Daniel Castillo11 said:Your God doesn't exist, and neither does any other, so there is nothing to choose from. 🙂
There is no selection process, and there is no universal, objective purpose. Certainly, a person can be exceptional, unique, possessing a specific set of abilities, but no one facilitated or granted that to them. Regarding conscious intent, one might say it "fell from the sky" almost literally. Behavior and development within the natural world are dictated by complex mathematical algorithms. No matter how intricate those algorithms may be, these clever, complex systems do not possess a sense of value, nor do they make choices in the human sense of the word. Everything we possess has been acquired through natural means—via natural and social selection—and if it hasn't, then it is unnatural, which is to say, impossible. What determines whether something is natural or not is simple: if it obeys the physical laws just like everything else, from the smallest bosons to the largest galaxy clusters and potential universes, then it exists within the chain of cause and effect—within the natural laws of the cosmos. If it doesn't, if it breaks that order through some sort of "miracle," then we are talking about divine intervention, which sounds more like a story out of Harry Potter.
Well, I suppose I am just "tilting at windmills" here. On this subforum, 99.99% of people subscribe to a teleological view of meaning. 🙂
While you argue that "uniqueness" isn't an individual achievement but rather the work of gods or God, I would argue that it belongs to absolutely no one. Nature possesses no intention, nor does it have a human character. Anything a person claims about nature outside of objective observation is, at best, speculation, and at worst, anthropomorphism—projecting human traits onto the natural world.
Your interpretation inevitably introduces a kind of Platonic, aristocratic chauvinism; the idea that certain special people are inherently better than others, granting them a right to privileged status in society. It is this very logic that has, for millennia, upheld the "sanctity" of religious institutions and individuals, allowing them to exert authority over others.
"Try to invent something 'genius' that someone else hasn't." What kind of nonsense is that? What even defines "genius"? By your logic, every creator is necessarily superior and more privileged than anyone else. Let's not forget that many of these individuals you hold up above the rest only achieved global recognition largely due to marketing—essentially, favorable social circumstances. If society hadn't stepped in to turn them into heroes, we wouldn't even know their names, and I suspect there are countless such individuals who simply weren't able to sell themselves well. How do you explain the existence of these "special" people whom God supposedly blessed, yet who have zero actual impact on the world or the course of history? And by what criteria are they "chosen"? Why are some more special or privileged than others? What about the geniuses who lacked the social climate, the funding, or the connections to break through and be noticed? In that case, their uniqueness is functionally useless since it fails to influence the world. If we are going to follow that line of reasoning, anyway.
Certain types of introverted geniuses—those living with autism or Asperger's, for instance—possess specific cognitive strengths that seem to operate on a much higher frequency than the general population. However, we aren't just guessing at the reason behind this "uniqueness"; we actually understand the root cause. It all traces back to pure genetics. And when I say that, I don't mean a simple, straight line of inheritance from parent to child, but rather the complex reality of specific genes propagating through the population via mathematical logarithms and shifting probabilities. In this light, these extraordinary abilities aren't some mystical gifts; they are essentially the byproduct of evolutionary processes that weren't designed, orchestrated, or even intended by any higher power.
If that's the case, how are we supposed to view individuals dealing with intellectual disabilities or those with a hereditary predisposition toward psychosis and schizophrenia? Are we to suggest they possess less inherent value, or perhaps imply they somehow earned their circumstances?
Look, I’m not going to go point-by-point through everything you said—let's just keep it brief! First off—everyone is entitled to THEIR own opinion—and that goes for you, me, and every single person out there—so opinions don't have to match, and honestly, having a bunch of different perspectives on the SAME topic is actually better!
I never once said there are "special people" who are MORE valuable than everyone else, nor did I imply anyone is worth less because of any kind of deficiency—whether physical or otherwise—so we clearly had a bit of a misunderstanding there!
The whole point here is whether "chosen" people exist—meaning those gifted individuals with abilities far beyond the average person—and my stance is that I am absolutely convinced such people DO exist.
Your claim that God doesn't exist—which, by the way, is just your take (and you don't even know who my God actually is!)—is purely YOUR opinion without any actual proof, so it doesn't really carry much weight in a serious discussion.
And if you're insisting that "chosen" people DON'T exist, then what happened to legends like Buddha, Mozart, Einstein, Nikola Tesla, or Jesus Christ? They're gone, right?
I mean, does Jesus really have NO impact on this world? Seriously, what world are you living in? There are BILLIONS of people for whom He is the very MEANING of life, and His words are read every single day—not just in church, just so you know!
So, according to you, they weren't "chosen"—they just HAPPENED to possess qualities that none of us today have, and it just fell into their laps "from Mars" without any cause, just out of thin air. Truly "brilliant" logic there! Cheers! 🙂