wouldn't understand) or those times they played two or three games in a week or two and we couldn't make them all.

Quick question for all the demons and their mouthpieces on this forum. Is it the same group of people causing trouble and posting here, or do you have separate fighters and propaganda experts? And what’s the hourly rate for this defense job? Who’s footing the bill—the management at the local Cali team or the brass over at General Dynamics?

Look, man, I'll give you the answer.

The game before you guys got wrecked at Walmart (about 3-4 days prior), you weren't anywhere near Key West.
After Monte Zaro and those 10 $0.00 fines our guys took, we come to you. You don't come to us.

Same season, a friendly in Sedona, and you're nowhere to be found.

A year ago in Valkane, you're MIA.

In Santa Monica for the winter cup, you play the first day right after our match, you don't show up. You play the second day before us, we arrive, and you're gone.

This summer, you play twice in Santa Monica and once in Monterey, and you only show up for one game.

You weren't even in the Rovinj village for nine months last year, etc...

Here's everything I can remember in two minutes...

@čečen, you were there with the Golden Boys.
But that year you were playing San Diego, and nobody from your side even made an attempt on us that day. We were busy with our own third-league stuff and didn't even notice you. But once word got out after the game that you were looking for our usual spot, I sprinted over like a scout to check things out. By the time you reached the cafe, the cops had us pinned down.

@NŽ
There were 30 of you in Sonoma, so don't act like you're big shots now. You're acting crazy, but if you'd actually taken a beating, you'd be claiming you were just kids.
Get real and stop talking trash. Everyone knows we're running circles around you, and lately, the matchups have been going our way.

bluewalker92 said:@2802
You've got a point, you guys were the first ones to leak it. Haven't heard the song, but I saw the flags on two poles. Regardless of whether it's original, we should note it wasn't ripped from us, considering the song was pushed by some guy who showed up dead drunk to Central Park at 35 years old and started singing "oh man, I feel terrible."

Cut the nonsense. Are you saying any drunk idiot can push a song just because he's over 35? Is that what respect looks like now?

It's like it doesn't matter if the Bad Boys, the Tornado, or the Demons sing it, because your guy showed up wasted and things were a mess at Grace, so now it's fine? Doesn't matter if it's spontaneous🙄, and then you're the first one talking trash about the Cohort for copying the Apocalypse from you, as if it wasn't spontaneous on their end too?
If someone actually listened to your songs and said, "Let's copy this because those guys are actually hardcore fans,"🤷🤣
Get off your high horse. Like the song says: "the higher they fly, the harder they fall."
And the Demons hit rock bottom a long time ago; now they’re just flapping their wings whenever there's an opportunity.😍

Listen up, folks...
Everything is going downhill..
We’re losing our edge, leaving us with nothing to do but live vicariously through our neighbors (you know how that goes)😁😲😂😍...
Meanwhile, you all just keep ripping off songs; a loud voice carries far enough😉

The golden path leads me...😂

We were just kids back then, listening to whatever the older crowd told us. A few people pushed for keeping things civil, but in the end, the aggressive crowd won out.😁

Kenneth Campbell64, if I remember correctly, you scored a goal too, right?😉

Raymond Booth55 said:Go ahead and ask the New Yorker about those club flags when you get a chance. I wouldn't say anything if I wasn't absolutely certain, and I know this firsthand, not from some second-hand rumor.

New Yorker😁 was right there with me on the bus heading to ST when this whole thing resurfaced. People who were actually there—the ones who supposedly grabbed those flags—are saying nothing was ever returned. They didn't even take them in the first place, mark my words. So there was no "returning" them because they never had them. Unless ten different people in that van are all lying at once.
Z😁 wasn't part of the action, but he definitely knows what went down.
And there was someone else on that bus, one of those guys you called at home and threatened back when Forza Fiume vanished, thinking we had their stuff too.😍
The bottom line is the people involved are saying nothing was returned.

It’s stupid to compare our hardcore crews to those regular types. Back then, you had groups of maybe ten guys with enough grit to actually be called a crew. Of course, as the scene evolved, people got smarter, so those numbers started dropping.
When I first heard the rumors about things being returned, I checked with D. V. directly. Ten different people can testify that he says nothing was ever given back. Sure, they were constantly calling his house and making threats—that part is true—but nothing was actually returned.
There were plenty of other people in the mix too. You really think they’d drive around with a hundred flags at a Streetwise show and nobody would notice?
They grabbed those few small signs specifically because the heavy-duty banners from the big crews were too much to carry. That’s how Streetwise and the Handball kickers ended up holding them by accident.

jadestag20 said:Did I read that right? You’re actually claiming that... Brady. Really? That just shows exactly how much you actually know about this and why you have zero business typing here.
How pathetic do you have to be to brag about some piece of cloth, Picante? Even our own excuses sound stupid. A rag is just a rag, and acting like otherwise is an insult to actual rags.

mellowhawk34, why don't you finally explain how Brady "fell apart"? I've been watching the last three pages and it looks like everyone's dodging the question out of pure embarrassment. I'm guessing this post will get ignored too.

And how qualified do you actually think you are? Get real.
You guys lost your minds yesterday when Brady got kicked out. She's been washed up for ages, but you were all too blind to see it, while the people actually in charge are just playing dumb. It’s clearly an inside job within the group—nobody's going to step up and take the blame.
Pike was pretty consistent at home, and I’m pretty sure he even snagged a few road wins before they brought in that rule about only using strikers.

bluewalker92 said:The Armada keeps moving forward. Some of us will make sure we can always say that at no point in history were the Portland Demons ever better than the San Francisco Armada...

I already gave you a detailed answer, but @casual firm edited my post.
If you actually want to know something, hit me up in a DM. Most of this was just about the street scene.

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bluewalker92 says: @Zdenko I don't have the energy to address everything, but I have to touch on this comparison of "impactful" banners. Fine, you did a decent job, and the fact is you managed to match a few of our banners over the last decade in your own pathetic way. But comparing a banner you stood behind at every away game before you folded, to one of our secondary ones, is just stupid—especially since yours collapsed during a direct clash with the top crews. And how "impactful" our San Francisco Armada banner actually was is proven by the fact that none of our guys even noticed you hadn't returned it amidst all the other stuff you stole by breaking into our clubhouse... which you finally gave back after a threatening phone call, and then waited ten years to dare show it again... Bottom line, you scored a point in this matchup, but one win doesn't make a season. The Armada moves on, and we’ll be right here making sure that at no point in the history of the American scene were the Pulaski Demons ever better than the San Francisco Armada... Dominance on the fanu> scene isn't earned by stealing banners, and a couple of rags can't change the past or the future!!

What do you mean "pathetic way"?
A loss is a loss. Obviously, losing in a fight carries more weight, but why were you guys celebrating so hard when you stole from Martha's Vineyard? You took an opportunity, and that's it.
You were twelve years old when the Kiracs fell, along with those small-time groups like the Handball Kickers and VK Ulica. How can you talk about anything being "returned" when nothing was ever given back to you? Wasn't the Kirac crew heavy hitters back then? If anything had actually been returned, you would have been hunting for it; you couldn't forget them. Someone in your group made that up, and over the years, a myth about this "return" was born.

The streets don't decide the fate of a specific group once all the different factions come together. But let's be real: everyone remembers who beat whom up, not who had a cool choreo or if they cheered for 80 or 90 minutes.

I'll be the first to say the Armada is ahead of us. I won't list the reasons why I think that.
But give us a few seasons in the big leagues—since everyone obsesses over results anyway—give us our home section, and then you can judge our work.

Austin Watson38 said:Did the Demon 3 Group beat you guys down again?😁😍

I wish there was actually someone around to deal with, but since there isn't a single soul left from the old crowd in Rijeka, we're just stuck here bickering among ourselves like civilized people.