Kimberly Gomez34 said:Amanda Kelly, you missed the two most critical pieces of information: what’s the total budget, and what exactly are you planning to use this PC for?
Regarding running a RAID setup with two NVMe drives, it looks doable, though you'll definitely need to double-check the specific motherboard specs first.
https://www.eteknix.com/year-nvme-ra...l-world-setup/
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...2-ssd.2548246/
Honestly, it doesn't seem worth the hassle.
As for the CPU, the absolute best value we've seen lately is the Ryzen 7 1700 priced at $396
First things first—what are we actually using this thing for? That’s probably the most important part.
My multitasking setup is pretty basic—usually just 3 to 4 apps open at once, maybe stretching up to 10 if I'm feeling ambitious. Nothing heavy-duty. It’s mostly just a browser with 15 or 20 tabs eating up my RAM and some terminal windows for managing various VMs and servers, though most of that heavy lifting happens elsewhere, so my local CPU isn't breaking a sweat. My current Intel Core i5 rarely even hits 70% usage; the processor isn't exactly a bottleneck. Honestly, nothing is actually slowing down my workflow or driving me crazy. I guess I just want something new. Maybe I’m just addicted to the dopamine hit of shiny new hardware. That’s probably a good enough reason, right?
Second thing is, the budget is decent. Honestly, most of the limits are just in my own head. I’m not looking to blow money unnecessarily—even if it looks that way to some people—but when it really matters, I’m willing to pay up. I'll grab as many drives as I need. And the monitor. And the keyboard.
The New Guy I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow.
If you’re looking to run RAID on two NVMe drives, it looks like it's doable—just make sure you actually check your motherboard specs first. Don't skip that part.
Doesn't seem worth the hassle.
I'm currently running two SATA SSDs in RAID 0, and it got me thinking—just how much of a massive speed boost would I actually see if I threw two NVMe drives into a strip?
Alright, fine. That’s one less thing to worry about—though I say "potential" problem because my current stripping setup hasn't given me a single headache yet.
Kimberly Gomez34 said:Amanda Kelly, you missed the two most critical pieces of information: what’s the total budget, and what exactly are you planning to use this PC for?
Regarding running a RAID setup with two NVMe drives, it looks doable, though you'll definitely need to double-check the specific motherboard specs first.
https://www.eteknix.com/year-nvme-ra...l-world-setup/
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...2-ssd.2548246/
Honestly, it doesn't seem worth the hassle.
As for the CPU, the absolute best value we've seen lately is the Ryzen 7 1700 priced at $396
wiredotter14 Asks:
If you're looking to get any real work done with multithreading, you might as well just go with the Intel Core i5. It’s the only move that actually makes sense for the money.
Honestly, the absolute best move right now is grabbing that 1600X. It's easily worth it. $0.35 You end up with an Intel Core i5 that actually handles multithreading.
It's cheap and doesn't come with a cooler, but paired with a decent one, it'll stay cool and quiet.
https://www.amazon.com/cooler-arctic...m_medium=click
You don't even strictly need to overclock. The X model has fine stock clocks, but bumping it up to about 4GHz is pretty easy with a few clicks.
You could jump up to the 2600, but that's pricier. It comes with a cooler that works if you aren't overclocking, but an aftermarket one is quieter, so the 1600X plus a separate cooler would be the quieter bet.
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Alright, point taken. I was just looking into the differences between the standard and the X version. 🤔 Good grief, a 30 W difference.
So why would anyone bother with the X model?
Where exactly is that extra 30 W of TDP being dumped?
wiredotter14 said:What’s the goal here? Why the upgrade?
The 2500K is old, sure, but it isn't garbage. If you don't care about the GPU, I'm assuming this isn't for gaming.
If that's the case, a Core i5 is your best bet for multithreaded performance.
The absolute best value right now is the 1600X; for $0.35 you get a 6-core processor with multithreading.
https://www.amazon.com/amd-ryzen-processor...m_medium=click
It's cheap and doesn't come with a cooler, but with a decent aftermarket one, it'll stay cool and quiet.
https://www.newegg.com/p/arctic-cooler...m_medium=click
You don't strictly need to overclock it—the X model has decent stock clocks—but it's easy to bump it up to around 4GHz with just a few clicks.
You could go for the 2600, but it’s pricier. It comes with a stock cooler that's fine if you aren't overclocking, but an aftermarket one is quieter, so 1600X plus a dedicated cooler will be the quieter setup.
This is a solid motherboard; I don't think you need anything more heavy-duty.
https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450-tomahawk...m_medium=click
Regarding the two M.2 slots and RAID: I don't think you can run two NVMe drives in RAID, unless someone wants to correct me.
Besides, using NVMe RAID is pretty pointless if you're actually chasing speed.
If you're looking for redundancy while still wanting SSD speeds, just grab two 500GB SATA SSDs and put them in RAID.
BTW, B450 and X470 boards come with StoreMI software, where you can use an SSD (even a small 256GB SATA one) to speed up an HDD. It's similar to Intel Optane.
As for the graphics, if you just need to "output a picture," you could get by with something like a GT 1030.
If you want something with actual teeth, go for the RX 580.
This model is a good pick:
https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-rx580...m_medium=click
Great cooler, features a 0rpm mode, so the fan won't even spin most of the time. You can also easily undervolt or underclock it, or just drop the power limit if you want it even quieter.
The alternative is the GTX 1650, but it's noticeably weaker than the RX 580 for a similar price. It pulls less power, but if you aren't running it hot, that's not a dealbreaker, and cheaper models usually have crappy coolers anyway. A decent RX 580 is the better move. The GTX 1650 is just overpriced for what it offers.
Otherwise, if you aren't in a rush, you could wait for the Ryzen 3000 series to drop this summer. It'll be the first on the 7nm process, so we're expecting big jumps in core counts, performance, and efficiency.
If you buy a 1600X now, you'll be able to upgrade to at least the 3000 series down the road since they promised motherboard compatibility.
On the Intel side, you could look at an i3-9400F, which is relatively cheap. I think you could even push two monitors through HDMI + DVI using the integrated graphics.
You'd save a lot of cash by skipping the GPU, but honestly, the Coffee Lake platform is a dead end for upgrades since you're buying a chip without multithreading.
Never heard of that.
Honestly, sounds ten times—maybe a hundred times—better than those useless hybrid drives. It's practically halfway to a pro-grade storage setup.
Though, I don't really see the point in speeding up data drives that already hit 120-130 MB/s.
Still, I might give it a shot (probably will).
wiredotter14 said:What’s the goal here? Why the upgrade?
The 2500K is old, sure, but it isn't garbage. If you don't care about the GPU, I'm assuming this isn't for gaming.
If that's the case, a Core i5 is your best bet for multithreaded performance.
The absolute best value right now is the 1600X; for $0.35 you get a 6-core processor with multithreading.
https://www.amazon.com/amd-ryzen-processor...m_medium=click
It's cheap and doesn't come with a cooler, but with a decent aftermarket one, it'll stay cool and quiet.
https://www.newegg.com/p/arctic-cooler...m_medium=click
You don't strictly need to overclock it—the X model has decent stock clocks—but it's easy to bump it up to around 4GHz with just a few clicks.
You could go for the 2600, but it’s pricier. It comes with a stock cooler that's fine if you aren't overclocking, but an aftermarket one is quieter, so 1600X plus a dedicated cooler will be the quieter setup.
This is a solid motherboard; I don't think you need anything more heavy-duty.
https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450-tomahawk...m_medium=click
Regarding the two M.2 slots and RAID: I don't think you can run two NVMe drives in RAID, unless someone wants to correct me.
Besides, using NVMe RAID is pretty pointless if you're actually chasing speed.
If you're looking for redundancy while still wanting SSD speeds, just grab two 500GB SATA SSDs and put them in RAID.
BTW, B450 and X470 boards come with StoreMI software, where you can use an SSD (even a small 256GB SATA one) to speed up an HDD. It's similar to Intel Optane.
As for the graphics, if you just need to "output a picture," you could get by with something like a GT 1030.
If you want something with actual teeth, go for the RX 580.
This model is a good pick:
https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-rx580...m_medium=click
Great cooler, features a 0rpm mode, so the fan won't even spin most of the time. You can also easily undervolt or underclock it, or just drop the power limit if you want it even quieter.
The alternative is the GTX 1650, but it's noticeably weaker than the RX 580 for a similar price. It pulls less power, but if you aren't running it hot, that's not a dealbreaker, and cheaper models usually have crappy coolers anyway. A decent RX 580 is the better move. The GTX 1650 is just overpriced for what it offers.
Otherwise, if you aren't in a rush, you could wait for the Ryzen 3000 series to drop this summer. It'll be the first on the 7nm process, so we're expecting big jumps in core counts, performance, and efficiency.
If you buy a 1600X now, you'll be able to upgrade to at least the 3000 series down the road since they promised motherboard compatibility.
On the Intel side, you could look at an i3-9400F, which is relatively cheap. I think you could even push two monitors through HDMI + DVI using the integrated graphics.
You'd save a lot of cash by skipping the GPU, but honestly, the Coffee Lake platform is a dead end for upgrades since you're buying a chip without multithreading.
I'll think about the GPU. My priority is specific outputs and silence; some level of raw power is secondary.
wiredotter14 said:What’s the goal here? Why the upgrade?
The 2500K is old, sure, but it isn't garbage. If you don't care about the GPU, I'm assuming this isn't for gaming.
If that's the case, a Core i5 is your best bet for multithreaded performance.
The absolute best value right now is the 1600X; for $0.35 you get a 6-core processor with multithreading.
https://www.amazon.com/amd-ryzen-processor...m_medium=click
It's cheap and doesn't come with a cooler, but with a decent aftermarket one, it'll stay cool and quiet.
https://www.newegg.com/p/arctic-cooler...m_medium=click
You don't strictly need to overclock it—the X model has decent stock clocks—but it's easy to bump it up to around 4GHz with just a few clicks.
You could go for the 2600, but it’s pricier. It comes with a stock cooler that's fine if you aren't overclocking, but an aftermarket one is quieter, so 1600X plus a dedicated cooler will be the quieter setup.
This is a solid motherboard; I don't think you need anything more heavy-duty.
https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450-tomahawk...m_medium=click
Regarding the two M.2 slots and RAID: I don't think you can run two NVMe drives in RAID, unless someone wants to correct me.
Besides, using NVMe RAID is pretty pointless if you're actually chasing speed.
If you're looking for redundancy while still wanting SSD speeds, just grab two 500GB SATA SSDs and put them in RAID.
BTW, B450 and X470 boards come with StoreMI software, where you can use an SSD (even a small 256GB SATA one) to speed up an HDD. It's similar to Intel Optane.
As for the graphics, if you just need to "output a picture," you could get by with something like a GT 1030.
If you want something with actual teeth, go for the RX 580.
This model is a good pick:
https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-rx580...m_medium=click
Great cooler, features a 0rpm mode, so the fan won't even spin most of the time. You can also easily undervolt or underclock it, or just drop the power limit if you want it even quieter.
The alternative is the GTX 1650, but it's noticeably weaker than the RX 580 for a similar price. It pulls less power, but if you aren't running it hot, that's not a dealbreaker, and cheaper models usually have crappy coolers anyway. A decent RX 580 is the better move. The GTX 1650 is just overpriced for what it offers.
Otherwise, if you aren't in a rush, you could wait for the Ryzen 3000 series to drop this summer. It'll be the first on the 7nm process, so we're expecting big jumps in core counts, performance, and efficiency.
If you buy a 1600X now, you'll be able to upgrade to at least the 3000 series down the road since they promised motherboard compatibility.
On the Intel side, you could look at an i3-9400F, which is relatively cheap. I think you could even push two monitors through HDMI + DVI using the integrated graphics.
You'd save a lot of cash by skipping the GPU, but honestly, the Coffee Lake platform is a dead end for upgrades since you're buying a chip without multithreading.
I'm in no hurry, so I could probably wait.
What are the actual expectations or rumors so far?