Posts by Paul Martinez73

When are we finally getting some kind of Police TikTok challenge with Mitar in the background?

Matthew Young35 said:By the way, this maniac was back at Mass again today.

The police probably didn't have a clue yet, either.

neonfalcon16 said:Furthermore, this was actually announced beforehand. It’s almost certain the patrol was stationed right at the main entrance, so they conveniently "forgot" to check the side entrances.

For fuck's sake, they already posted this a few times. The inspector was actually out on the field during that open mission and stated that everyone was keeping their distance...
Do you guys at least bother to read the news before commenting on it?...

And here we go... get ready for the inevitable debate over some random image where everyone argues about whether there was a space or not. Three, two, one...

So, I'm hearing this second-hand from a colleague over in Germany who’s basically checking every single box for the Coronavirus—fever, sore throat, the whole bit... he might have been scrolling through ☕ yesterday.

1. His wife calls 911, and they basically tell her it's not an emergency because they're swamped with actual life-or-death situations. Their advice? Just grab an Uber and head to the hospital.

2. Then she calls the local Coronavirus Hotline, and they just tell her to stay home and self-isolate. She tries explaining that he's struggling to breathe and has been around tons of people at work lately, but they just brush it off, saying if it turns out to be the virus, everything will be handled and they'll track down his contacts. 🤣
When she asks how anyone can actually test him if nobody is coming to see him and he isn't allowed to leave, they just say someone will call her back later. 🤣

3. They try calling the Urgent Care clinic instead of emergency services, but they're told someone will get back to them when possible, noting they close at 8:00 PM.

4. Finally, after calling 911 again and emphasizing that he literally cannot breathe, they finally agree to send someone out. A crew shows up, takes his temperature, gives him some Tylenol, grabs a sample, and then just leaves. They told him to isolate 🤣 until they hear otherwise.

Honestly, it's starting to feel like this whole thing is just one big farce...

Joseph Clark37 said:I am talking about this morning's outdoor Mass held right in front of the church. Regardless of how much anyone tries to play lawyer and claim otherwise, it qualifies as an outdoor gathering. Try applying that same logic elsewhere and see if the police don't show up to disperse you—and if you refuse, they'll arrest you. Take what I witnessed recently near Milwaukee: people were standing several feet apart, nowhere near as close as they were this morning over at Sirobuja, yet the police still came to move them along. One person refused to step away and was forcibly taken into custody.
Masses are being held every day during the pandemic without a crowd present. You see them on TV almost daily. Fortunately, most priests are conscientious and follow the guidelines. The exception is this old rural type from Sirobuja, whose actions undermine and spit on the sacrifices made by all the other church workers who are following pandemic protocols. It's the same with the people gathering at this Mass, disrespecting the rest of us believers who stay home and watch on television. Given the neighborhood, I'm not surprised there's a handful of selfish, reckless idiots...
If that deputy chief thinks the one-meter social distancing rule for outdoors applies to everyone equally, he might as well just pin the blame on someone else entirely. That's all I have to say on the matter...

So, if those two women were arrested in Split just for taking a stroll, should they be arresting everyone? Instead of preaching equality for all, look at how people gather at Jarun or Bundek; nobody is being chased off by the police there, they just get warned to keep their distance.

What are we supposed to do about it now? Just because the police aren't doing their job properly in one spot doesn't mean they should stop doing their job everywhere.

Here’s a suggestion: go gather somewhere, keep your distance, film it, and if they try to kick you off, you'll have plenty of material for a lawsuit. I’m telling you, if you’re anywhere and maintaining distance, nobody is going to touch you—unless some idiot in a uniform decides to play drill sergeant, but then you'll have the video evidence to show everyone exactly what happened...

Noah Roberts46 said:I’ve been reading through almost this entire thread, and honestly, I have to hand it to Paul Martinez73—the guy really knows how to spin nonsense. His persistence is something else. But here's the thing: I don't recall him ever actually condemning the total failure of our institutions to stop these Masses from happening. Sure, he said he isn't "pro-Mass" and that people ought to follow the regulations, but his real obsession seems to be with the journalist rather than the fact that the Police failed to act, even though they knew exactly what was coming long before it actually went down. 🤦

Oh, I'm twisting things? Great, now go look in a mirror. All I'm doing is refusing to write about stuff that hasn't even been reported yet; for instance, yesterday we had no idea if the Police were even responding to calls, but today we finally have that info. It was a lapse because they weren't there at 10:00, but let's be real—the Police aren't on duty just to stand guard at a church to make sure nobody shows up. I guess the best solution is for the Police to just stand outside the church and cause a scene every single day...
The priest was reported and everything followed the law. Now you can get back to spinning stories along with your little buddies. Later.

"He stated then that he would hold services every day, including on Easter. However, in the following days, there were no services. We were there on Tuesday and Wednesday... We also monitored the parish website on Easter and saw the first service was at 8:00 AM. That was enough notice. We were there at that time, and there was no service. It's true we weren't there at ten o'clock, given that there was no service and we had plenty of other priorities. Once we heard about the attack on the journalist, we arrived very quickly. All three individuals who attacked the journalists have been identified and arrested," he said.

"Regarding what we have been doing these past few days and today, we placed officers at the entrance to the church courtyard. We informed citizens they could not attend. Today, about 15 citizens remained. An inspector was with us, and he determined that the citizens were keeping a sufficient distance, one meter apart. Many people are asking why we aren't acting differently. It's because we can't; it's what the law dictates," it was stated.

"We have notified Civil Defense, the Inspectorate, and the Archdiocese about every gathering so far—five times total. We contacted the Archdiocese because this concerns a priest who refuses to respect their decisions," it was stated.

Amanda Evans2 said:Whether it’s a thief breaking into a home or a fifty-pound journalist walking into a church, the law treats them exactly the same.

I honestly don't know how you can write such absolute nonsense; it's truly pathetic...

The sheer absurdity of what you're willing to report. Apparently, the law is determined by body weight now...🤣

I wonder if Hildr and the ork with all those stunts might actually prove they were right all along...

Even though nobody is disputing that yesterday's Holy Mass was a total mess and should have been handled differently under current guidelines.
The only issue is that the people attacking us for defending the right to hold Mass claim the reporter did everything perfectly. She trespassed onto private property and filmed inside the church, breaking the law just because someone else supposedly broke a rule inside. All of it just to manufacture a scandal.

When the people in power break the law, it’s fine, but when she films them, suddenly it's necessary.

Yesterday the issue was that people were indoors, which isn't the same as being outdoors, so today the problem is that they're outside but not keeping their distance.

Trying to argue with certain people is completely pointless; you'd have better luck spray-painting a wall in Wilson and trying to reason with it.

Anthony Jackson2 said:Nice attempt at cherry-picking the fine print, but the law is surprisingly straightforward here.

Permissible Self-Defense

Section 27.

(1) Anyone entitled to possessory protection may defend their property using force against anyone who unlawfully deprives them of possession or disturbs their possession, provided it is necessary because judicial assistance would arrive too late and the danger is imminent—but only if the force used is not greater than what is reasonable under the circumstances (permissible self-defense).

Since there was zero actual danger involved, this section doesn't apply—which means your little theory just falls apart.

So you're just quoting the exact same thing I am? The difference is I gave you an actual attorney's interpretation while you just regurgitated the literal statute.
How are you supposed to know if there was "danger"? If a thief breaks into your house, are you going to stop and interview him first to see if he looks threatening?

Anthony Jackson2 said:It turned out later that the police didn't actually follow protocol when they arrived—which basically means the reporter was right to warn everyone about the legal violations.

Recording someone on private property without permission is a violation of the law—period. And honestly, the law actually states that if someone is trespassing, you have the right to use reasonable force to protect your property. Basically, you're allowed to push someone off your land if you have to.

No, that’s just not what the law says—you can't do that.

The Police said they got a tip—and if that's the case, they would’ve shown up just like they always do, and will continue to do from here on out.

The lawbreaking was announced days in advance—the police had plenty of justification for stepping in preventatively. Like I said before, they didn't even move when the report came in; they waited until the Holy Mass was over. Any other gathering like this would have been shut down by force immediately. It just brings us back to the privileged ones—I’m not going to list who those people are in this circle, because we all know.

Another way to protect property is through self-defense. A person whose possession is being interfered with has the right to defend that property using force against whoever is taking it or disturbing them. It's a reaction meant to stop the interference, though one must be careful not to cross the line of what constitutes reasonable self-defense.

This right is tied to the following conditions that must be met:

– the interference with possession must be unlawful,

– permitted self-defense must be taken within 30 days, or specifically within one year,

– if it is necessary because legal assistance would arrive too late,

– the danger of interference must be immediate,

– and only if the force used isn't greater than what the circumstances justify.

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Matthew Young35 said:Yes, now that you've resorted to shouting in all caps, I see your point.
It's funny how you don't seem bothered by people organizing large gatherings in the middle of a pandemic that quite literally brought the entire nation's economy to its knees, yet you find it a huge issue that someone tried to film it—or that someone was physically assaulted for doing so.

Everything is perfectly clear.

Let's try this again from the top.

I never once defended the gathering; I actually said myself that it was wrong. Just like it's wrong for people to congregate at spas, parks, or wherever else you want to name. But there is always a proper way to handle these things.

You're back at it with the insults, calling it "organizing mobs"—insulting an entire community while refusing to let anyone insult you.

I have an issue with both the organized mass and the unauthorized filming. For God's sake, some of us aren't just blindly "against" one thing and automatically "for" the other.

Go ahead, keep going.

Matthew Young35 said:Go screw those libtards.
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Kudos to the moderators for actually allowing insults like that.

As for the lockdowns and everything else, you're barking up the wrong tree. My stance has been clear and unambiguous from the very beginning.

The term "Libtard" is used every single day, just like how unknown calls me unknown, or how unknown calls someone an aggressive mess. Even Roger Federer fans get called Fedtardi and so on... besides, Henry gave me a perfectly good insult today, so I'm not exactly crying about it.

No need to go running to the mods; being called a Libtard isn't an insult, and I wasn't even talking to you directly—but if you felt targeted, that’s on you. If I remember correctly, you called me a Republican once before, so I don't think I'm really the one throwing insults here 🤷

Matthew Young35 said:The reporter isn't playing judge and jury here; she’s simply trying to document and expose blatant legal violations that the police refuse to address—even after they were clearly flagged. That is, after all, one of the fundamental roles of the press.
Once the facts are out, those breaking the law immediately turn around and attack the journalist.

And yet, you all continue to bend over backwards to protect them.

I honestly can't tell if you're refusing to understand or if you just can't. I'm starting to question your mental capacity at this point. It seems pretty obvious to me that you're just trolling, but whatever.

Let me break it down for you one more time—maybe then it'll sink in.

Actual documentation would mean filming IN FRONT OF the church! Calling the police, having a police report, and expecting the police to actually act on a tip!

What happened was illegal UNAUTHORIZED FILMING on PRIVATE PROPERTY! And under the law, if someone interferes with your property, you have the right to use reasonable force to defend it. Basically, you're allowed to push someone off your land.

I don't know if the ALL CAPS helped you grasp the concept.

If the police had received a formal report, they would have shown up just like they always do.

The cops aren't coming :kme:
Some reporter shows up at Mass and tries to sneak footage behind closed doors twice because she knows she’s not allowed inside :kme:

Their attempts at making excuses are honestly just laughable.

Journalists are basically playing judge and jury now.

And the other day they were all crying because Andrej Plenković wants to turn this into a police state and control them by introducing bans... those libtards are something else, they can't even decide what they want to allow or what they want to protest 🤣

Would they be against lockdowns, against the virus, for lockdowns, or for the laws, or against the laws? How are you supposed to keep track of all that, Matthew Young35? You're going to burn out...

Ziza already explained how invitations work to you using that rager at the Factory, go check it out. You can invite anyone you want, but you still have the right to bar someone from your own property if you don't like how they're acting, get it? Even if you invited them, they still don't have the right to film you on your own land. Period.

Where is Zivana? If there’s no video footage, I’m just not taking her seriously! I mean, listen to that concert...
Index claims they kept their distance and listened peacefully, but those folks inside the church weren't keeping any distance and certainly weren't being quiet.

Does anyone have Zivana's Facebook so I can drop a link? These people definitely wouldn't be attacking her—bless whoever actually enjoys those melodic tones and a light two-step.

I bet Ziza will claim that the indoor set was one thing and this outdoor one is another. Because apparently, having 15 people in an enclosed space for 40 minutes is incredibly dangerous, especially when you're spread over 300 square feet. It's way more hazardous than this, if he just calculates the exact percentage of how much more dangerous it is...

P.S. Is there an IRS agent in here? We need to sue Imbex for sexism.

Matthew Young35 said:You can, provided you've been invited.
The priest extended an invitation to everyone at the church.
Or do you honestly believe he was calling out specific names and surnames to attend the service?

If he issued an invitation to the mass, and the invitation was open, then a journalist is perfectly entitled to show up.

Pure acrobatics.

The post was about a news crew filming and, obviously, publishing it publicly.

Basically, he invited everyone—Maja Suput could have walked right in and performed a concert for all I care, since the invitation was open to all...🤦

If the journalist had just walked in, watched the Mass, and written her report, there wouldn't be an issue. Instead, she decided to film behind closed doors, hiding away, doing it twice.

Goodnight

She was out there gathering evidence for a report regarding 🤣 the laws against trespassing in Palm Springs 🤣 If she hadn't dropped her phone, she might have actually managed to land a massive lawsuit through the Miami Herald.

What kind of twisted logic is that supposed to be? It’s way too late for this nonsense. Things are starting to get ridiculous—honestly, knowing Anthony Jackson2, if she had tossed a grenade inside, he would have just claimed they were breaking the law anyway, and then turned around and attacked the law itself tomorrow. 🤣

It’s enough to surprise even the local news ☕ how she refuses to back down even an inch, especially after being completely dismantled by her own arguments during that chaotic scene at the Factory.

Goodnight, hopefully tomorrow brings some new drama to ruin the day.

brightpilot6 said:So, I already said it—you report it, and if you see that the authorities aren't doing anything about it, you start taking pictures. In that case, you go (i) through media pressure. It’s basically the standard operating procedure when you're dealing with a broken system like ours.

So you're basically advocating for breaking the law here?
Look, you can report things, take photos, or film people coming in and out of a church, and if the police won't act, sure, write a killer exposé about it. You can even bug the priest after service or give him a call. But you cannot just barge onto private property, regardless of what you think your reasoning is. Even the cops aren't allowed to do that.

"Entering private property can result in a civil trespass lawsuit or in criminal charges. To trespass means you’ve entered the property without consent, or you’ve refused to leave when asked. In most states, it’s fine to approach a person’s home or business to ask the owner or occupant whether she will, for example, agree to be interviewed. But once she refuses or asks you to leave, remaining there is a trespass. You also can’t enter private property simply because you want to gather news there (e.g., to capture photos or video)."

brightpilot6 said:You're off base because we're talking about a gathering of five people, whereas a church service could theoretically draw a crowd of a thousand since it's considered a public demonstration. The risk profiles aren't even in the same universe.

So, either you're being too dense to see the distinction, or you're just trolling—there isn't really a third option here. It’s likely the latter, which is incredibly grating.

It would be the exact same logic if your friend announced he was throwing a massive rager at the local Factory tomorrow and anyone could show up. In that scenario, wouldn't you feel obligated to report it and snap some photos if nobody else seemed to care? Because in this specific context, there's a much higher level of public interest involved.

Look, she was standing right outside that church the whole time and saw maybe fifteen people max. So it wasn't a hundred, and it definitely wasn't a thousand. There was zero risk. She could have just called the police and then put together a story if they failed to act. Wait it out and do what needs to be done.

I’d say the same about you—you're either trolling or just plain clueless, though I suspect you're just being stubborn.

If my friend announces a party at a nightclub, first of all, a journalist wouldn't even be allowed inside. Anything they filmed would leave them wide open to a lawsuit since they'd be filming a private party on private property. Does that click for you now? A journalist isn't the Department of Inspection; there is no Vested Interest here, so what are you even on about?

A journalist is like a sanitation worker; if they witness a crime, they're obligated to report it. They can do their job in a public space without bothering anyone, but once they cross those lines, they need permission and consent.

Matthew Young35 said:It actually was banned, and I am old enough to remember when Budisa went to negotiate with the HOS members that Harmon had barred from the Starčević community center—back when we nearly slipped into a civil war among Americans right in the middle of Washington, D.C.
Perhaps you're a bit too young to recall those days.
And just because it isn't prohibited today doesn't mean we should be proud of it.

So, is it banned now or not?
It isn't. Thanks, discussion closed on that point.

Moving on—why does a journalist need permission to film a stadium, a shortcut, or anything else in this country? If they don't have accreditation or permission, security stops them, then the police step in, and everything they filmed becomes illegal. Yet, you think they can just wander into churches and start filming? Is someone there just breaking the law?

So, in your view, does a journalist automatically have permission if they know the law is being broken somewhere? Like, if Mamara is sitting at home counting the money he skimmed from the club, is he allowed to just burst into his house and film him? All in the "greater good"?

Or if crime happens inside a prison, is a journalist allowed to just barge in and record everything?

Matthew Young35 said:Give me a break... you know you're full of it.

We aren't talking about some private gathering here.

Where exactly am I wrong?