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Daniel Ramirez3 said:I don't think this is really about whether True Detective is high quality or not; it’s more about whether taking an idea from another movie actually makes it less valuable.
I have to admit, I haven't seen that British film yet, but maybe I'll check it out tomorrow. If you don't mind, could you briefly let me know which specific elements True Detective took from it?
Daniel Ramirez3 said:Well, yeah, if you just cherry-pick facts to fit whatever narrative you want, I guess.👍
Daniel Ramirez3 said:Top-tier trolling, honestly. 🙏
Daniel Ramirez3 said:In Fistful of Dollars Leon and the screenwriters signed the film as their own,and nowhere are Kurosawa and Kikush mentioned. Nowhere!
By your logic, that would be theft in the case of True Detective, but in Fistful of Dollars, it's just a remake, I guess.🤦
Anyway, Leone is one of my favorite directors, and I honestly don't have an issue with him taking someone else's idea and making it his own—it doesn't diminish his talent at all.
And I don't really get why that would take away from True Detective
which is such a great series.
For example, Alien was heavily inspired by the movie IT! The Terror Beyond Space (1958), but nobody thinks that makes the movie any less good.
Or even The Magnificent Seven; we know which movie it was based on, but since Kurosawa & co aren't in the credits, nobody claims the movie is garbage.
But hey, feel free to keep using those double standards.👍
Zachary Nguyen2 said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dollars
The film Has been identified as an unofficial remake of The Akira Kurosaw film Yojimbo, which led to a successful lawsuit by Toho.
Kurosaw insisted that Leon Had made "a fine movie, but it was MY movie."[25] Leone ignored the lawsuit at first, but they eventually settled out of court. He reportedly paid 15% of the worldwide receipts of a Fistful of Dollars and over $100,000.
It was a total rip-off.
Daniel Ramirez3 said:Wait a second, Shadow Dancer is saying it doesn't matter if it's a remake or plagiarism, and then you're telling them it *does* matter because they legally bought the rights and signed everything, so there's a massive distinction.Those were your exact words.
But now you're saying the rights aren't important and that it's just a remake to you. 👏
If you don't care about the legal side of things, why did you even bring it up in the first place???
Directed by Sergio Leone
Produced by Arrigo Colombo
Giorgio papa
Screenplay by Victor Andrés Catena
Jamie Comas Gil
Sergio Leone
Story by A. Bonzzoni
Victor Andrés Catena
Sergio Leone
Based on Yojimbo
by Akira Kurosawa
Ryuzo Kikushima (uncredited)
Daniel Ramirez3 said:I guess you're saying it isn't technically a remake if they didn't officially buy the rights. You really gotta pick a side there!
I guess what really makes people say Leone is just a plagiarist and that A Fistful of Dollars isn't actually worth much.
Daniel Ramirez3 said:I guess you're saying it isn't technically a remake if they didn't officially buy the rights. You really gotta pick a side there!
I guess what really makes people say Leone is just a plagiarist and that A Fistful of Dollars isn't actually worth much.
Daniel Ramirez3 said:Since Leone didn't actually have the rights to remake Yojimbo—and I think Kurosawa even sued him over it—it's basically straight-up plagiarism. So, I guess I'm wondering, does that make Leone a worthless director?
Daniel Ramirez3 said:But what does that even have to do with the actual quality of True Detective?
By that logic, is A Fistful of Dollars just a worthless rip-off, and is Leone some amateur plagiarist?
I won't even get started on John Carpenter, David Cronenberg, Brian De Palma, the Coen Brothers, or the huge list of others who weren't afraid to make a really solid remake...
shadowangler50 said:No, you're the one getting it wrong.
Both the series and the movie are works of art.
According to you, quality doesn't matter, whether it's a rip-off doesn't matter—nothing matters as long as people watch it. Sorry, but if that's your logic, you might as well watch paint dry on a wall.
Aside from the fact that I've lost count of how many times I've pointed out that these shows have been embraced by both audiences and critics as high quality. High viewership is just another fact that confirms this. Viewership alone doesn't guarantee quality, but it isn't meaningless either. To you, popularity is absolutely negligible.We judge the value of a work based on the creator's talent.
A plagiarist isn't a creator.
The original has value; the imitation is worthless.
As if every movie is an original; half of them are stolen. I recently read that The Matrix was accused of plagiarism, that they'd sue James Cameron. Well, everyone will become worthless if that actually proves true.
If The Matrix hadn't been made by the people who made it, if James Cameron hadn't done what he did for those films, they wouldn't be what they are. Those people created something valuable; they are talented.Everything has been seen before, but someone calling themselves an artist must present what has been seen in an unseen way.
In art, it isn't about what but rather how.
And wasn't True Detective presented in an unseen way? It’s precisely because of how it was presented that the series is such a success.You're just guessing because you're judging a work you haven't even watched.
Save your "legal fundamentals" for a courtroom; we're discussing art here.
I didn't watch it, and even if I had, it isn't my place (nor yours) to decide that. I'm not guessing; I'm simply saying that's an assumption you can't present as a fact.
The one who decides that is a court. You see, even the law can dictate art.I am the one saying the authors of TD leaned heavily on a British series. However, their show has much more serious issues than just minorly lifting from another author. A good series needs more than just great actors. Not to mention the catastrophic finale and the fact that the series essentially has no ending.
What about the cinematography? What about the style?
The series is good because of the pervasive atmosphere of pessimism and nihilism; it's quite
dark, which draws people in and makes them think. The last episode isn't on par with the rest, but I don't think that's enough to ruin the whole series. The show provided something new, and it was recognized as quality by both audiences and critics.
The cinematography affects the atmosphere of the series. I don't know if it's original, but it is masterfully executed.
shadowangler50 said:No, you're the one getting it wrong.
Both the series and the movie are works of art.
According to you, quality doesn't matter, whether it's a rip-off doesn't matter—nothing matters as long as people watch it. Sorry, but if that's your logic, you might as well watch paint dry on a wall.
Aside from the fact that I've lost count of how many times I've pointed out that these shows have been embraced by both audiences and critics as high quality. High viewership is just another fact that confirms this. Viewership alone doesn't guarantee quality, but it isn't meaningless either. To you, popularity is absolutely negligible.We judge the value of a work based on the creator's talent.
A plagiarist isn't a creator.
The original has value; the imitation is worthless.
As if every movie is an original; half of them are stolen. I recently read that The Matrix was accused of plagiarism, that they'd sue James Cameron. Well, everyone will become worthless if that actually proves true.
If The Matrix hadn't been made by the people who made it, if James Cameron hadn't done what he did for those films, they wouldn't be what they are. Those people created something valuable; they are talented.Everything has been seen before, but someone calling themselves an artist must present what has been seen in an unseen way.
In art, it isn't about what but rather how.
And wasn't True Detective presented in an unseen way? It’s precisely because of how it was presented that the series is such a success.You're just guessing because you're judging a work you haven't even watched.
Save your "legal fundamentals" for a courtroom; we're discussing art here.
I didn't watch it, and even if I had, it isn't my place (nor yours) to decide that. I'm not guessing; I'm simply saying that's an assumption you can't present as a fact.
The one who decides that is a court. You see, even the law can dictate art.I am the one saying the authors of TD leaned heavily on a British series. However, their show has much more serious issues than just minorly lifting from another author. A good series needs more than just great actors. Not to mention the catastrophic finale and the fact that the series essentially has no ending.
What about the cinematography? What about the style?
The series is good because of the pervasive atmosphere of pessimism and nihilism; it's quite
dark, which draws people in and makes them think. The last episode isn't on par with the rest, but I don't think that's enough to ruin the whole series. The show provided something new, and it was recognized as quality by both audiences and critics.
The cinematography affects the atmosphere of the series. I don't know if it's original, but it is masterfully executed.
shadowangler50 said:No, you're the one getting it wrong.
Both the series and the movie are works of art.
According to you, quality doesn't matter, whether it's a rip-off doesn't matter—nothing matters as long as people watch it. Sorry, but if that's your logic, you might as well watch paint dry on a wall.
Aside from the fact that I've lost count of how many times I've pointed out that these shows have been embraced by both audiences and critics as high quality. High viewership is just another fact that confirms this. Viewership alone doesn't guarantee quality, but it isn't meaningless either. To you, popularity is absolutely negligible.We judge the value of a work based on the creator's talent.
A plagiarist isn't a creator.
The original has value; the imitation is worthless.
As if every movie is an original; half of them are stolen. I recently read that The Matrix was accused of plagiarism, that they'd sue James Cameron. Well, everyone will become worthless if that actually proves true.
If The Matrix hadn't been made by the people who made it, if James Cameron hadn't done what he did for those films, they wouldn't be what they are. Those people created something valuable; they are talented.Everything has been seen before, but someone calling themselves an artist must present what has been seen in an unseen way.
In art, it isn't about what but rather how.
And wasn't True Detective presented in an unseen way? It’s precisely because of how it was presented that the series is such a success.You're just guessing because you're judging a work you haven't even watched.
Save your "legal fundamentals" for a courtroom; we're discussing art here.
I didn't watch it, and even if I had, it isn't my place (nor yours) to decide that. I'm not guessing; I'm simply saying that's an assumption you can't present as a fact.
The one who decides that is a court. You see, even the law can dictate art.I am the one saying the authors of TD leaned heavily on a British series. However, their show has much more serious issues than just minorly lifting from another author. A good series needs more than just great actors. Not to mention the catastrophic finale and the fact that the series essentially has no ending.
What about the cinematography? What about the style?
The series is good because of the pervasive atmosphere of pessimism and nihilism; it's quite
dark, which draws people in and makes them think. The last episode isn't on par with the rest, but I don't think that's enough to ruin the whole series. The show provided something new, and it was recognized as quality by both audiences and critics.
The cinematography affects the atmosphere of the series. I don't know if it's original, but it is masterfully executed.
vivideagle7 said:👍 Brigitte Bardot is just stunning in that one. Then again, she’s always 😁

vivideagle7 said:A little off-topic here. I've got this one on my watchlist... I absolutely adore Jean Gabin. What's the verdict on this movie?



