cosmicfox69 said:So, I guess we’re really talking about how we value human life here.
Do you think our perspective on this has actually evolved at all? Like, back in the days of tribal warfare, life was probably worth next to nothing. People were dying every single day. Honestly, that seems to be how most of human history played out.
But then again, look at us now. We’re constantly surrounded by these "moralists" who make a huge scene whenever they feel someone's rights are being stepped on—take the abortion debate, for example, which, if you ask me, feels just as bad as murder.*
So, has our collective consciousness truly moved forward, or have we just put on a polite set of gloves to hide what we really are?
The daily news footage coming out of places like the Gaza Strip or Sudan doesn't exactly suggest that anything has changed. And don't even get me started on World War II.
What would even be the point of trying to increase the value placed on human life? Of course, valuing life is a pillar of modern democracy—I definitely don't want anyone thinking I'm an apologist for totalitarianism! Just please, try not to tie this too closely to specific political parties.
If you actually believe some kind of evolution has happened, where do you think we're headed? With apocalyptic scenarios looming over everyone's heads lately, it feels like it might be pretty easy to slide right back to life before Chris, or maybe even something even worse.
I’m not sure if there’s already a thread for this, or if I’m using the best terminology, but I think we'll understand each other. This is such a heavy topic that I probably haven't expressed myself perfectly, but I think the core of the problem is pretty clear. I'd love to hear what you guys think.
But then, progress actually happened. Even just a century ago, it would have been unthinkable for a child to have rights against a parent, or a student against a teacher, or an employee against an employer—let alone a citizen having any meaningful political rights at all...
There was a time when morality and the law both dictated that one person could hold absolutely zero rights against another; essentially, the master-slave dynamic was perfectly legal under the norms of the time. Torture wasn't just common before the Enlightenment—it was legal. We eventually engineered the entire concept of human rights and baked them directly into our legislation. Formally speaking, everyone living in modern democratic nations is considered free and equal today—which is really just the end result of a growing awareness regarding the value of the individual. If you compare our current legal frameworks to what existed 500, 1,000, or even several thousand years ago, the shift is staggering.