Edward Reed69 said:Look, none of us here are divided, and Angela Wright hasn't split us apart either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and perspective. However, I don't quite follow your comment about how we should throw all our resources at finding a cure for cancer if possible... Just think about it for a second. If such a cure actually existed, would the billionaires, the politicians, and people like them still be dying? At least they can afford everything the rest of us common folk cannot. In my view, when an alternative "helps" someone, it just means that every organism is an individual; everyone reacts differently, but we shouldn't generalize based on that. How could those of us just sitting in the grass find a cure for cancer when experts who spend years researching this field haven't found one? I don't mean to offend anyone, but I honestly think you've dug yourself into a hole and are clinging to your beliefs like a drunk sailor. Man, my husband tried an alternative approach and it didn't work. There isn't some local herbalist or neighborhood healer who can fix cancer with roots and weeds. As for the findings various herbalists use to prove their therapies work, I don't buy into that at all. I saw similar "proof" back in the US with a guy I visited. All he had were photocopies. It's easy to forge all of that for profit, and when I asked for phone numbers of the people he supposedly cured, he couldn't provide them.... Does your local healer hand out contact info for his former patients? I doubt it....
Believe me when I say I am ten times more skeptical than anyone else here. I don't trust either side until I have verified things for myself. I know why I am saying all this. I haven't gone into the details, nor will I do so on a "public" forum where anyone can read it; I have no intention of exposing someone else's deepest privacy to the world. But everything I am discussing has a deep background—much deeper than any of you realize. I don't know if he provides them or if he even has them, but I would love to see that investigated! But who is going to do it? I don't believe anyone will actually go there to investigate and verify him, though it would be a good idea. You are misinterpreting my messages, and I won't sit here explaining myself further. The only question that persists through my posts here is this: if a doctor tells you they have exhausted every possible treatment option and believes they can no longer help you, will you believe them 100%, or will you not?! I'm not expecting an answer to this; I'm just saying it. I sent a well-intentioned message to Angela Wright a few months ago, which she never answered. Regardless of whatever she might have against me, she could have responded, and I would have replied to her. Instead, she bombards me constantly and likely begs the administrators to delete my posts (I'm not claiming this, just assuming). What kind of respect did she show me? None. Why should I respect her? I see no reason. Go ahead and get angry at me or hold whatever grudge you want, but I mean no harm to any of you, NOT THAT I WOULD! I am simply trying to reach what we are all searching for here. If my posts bother anyone, please speak up (as long as it isn't just Angela Wright), and I will stop writing. If it would mean something to you, I will do it.
Angela Wright, ever since I first showed up on this forum, you’ve held a negative view of me. First off, show some respect and stop being insulting! Stick to your own rules and stay "on-topic," especially since you seem to prefer using English terms over words from your own language. I don't even understand your use of the word "troll." Please, translate that into a language I can actually understand. I have stated my problem clearly. The fact that you are stubborn, refuse to listen, and lack any empathy is YOUR problem, not mine. From what I can tell, your mindset is basically "if you don't go to a doctor, you die" or "if you see a herbalist, you're doomed." It's as if you aren't happy if someone actually recovers through an alternative method. I am open to every story and every possible way to heal, but you’ve retreated into your little shell and refused to budge. I see right through your performance here. You are trying to convince people of things you aren't even sure of yourself. Yes, my posts will be deleted because you are pushing for it, not because I insulted anyone. No one is going to delete your messages just because you have 5,500 posts; your word carries more weight only because of that number. Have you ever stopped to wonder if you are irritating the people reading this who might not even be participating? Likely not, because you are too self-centered and convinced you know everything. In my opinion, you should realize there is a lot you don't know. It is a MASSIVE shame that we have split ourselves into two camps—those who trust doctors and those who don't—instead of joining forces to try, with everything we have, to find a cure for cancer, no matter where it comes from!
I already posted this once, but my message was deleted. I am talking about a dear friend of mine whom I care for deeply. She has cancer. I won't dive into the specifics here; I don't believe in airing other people's private struggles on a public forum. The thing is, even the top doctors with all their degrees and certifications have essentially given up on her case. Was it supposed to be that we just accept whatever they tell us and do nothing at all? Yes, I have asked myself that very same question, quite sincerely. Why would they guard their methods if they truly work for the good of humanity? Is it purely about money? Or is it because they fear sharing their knowledge might lead to someone using it improperly? Perhaps it is something else entirely. However, I do know there are those who hold nothing back when facing illness, and I have nothing but respect for their courage. Here Nancy Hernandez43 , I have one question for you. Imagine you are an oncologist. You graduated from medical school, spent years studying how to treat cancer, and you work at a major oncology institute providing chemotherapy and radiation. Now, let's assume you personally know several people you trust who actually cured their cancer using some herbal remedy suggested by an uneducated individual. There is no doubt about it; it really happened. If a patient with cancer walked into your office, would you abandon the standard chemotherapy and radiation protocols to tell them that this alternative way is much better and safer for them? Or would you still put them on chemotherapy? Just try to step into their shoes—into that medical position—and it will become perfectly clear why they say what they say. I think it is quite obvious to everyone what chemotherapy does and what its consequences are, just as it is obvious what herbs and natural medicine can do. Envy is a terrible thing. Speaking as a physician myself, I could never permit an uneducated person—someone who hasn't even finished high school—to treat cancer patients. I, on the other hand, have spent twenty years in training, and I would never dream of sending my own patient to someone like that. Please answer my previous question if you have a stance on the matter.
Edward Reed69 said:Hello everyone, I have been reading this forum for a very long time, though I haven't been active until now. Instead, I've been participating on the For a new day forum, where Angela Wright and slyseal28 know me well. I simply cannot stay silent regarding all this talk about alternative medicine. My husband lost his battle with a malignant disease after a long, grueling struggle lasting a year and a half. We tried everything possible and impossible. When something like this happens—whether to us personally or to those we love most—of course, a person wants to believe in absolutely anything. We just keep hoping that maybe, just maybe, something will work. I even went to see a herbalist in Canada. My personal stance and my experience with alternative treatments is that there is no herb, plant, weed, or whatever you want to call it, that can kill cancer cells. It is all just empty talk; essentially, just whistling in the dark. Please rely on conventional medicine and follow your doctors' advice. I am not saying that certain natural preparations cannot help improve blood counts or boost the immune system, but they cannot cure CANCER. Believe me, I learned this firsthand and spent a fortune. I don't regret it; I would probably do the exact same thing again because that is simply how the human psyche works. That is why I feel it is wrong for certain users on this forum to attack people who are fighting like lions against the healthcare bureaucracy and the terrible system here in our country, trying to ease the suffering of all patients. By this, I am primarily referring to slyseal28 and Angela Wright (if I missed anyone, please forgive me). Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and viewpoint, but let's take it a little easier with the posts.
Kind regards!
My deepest condolences. Sometimes, we simply aren't meant to succeed in the things we want most. 🤷 I think you are making a huge mistake by saying there is no herb, tea, or weed that can kill cancer cells. My very first comment on this forum was about hemp oil. Can anyone give me a single reason why someone would appear in a documentary (I'm talking about the film about Rick Simpson) and claim they were given an extra month or two of life because that oil helped them, and that they are now living a perfectly normal life? I don't see any personal interest in that, as it is well known that the man making it gives it away to people. I don't understand why you are all so against alternative medicine. To me, alternative medicine is just something natural that your doctors certainly won't recommend, yet I am sure we have all used things like noni or aloe vera before.
Angela Wright said:She doesn't have to, but she certainly has the right to. Given her tireless dedication to everyone fighting cancer in the United States, regardless of what her own family is going through, she is more than qualified to speak as an advocate for the cause.😳
Regarding alternative options, I believe most people on this Forum have made their positions incredibly clear, and they have done so on numerous occasions.
If you care this much about whether an alternative actually works, why don't you just head over to Cetinja to visit Grandpa Jovo and personally review the documentation from recovered patients? Or are you just waiting for someone else to do the legwork for you? It seems easier to wait for a third party to confirm the facts—assuming they are correct—rather than taking the initiative to go and see it for yourself. Instead, you continue to repeat the same arguments here instead of putting in the effort to verify the truth. I have maintained this position consistently: there is no such thing as a universal cure for cancer. Every single patient is a unique case, and every individual requires personalized attention. Just because someone has successfully treated many people doesn't automatically guarantee they can help me. I never claimed that. It is entirely possible for a treatment to work for 99 out of 100 people, yet leave me as the one person for whom those drops have zero effect. There are countless herbalists out there who essentially sell smoke and mirrors, profiting from other people's misery. I have always been clear about my stance on them; people like that belong in prison. However, if we look at mainstream medicine, how many patients have lost their lives due to doctors' mistakes? I am not just talking about cancer, but medical malpractice in general. In any profession, there is a massive difference between an amateur and a true professional.
slyseal28, you're here... 🙂 I truly hope—for your sake and for everyone else's—that you manage to track down some information, whatever it may be. My sincere hope is that the news turns out to be good. P.S. You don't need to refer to yourself in the third person. 🙂
Nancy Hernandez43, Amanda Grant56 mentioned how doctors had no solutions for the people she brought up, even after they went through numerous therapies prescribed by them. What does that tell you? It shows they aren't all-knowing. Even when they claim they can't help, there is always enough time left to try something else. There is nothing to lose once they have already said "it's impossible." Have you looked at other forums? One of those that discusses herbal treatments is this one: http://www.svetbiljaka.com/Forums/vi...c/start=0.html. If you have two hours and the will to do so, dedicate yourself to reading it. You will find both positive and negative results regarding herbal therapies, which simply proves there is no universal cure. Every person is a unique story, and everyone requires a specific approach. If a medicine is meant to work for someone, it should show effects within 20 to 30 days. If it doesn't work by then, it won't work even after a year. I hope that slyseal28 called old man Jovo. If she didn't, she is contradicting herself; she was looking for proof that someone was healed using his drops, yet he certainly has that evidence right there. The very people who were ill and found relief through his drops would have visited him and left documentation regarding their illness and recovery. The difference between conventional and alternative treatment methods is this: if they actually work, there is a much higher chance the disease will return if treated with conventional medicine rather than alternative ways (assuming, of course, that the therapies "succeeded").
Taylor Morgan4, please know that we are all standing right beside you and your little girl. You both will be in our thoughts constantly, and we intend to support you for as long as it takes. I sent you a private message, so please check it when you have a moment. Sending my very best wishes for your daughter's swift recovery. 🙂
Rachel Cruz9, please take a look at this page. I believe you might find the answer to your question there. http://www.topvita.info/clanak.asp?id=162 If it doesn't load on your first attempt, don't give up. It usually opens after a few tries. All the best.
slyseal28, I have sent Jovin's number to you via private message. Also, the woman who was visiting Cetinja a few days ago is actually a member of this forum, though she isn't particularly active. If she feels inclined to reach out, she will send you a private message. Thank you for understanding.
slyseal28 said:I am not being personally condescending, nor am I angry with you. All we ask from those promoting "alternative" methods is for them to provide documentation proving they have suffered through severe illness and showing exactly how they recovered. Ideally, there should be someone tangible we can actually contact. We aren't looking for stories about some John in Tungusia or a lady named Mary living behind seven mountains who was recommended by a friend of a friend regarding a miraculous cure.
Of course, the method of recovery doesn't matter. The point is that unfortunately, some people simply do not recover because an effective cure still does not exist.
I am not being vain. It saddens me that you feel this way. I would give anything to find something that could help my husband and others suffering.
I don't understand this part: It's all the fault of those who only care about money; whether we like it or not, everything revolves around profit. 😕 You are attacking a straw man again...
And are you talking about natural healing again??? From what? Cancer? For God's sake, show me people who have healed from cancer using natural methods. Where are they? Why don't they step forward and show the right path to the 20,000 Americans who are diagnosed with cancer every year? How many of our people have actually been cured of cancer through "natural" means? The constant narrative pushed by "alternative" proponents is that stories of "miraculous recoveries" cannot be shared publicly because pharmaceutical lobbies won't allow it. That is pure nonsense! We have excellent contacts with journalists and editors who would be more than happy to run such stories. But, unfortunately, those people simply do not exist.
I will share the experience of a very dear friend of mine. A few days ago, she traveled to Cetinja to see Jovo Andrica (a herbalist), bringing a mountain of paperwork because her father is battling microcellular lung cancer with metastases in his bones and liver. Here is the gist of it. She arrived there and found a house where several people from Dubrovnik were already waiting—some there for the first time, others returning. Naturally, they chatted, and from those conversations, she realized there are many people for whom his drops have helped. When it was her turn, the practitioner went into the house with the patient's results while she waited, staying in there for about 15 minutes reviewing the documents. He came out without any drops, and she grew frightened, thinking he was going to say he couldn't help. Instead, he told her not to worry and said he could help. She then went inside with him while he prepared the remedy, and she asked him about his success rate with microcellular lung cancer. He replied, "I won't bother explaining it all to you; here is the complete documentation." He then showed her files from patients who had used the seals, including records from the hospitals where they were treated. I don't know exactly how many cases there were, but she says there are truly many who have recovered. Now, we wait to see what happens. Her father is a doctor himself and is undergoing chemotherapy, though it seems to be only once every two weeks. Also, I read somewhere that if the primary tumor is broken down—meaning it is completely removed—the metastases remain dormant or retreat entirely, which she confirmed, as she knows much more about cancer than I do. She will read this, and I know she won't be angry with me for writing it. If you truly have connections with journalists, perhaps they could take a trip toward Cetinja and verify and publish these stories somewhere. Perhaps she will join this conversation as well, and I hope she does.
I remain an optimist at heart. I truly believe there isn't a disease in this world that cannot be confronted. I simply cannot afford to think any other way. Did you think I didn't believe medicine could help us? Of course I did. We turned to them first, and they told us there was nothing more they could do. This isn't my fault, it isn't yours, and it isn't even their fault... The blame lies with those who care only about profit. Whether we like it or not, everything revolves around money. Besides, I don't think you quite understood my point. If a doctor tells you they can no longer help, what choice do you have left other than trying every possible avenue to save yourself? Even if that means seeking out "unproven alternative practitioners," as you call them. Reading through various forums, I have seen many people who have actually recovered, and thank God for that. One must never give up. Yes, unfortunately, the pharmaceutical industry is a massive business. It isn't that a doctor doesn't want to cure you; of course they do. There is no greater feeling in life than saving someone. But when they run out of weapons to fight cancer, they are forced to tell you they can't help anymore. A doctor is just a human being, subject to the same limitations as anyone else. Let's set aside our egos and help one another. People on both sides of the medical spectrum—both the alternative practitioners and the MDs—can be prideful. They often refuse to acknowledge the successes of the other side, which is a mistake. It is rare to find physicians who rise above that level, doctors who are genuinely interested in both natural healing and the methods they were taught at places like Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. Please, do not take this personally; that isn't my intention. What was I supposed to do when I was told I was sick? Just give up? No. There is no surrender. We move forward, no matter what happens. slyseal28, does it really matter how someone finds their cure as long as they are cured? I don't believe you truly mean what you said. Health is health, regardless of the path taken to achieve it...
slyseal28 you completely misunderstood me. I’m not trying to push anyone away. I am right here in this fight alongside you, and I truly understand what you—and everyone facing an illness or caring for someone who is sick—are going through. My only intention was to say that if your doctors tell you (though let's hope it never comes to that) that there is STILL hope and that you need to keep fighting, then you should. If you disagree with me, I'm sorry. 🤷 Believe me, I am not taking sides. My only goal is recovery; how we get there isn't what matters to me. I'm sorry you took my words the wrong way.
gentletiger46, I truly, sincerely wish for you to recover as soon as humanly possible. I hope you never have to deal with illness again for the rest of your life. That is my heartfelt wish for you. Kenneth Wright3 was simply relaying his mother's doctor's opinion, and I was just adding to that conversation. When modern medicine throws up its hands and says they can't help, it doesn't mean your hands are tied or that you should stop fighting. On the contrary, you have to fight even harder using every resource available to you. Most people who make herbal teas claiming to treat cancer lack a fundamental understanding of how the human body actually functions. While what you're saying is absolutely correct and there's no debate there, there are a few among them who actually do understand the science. You shouldn't turn your back on medicine, but when medicine turns its back on you, what are you supposed to do? Naturally, you find a way—any way—to find a cure. People turn to "alternative" methods when doctors tell them, "No, there's nothing more we can do for you." The problem started when certain individuals began exploiting other people's tragedies just to turn a profit. Those are the types of people we need to hold accountable. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior! Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether it's an "alternative" remedy or chemotherapy that saves you. All that matters is that you get better and that you never, ever have to deal with being sick again, whether it's a common flu or something much worse. The only enemy we all share here is CANCER. Let's take it down! 🙂 🙂
Kenneth Wright3 said:My mother has kidney cancer with metastases in her lungs. They removed one of her kidneys. She has gone through two rounds of chemotherapy, but it hasn't helped. There are two growths at the incision site that are also cancerous. Her doctor told her personally that he would try one more cocktail of chemo, but he isn't overly optimistic. She has been prescribed morphine patches. The surgery took place in September. I think I realize what this means, so I am just wondering how many other people in this condition actually survive. And how can I help make this easier for her? I want to be by her side, but when I am there and see her suffering, part of me wishes I were miles away.
The others who strictly support chemotherapy might take offense, but my most sincere advice is this: if your doctor has already spoken to you the way he did, consider stepping away from it. Continuing might only leave her in a worse state than she is now, which is clearly not what you want for her. You know firsthand what chemotherapy does to people who are already weakened, so please, discuss this together as a family. I will leave a link here where you can read about 40 pages of stories from people whom modern medicine had essentially given up on; perhaps you will find a reflection of your own situation there. http://www.svetbiljaka.com/Forums/vi...start=585.html I wish nothing but the best for you and your mother. Even if some people call you a pusher or suggest you have an ulterior motive because you are pointing them toward alternatives outside of mainstream medicine, that weight rests solely on you and your family. You get the final say in which path you choose to follow. Chemotherapy is certainly an option, though in my opinion, it isn't always the best one. Perhaps a day will come when doctors truly possess the ability to help us when it comes to cancer, but unfortunately, I have more faith in other ways. 🤷
Reading through the recent posts regarding hair loss and chemotherapy, I find myself compelled to weigh in. I am truly sorry that you are all enduring such difficult experiences; only those walking that path can truly understand the weight of it.😢Let us hope that all this struggle proves worthwhile, that you achieve full recovery, and that healing serves as the ultimate reward for everything you have been forced to endure.
No, look, nobody here is being paranoid. Those of us you label as "alternative seekers"—and I include myself in that group—likely once put our faith in mainstream medicine ourselves. We simply didn't get the answers we were looking for. We felt let down by an entire system that was supposed to think for us, and instead of fighting it, we turned toward something else. It is common sense. If you break an arm or a leg, or if you need surgery on a crooked nose or pinched ears, or even just a dental issue, you go to a trained professional. You wouldn't dream of walking into some guy's garage to have him work on you with rusty knives. That part is obvious. The standard argument is that something is recognized as a medicine only after it undergoes clinical trials, passes specific testing phases, proves its efficacy, and is deemed safe for human health. That sounds wonderful in theory, truly. But please, explain to me how chemotherapy fits that definition if everything you say is true. It isn't fully effective, nor is it safe. It causes hair loss and strips a person's immune system down to nothing. Yet, it all comes back to profit, whether we want to admit it or not. Why would a massive pharmaceutical corporation care about you as a human being? They don't know you. They have no emotional connection to you. To them, you are just a number, a statistic. Of course, the same logic applies to those "quack doctors" or "alternative practitioners"—people like Dr. Nenad Rosa, in my opinion, who built a fortune off other people's misery. Now, getting rich isn't the issue; if someone actually cures cancer, they should be rewarded. The problem is those who take the money and help absolutely no one. People like that deserve the strictest penalties. Alan SP cured his illness, or at least significantly, significantly eased his symptoms. It is perfectly natural that, for him, this is now the ultimate remedy. You would feel the exact same way if a treatment helped you, regardless of where it originated. I think what you’re actually feeling is a blow to your ego because you can't wrap your head around how Alan could find relief through something that isn't officially medically recognized, something that hasn't cleared all the formal trial stages and been sanctioned by mainstream medicine. That is the core of this debate. We have all heard stories of doctors forbidding patients undergoing chemotherapy from using natural products like aloe vera. Why do they forbid it? I already gave you the answer in my previous sentence.
Melissa Castillo said:Placidheron24... Why are you fighting so hard against showing the other side of the coin? Why defend chemists who are making valid points about how certain substances can act as poisons with potentially fatal results? Or is consuming this stuff actually harmless, IMO? Personally, I would love to hear someone claim that my own (hypothetically compromised) health was at risk 🤷
What specifically did you mean when you wrote "poisons with potentially fatal results"? Were you referring to MMS or just alternative medicine in general?
Disclaimer: I am not advocating for MMS as a medical treatment, nor am I supporting the practice of medicine by individuals who lack the proper credentials required under US law.
It all comes back to this blind faith in authority. People seem to assume that anyone with a medical degree is automatically qualified to manage your health, just as they assume any mechanic can fix a high-end engine or any professor is naturally gifted at teaching. In reality, it isn't nearly that straightforward. A diploma doesn't always equal expertise, though there are certainly exceptions. I’m sure you know plenty of people holding degrees in various fields who simply aren't equipped for the work they were trained to do. There are countless doctors out there who wouldn't be trusted to check a patient's temperature, let alone handle anything more complex.
Melissa Castillo said:Are you actually trying to shock me🤔? No can do🙂 Ever since I heard about that narrow-minded creationist biologist fraud, very little has been able to leave me stunned or speechless🤷. It is just a waste of taxpayer money being funneled into studies supported by the Department.
It would be ideal if one could find a middle ground between natural remedies and modern medicine. Both approaches have their specific uses, flaws, and advantages. In 99% of cases, people turn to medicine first, only seeking out natural alternatives when doctors essentially say, "We've done all we can; we are helpless here." If you ever found yourself in that position, I am certain you would also turn to nature and whatever it has to offer. Of course, there is no guarantee that nature will provide the cure you need, but what else is left to do when doctors claim your case is an unsolvable enigma? As far as I am concerned, I would never ban anyone, because I believe everyone deserves their own way of expressing themselves. Timothy Jackson2 is full of academic data, which explains why they speak that way, and I don't blame them—in fact, I completely understand. However, looking back at the situation, they shouldn't comment on someone's appearance without having seen them. I assume Alan wasn't even that offended, at least that is my impression.