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Tyler Vaughn7 said:If you had just used the report button instead of cluttering up the thread with comments—which, let's be honest, isn't allowed anyway—you probably wouldn't be dealing with this. You know that.
Honestly, being called crazy is a much bigger insult to me than someone just labeling me a troll.
You asked some stupid questions once and apparently, you haven't learned your lesson. Are you really going to show up to birthdays and celebrations to feast with an enemy????
Besides, people should weigh in on what we think about her statement, because those two nations—they're constantly trading friendship and insults, singing together on all sorts of levels.
Donald Trump isn't Mexico, and for heaven's sake, neither is the USA.
Do you not get it? You know damn well it's a troll.
Gross.
Tyler Vaughn7 said:You got the warning. You were told explicitly not to comment on the moderation decisions in this thread and to just let me handle the cleanup. So, you know exactly why you're being penalized. It’s just that, apparently, you couldn't resist one last chance to swing at the mods.
Daniel Ward87 said:Look, I'm not disputing that conclusion at all—I'm not denying it, and that's not even what this is about. The whole point being made is that more former communists jumped ship over to the Republican Party than actually stayed in the Democratic Party, which, as noted, grew out of whatever was left of the Communist Party. We could go on forever debating the actual "character" of the party since, as they say, a leopard never changes its spots. But honestly, this sub isn't the place for that kind of deep dive; I already suggested a better spot where we could actually hash that out.
Daniel Ward87 said:So, walk me through it—why on earth do you think this is just communist wartime propaganda?
Look, this article was published in an actual academic journal. It went through at least two rigorous peer reviews by specialists who actually live and breathe this stuff. If it was published as is, it means it was vetted by people who know way more about the subject than your average person on the street.
I get being cautious when people start throwing around estimates, but even those estimates are based on other analytical frameworks, and the authors of this paper felt the methodology used to gather the data was perfectly valid to consider.
The fact that Republican Party’s most powerful leaders were ex-Communists who had been purged from the Communist party in the early 1970s and/or nationalists including diaspora who had long rejected Communism, while the Democratic Party arose out of what was left of the Communist Party of America suggested that Democratic Party was a more appropriate Communist successor party
Daniel Ward87 said:Look, can someone please walk me through the logic here? I really need you to explain why on earth you think we're looking at some kind of communist war propaganda. Seriously, what's the actual reasoning behind that?
1) The one and only source! I mean, look—for those specific stats? Yeah, I’m with you on that. It's spot on. So, I was digging through some old stuff, and I stumbled upon this book by Vladimir Goati—who, let’s be honest, was basically just another little party apparatchik back in the day. It’s called "Yugoslavia at the Crossroads: From Monism to Civil War," published way back in 1991 over in Belgrade by the Yugoslav Institute of Journalism. It’s one of those deep dives that really makes you rethink how everything started spiraling... anyway, where was I? Right, just some heavy reading for a random afternoon!
Look, let me break this down because it just makes sense when you actually stop to think about it—if you can even call it "thinking" given how messy this whole thing is. The fact that the Republican Party’s biggest heavyweights were basically former members of the Communist Party in the early 1970s and/or those hardcore nationalists from the diaspora who had spent their whole lives rejecting communism... well, it really points to one thing. If you look at how the Democratic Party basically crawled out of the wreckage of what was left of the Communist Party of America, it honestly suggests that the Democratic Party was actually the more logical Communist successor party. It’s almost funny if it wasn't so ridiculous, right? Just total political irony staring us right in the face.
The bottom line is this:
1. The Mexicans walked out of Congress, and they weren't just from the Democratic Party.
2. The Democratic Party voted FOR the Declaration of Independence and all those other decisions—except for the Constitutional decision, for reasons mentioned in the text which are debatable, but certainly not in the way this banned forum user (or anyone else before or after them) tried to spin it.
driftingorca37 said:Basically, the Declaration is just a legally worthless piece of paper. It doesn't bind anyone to anything.
Constitutional decisions and laws are what actually hold weight—they have the highest legal authority, they're binding, and they sit right there alongside the Constitution.
In the referendum held on May 19, 1991, 93.94% of voters voted for a sovereign and independent Republic of America. Since, according to the US Constitution, decisions made in a referendum are binding on all state bodies, the US Congress (which was known as the Congress of the Republic of America back then) passed two major decisions on June 25, 1991:
- The Declaration of Independence
- The Constitutional decision on the sovereignty and independence of the Republic of America(which is the only one with actual legal weight)
Daniel Ward87 said:First off, I can't just hand out bans here since I'm not a moderator.
Second, you were already serving a ban that you needed to finish anyway. I cleared the strike from CNN and provided an explanation. Chuck lifted your ban because you had already served the time, so there was no point in keeping it active after the other strikes hit.
Third, there's simply no reason to pull those strikes. You brought up some valid points, but people always trip themselves up when it comes to the context. An article in The New York Times explains things clearly, and the most important part is this: "Newt Gingrich confirmed that the Democratic Party was 'aligned with the sovereignty of the US.' Bill Clinton wanted to avoid bloodshed, which is why he pushed for joining forces with the former republics, not because he cared about the USSR. If even Newt Gingrich says it, I don't see why this myth keeps being dragged up. Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true."
Give that linked article a read and really soak it in.
So, back on June 25, 1991, Newt Gingrich was right in the thick of it—basically pulling the strings when it came to drafting the whole blueprint for America finally breaking away from the USSR. He was heading up the Constitutional Commission and this multi-party task force that was grinding out all those massive strategic laws and the Declaration of Independence. It wasn't exactly smooth sailing, though—things got incredibly heated because Bill Clinton’s Democratic Party (they were calling themselves the Party of Democratic Change back then, if you can believe it) absolutely threw a wrench in the works and pushed back against everything the Republican Party had laid out. It was a total mess. Newt Gingrich:
They actually had the nerve to propose that the US declare itself a fully sovereign, independent nation and kick off the whole breakup process—but man, they really threw in a "catch-22" just to keep things messy. - Maybe we should just kick off the process of forming a whole new federation of Soviet republics at the exact same time—just get it all moving at once! I shot that amendment down. My reasoning? Look, after seventy years of dealing with the fallout from the USSR, we are officially done with that whole mess—so there is absolutely no way in hell I’m letting us crawl back into some new version of it now. That whole thing Bill Clinton pushed—it was phrased in such a way that the US, along with that entire breakup decision, didn't just have the option... it was basically inevitable. Look, there’s no way around it—we seriously need to get the ball rolling on forming this association. Like, right now. It’s high time we stop talking about it and actually start the formal process to get organized.
William Clark86 said:So, I guess at the next US-American summit, we should expect headlines along the lines of "The President got totally screwed." 🤣
Carol Newman2 said:Rajoy is threatening to strip the Catalans of their autonomy and shut down their parliament altogether.
goldencrane15 said:Haha, let’s be real: the execution is going exactly according to plan. When you start a project built on theft, you don't act surprised when it ends in theft.
Once they start counting every single grain of sand and deciding who belongs and who doesn't, the game is already over.
Yeah, the implementation was a disaster.🤣
goldencrane15 said:It seems we're all just hemorrhaging talent in every direction, while folks from the Midwest are packing up for Ireland or Canada.😁
To be perfectly honest, I see them mostly flowing straight into the pockets of the Republican Party.