Posts by Joshua Brown7

rowdyhawk10 said:look, I only just stumbled upon this thread, and Radet mentioned you in his opening post as someone who agrees with all those insults he aimed at me, such as:

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Radet Kumitkat says:
this is just another sneaky attempt to shut down a high-quality thread in a very clever way (maybe in the spirit of Ramadan?)

First off, I honestly told you that I hadn't seen this topic yet.

Second, regarding him putting my name in his signature—I haven't read everything yet, but I'll get to it and see what the deal is—I believe it can only mean one thing... that he’s genuinely sorry the topic was killed, and I’ll admit that to him, as Radet is a friend of mine. I think we shouldn't always have to follow the rules "by the book" if the character and nature of the discussion aren't offensive, vulgar, or mindless, because nobody gets hurt; people actually gain something from it, that's all... I mean, if there can be a "picnic chat" that isn't even particularly meaningful and doesn't really belong in the "religion" subforum according to my view, then why couldn't an "Orthodox World" section exist, which is infinitely more meaningful than that? However, as I mentioned, if you absolutely have to stick strictly to the rules, if it truly fails to meet the requirements (I don't know the rulebook by heart, I'm learning as I go... I hate reading through it, I'm lazy... mea culpa!) and if it's really of a nature that it can't stay active according to the regulations, and if it causes such a headache that it ruins the whole concept of the forum, then let it be shut down, no matter how much I regret it...

Third, I noted that I alone, and exclusively me, am to blame for starting this topic, because I should have assumed from all the reasons mentioned above that it would end up being shut down... anyway, I'm sorry that such harsh words were thrown at you regardless of everything... I believe Radet feels bad about it too, because I know he's an honest man, and I trust you have the strength and goodness to forgive another, but also to examine yourself and your own heart—that is, whether you truly do everything with a pure heart and for the sake of the rules, or if the "rules" are sometimes just a screen hiding other things... examine yourself, do it for yourself and for God.

rowdyhawk10 said:You didn't say a single word to him, either agreeing or disagreeing with his mocking comments about my faith and his insinuations full of malice. Besides, nobody is fighting here. Regards.

First, I didn't have the chance to tell him what I wanted to say because he hasn't been on the forum since I've been around, and I only noticed this topic about two hours ago and saw that Radet is banned. I will do what I think is right when Radet and I speak, in the same way I told you certain things, rather than doing it like this.

Secondly, as a normal person and as a Christian, I don't want anyone speaking ugly words or hurling insults at anyone else, regardless of the circumstances, and I explained that to you in my last PP, the reason and the why behind it. I know when, how, and what to say to my beloved brother in Christ; don't you worry about that, because he is indeed my brother in Christ, and I will treat him accordingly—whether I'm criticizing and rebuking him or having a normal conversation, it will always be in the spirit of Christ... the spirit of love. That is how, it seems to me, I try to carry myself toward you too, yet you're either not a Christian or, if I recall correctly, insults toward me have come from your side multiple times when you called me a liar over my story about my experience at the monastery in Studenica. Why would it be any different when it comes to Radet? I hope and believe you understand all this. Regards!

I just now stumbled upon this thread.
Please, I’m begging you all, just stop fighting. It’s on me—strictly my fault—for even opening a discussion about the Orthodox world in the first place. If I had realized, and honestly, if I hadn't been so naive as to not assume, that it would spiral into this kind of bickering where everyone is just tearing each other apart... I never would have done it. I much prefer genuine harmony and a civil conversation, the kind where you might actually end up making a friend or two, rather than these endless debates that lead absolutely nowhere except toward mental exhaustion and spiritual self-condemnation. Based on my thirty-nine years of experience dealing with these kinds of matters, I really should have anticipated that interest in Orthodoxy wouldn't reach the level I was hoping for, nor would we be able to maintain a real dialogue about the Orthodox world, but I miscalculated. I could have simply integrated teachings from the Orthodox church into responses to various existing questions within any other thread... please, forgive my stupidity, and please, brothers, stop fighting...

Sincere regards to Radet, Noah King2, Nick, and all the rest of you!

I’m truly sorry to see you making that call, but at the end of the day, it’s your life and your choice to make... I just hope everything works out for you and that you find some peace along the way.

Thomas Foster5 said:I didn't mean to cause any offense...
I’m just pointing out that these kinds of taboos are completely pointless, and honestly, I think the topic was brought up pretty decently enough...
Now we’re finally getting somewhere... actually using some real arguments for once...

It’s all good, really... I never actually thought you were trying to be insulting...😉
To me, that title just doesn't sit right. It isn't decent, and frankly, there isn't a single logical or moral argument to back it up, especially when we are talking about the very essence of God's personality... you know what I mean, right? We're discussing God, not some ordinary guy walking down the street... For those who actually follow Christianity, we aren't talking about some mere human individual... we’re talking about the God-man subject personality, the second person Holy Trinity, God the Son... He was the one who truly embraced the human condition, and honestly, you have to give him credit for that...Because that's the core belief we hold onto, the very thing that serves as the bedrock for everything we do in this life...Look, we really need to start talking from this perspective, because if we can actually respect where the other side is coming from, there won't be any need for all those cheap insults or these pointless, trivial topics that just waste everyone's time... instead, we could finally engage in a real "pro and con" dialogue based on some actual common ground. Cheers...

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Comparing him to Hitler is just fundamentally wrong and frankly makes no sense at all because, on one hand, you have the God-man, God Logos, the most righteous among the righteous, and on the other, you have an ordinary man who turned out to be nothing more than a massive catastrophe for humanity...

To you, Jesus' persona might be some myth, but for many, He isn't just anything less than that; He is the most real figure in the entire history of mankind, the one who provides actual meaning to the whole existence of this world and everything in it...

Look, nobody is stopping you from asking questions or doing your own research, but I’ll say it for the fifth time now... just don't resort to insulting Him with these empty, biased, malicious comments and shameless names for the One whom a massive global population considers God and the Savior of humanity... if you could just present your thoughts in a decent way with some actual substance, so we can tell there's a genuine desire to talk rather than just a drive to belittle and insult, then there wouldn't be any problem at all. I assume you're capable of that much?

What you're labeling as "circular logic and absurdity" is actually salvation for some people, you know? In fact, "circular logic" doesn't even belong to Christianity; it belongs to the world outside of Christ, and He proved that through His teachings, His resurrection, and the fact that Christians who are deeply familiar with the Christian theological and philosophical concepts of the world and man know this well—which is why we believe that "if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation: old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new" (2. Corinthians 5:17)...

So, calling this "stupidity" is completely misplaced... a lot of people simply don't know how to hold a conversation... and insults aren't a conversation...

If you had actually grasped any part of what was written above, you wouldn't be circling back to the exact same points over and over again. And as for calling you a "wise guy"—that wasn't meant as an insult, despite how much you seem to have taken it... it was just my way of pointing out how skillfully you shift the focus away from the actual core issue toward irrelevant nonsense, which isn't right, and I believe I’ve been more than clear about what is happening, why it's happening, and why this thread needs to be shut down once and for all.
The fact that we're living in the 21st century should really be a reason to communicate things in a decent, respectful, and non-offensive manner, rather than attacking the deepest religious convictions of your interlocutor—because frankly, doing that just shows blatant malice and nothing else... especially when you're dealing with the very foundation and way of life for hundreds of millions of people, so maybe this idea of "adjusting and adapting" is advice you should offer to someone else, or perhaps even take to heart yourself. I’m asking the moderators one more time to close this thread, especially given its shameless and utterly offensive title!

Christian Torres3 said:There was a whole discussion about the nature of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha... and it went on for quite a while, carrying some pretty harsh undertones regarding the subject being debated, so your argument doesn't really hold water here.

And what about the people who don't believe Jesus is God or the Son of God—are they just forbidden from discussing Him? You need to realize this is an open forum...

No, oh wise one... if you want to be direct, just ask a blunt, unambiguous question about the mental health of Muhammad and his god (since that's who he is to them, just as Christ is to us!!!), then compare the two. Go ahead, bring up Christ in this thread and compare Him to Stalin or Hitler, or suggest Muhammad was someone whose mental stability should be called into question and defend that stance... then we'll see how that goes.

So, when you talk about the "openness" of this forum, do you mean the freedom to easily insult and belittle someone else's sacred beliefs down to the level of pure idiocy? If you actually understood what democracy and the free exchange of ideas meant—rather than just performing the outward appearance of it, which seems to be the case for most people who swear by "openness"—you’d realize that everything you want to say still requires a certain level of decency that isn't offensive... which would actually prove you understood the concept. You people, who insult God and His believers with these kinds of topics and titles, seem to think you're the torchbearers of "democratic, modern enlightenment," wanting all the rights without any of the responsibilities... but, my friend, that isn't democracy. Rights come with obligations, in case you weren't aware. I explained all of this clearly in my previous post (especially the bolded part, which I suggest anyone struggling to grasp the point should read once more... just a tip for those who might need the extra help!) and I have no intention of wasting more breath on this talented display of irrelevance. I am appealing to the moderators once again to just lock this thread...

I’ve already reached out to the one person who actually understands why this is such a blatant insult—someone who, out of pure decency, ought to step in and sanction this nonsense—but I really have no interest in wasting my breath trying to explain things to someone who either refuses to see the point or simply lacks the capacity to grasp it.We are talking about a figure who represents God to hundreds of millions of people, do you even realize the weight of that?So, when you start questioning the "mental health" of the very being we believe to be God and the Son of God, you aren't just debating; you are committing the most crude and offensive violation of religious sentiment imaginable.Look, we can have a civilized debate about the historical accuracy of His life, or whether He is indeed God or not—I’m perfectly fine with all of that within the bounds of a respectful, well-moderated conversation—but once you pivot to these senseless, biased, and intentionally insulting questions, the dialogue ends right there. There is nothing left to discuss with someone who isn't asking a question, but is instead making a malicious assertion... because that is exactly what this provocation boils down to.Go ahead, if you’re feeling particularly brave, ask the moderators if Muhammad or Allah are mentally sound. I dare you. Just pose that question and watch how fast you get hit with a permanent ban... though, deep down, I think you all already know exactly how that will go, don't you?

Jesus' mental health?

I’m sorry, but this entire thread is an absolute disgrace and a direct insult to the God-man's personality, which naturally spits in the face of every single Christian believer out there... You wouldn't even dream of posing a question like this regarding Muhammad or the god he preached, because you know exactly what would happen—people would lose their minds, screaming in fury and outrage if you dared to ask anything similar about the scientific or atheist circles you all love to quote so much... This just isn't right. I really hope whoever is in charge of moderating this takes action, because this honestly crosses every possible line of decency...