Posts by mellowtiger83

Ayrton Senna possesses truly staggering statistics; just 160 starts yielded three championships, 41 wins, and 65 pole positions.

It might not seem all that remarkable on paper, but when you consider he wasn't even driving the top car during '84, '85, '86, '87, '92, or '93—and spent '88 and '89 splitting his machinery with Alain Prost, all while battling equally lightning-fast cars in 1990 and 1991—that data becomes something else entirely.

He achieved this during an era when winning in F1 was arguably at its most difficult due to the sheer depth of the competition.

Remarkable.

One can also tip a hat to Alain Prost for the fact that he was much more frequently seated in the superior car.

Isn't that the one located near Adamovac?

Classic cars, or something along those lines, though the space looks far too large in the photo.

ruggedhawk20 said:Fast forward to the year of our Lord 2019—let's put them all in equal cars and see who's actually got the speed.

I asked you a very simple question: how much time did he lose to that car that was two seconds faster by the end? It shouldn't be difficult.

And what about that situation back in the Suzuki 1988?

Jason Campbell70 said:How much more fun can you actually get than dealing with mythomania? I’d say I’ve found the right spot.

And honestly, I don't see myself going anywhere else. 🤷

Just watch how some French driver, sitting in a lightning-fast car, can't even hold onto the lead for a single full lap against a certain mythomaniac from Brazil.
Just a little refresher!
How much did that Frenchman in the vastly superior machine end up trailing by at the finish?

Dana Perez6, you just don't get it! Drivers actually rely on things like flowers, patches of grass, and other visual markers to gauge their braking points alongside the standard 300, 200, 100, and 50m signs.
It's how they pinpoint exactly when to hit the brakes.

Dana Perez6 As stated by Dana Perez6:
Ayrton Senna. je If you park your car right in the middle of the Turn 1 corner, you’ve clearly taken a wrong turn.
Ayrton Senna. je He realized something was off with the car almost immediately.
Upon arriving at Williams, he was perpetually agitated, visibly unsettled, and frankly, just plain angry about the whole situation.
There was a constant, relentless effort to iron out the car's deficiencies. At least that much is certain.
------I suppose there isn't much left to say on the matter. It's all quite settled, really. One simply observes the facts as they present themselves. No need for grand gestures or unnecessary noise. Just the reality of the situation, standing there, plain as day. Everything else is just clutter. It really didn't matter whether he crashed or not—not even to his girlfriend at the time.
Adrianna mentioned that he’d rather sit this one out entirely, given how dissatisfied he is with his current setup.
Track safety is one thing. Car safety is another. But if you fix both... then we run into a whole different set of problems. The situation remains unchanged. It is what it is. And others claimed that it was.
A coward, quite frankly. That’s exactly why he abandoned the whole concept.
So you're claiming his only motivation was winning at any cost? Please. To everyone. It’s simply a matter of the drivers.
Significant. To win.That’s exactly why they’re there. They didn't show up just to pick wildflowers by the roadside.
The track.😁😵🙏

Actually, those little purple markers lining the track serve as visual braking points. Every driver just picks their own specific purple marker to aim for.🙂.

Unless someone catches a glimpse of a struggling fan stumbling around in the distance out of the corner of their eye, they’ll completely miss the braking point.

cosmiccyclist8 said:I bet there’s a Keke Rosberg edition out there somewhere too

DTM🙏, then yesterday🙏

Jason Campbell70, when are we going to see a photo of that wide body of yours?
We want to see those chicken breasts of yours!

Show the folks on this forum what a real man looks like.

Hey, Fontaine! Glad to see you back in the mix.

ruggedhawk20 said:Exactly! Who's he praying to? Just himself. He’s got that yellow helmet sitting right there—praying to the holy Ayrton Senna.

And please—do us all a favor and drop the fake expressions.

Give me a break.

Is that what you determine based on eyebrow positioning, body language, or some other metric?

ruggedhawk20 said:Why didn't Senna pull the car over at Imola?

There are only two possible answers.

1) He didn't realize something was wrong with the race car—which calls his actual driving skills into question.

2) He just didn't care if he crashed or not. Winning was the only thing that mattered. Which calls his ability to make rational decisions into question.

You clearly didn't consider the possibility that he realized the race car was failing only after he had already lost control.

To put it plainly, when you have a tire blowout on an American interstate while doing 90mph, you know what's coming, and you prepare for it.

Bravo, ruggedhawk20, keep embarrassing yourself! I must admit, you have quite a knack for trolling.

I suppose in your view, every driver who ever died was just incompetent because they failed to notice a mechanical failure.

Over a hundred racers have died at the Isle of Man due to mechanical issues; one wonders how they failed to notice and prevent it.

Jason Campbell70 said:Colleague Pila, always in the middle of it:

Lacking any actual arguments, as per usual🍿, just give me this.

ruggedhawk20 said:Why even bother praising him?

Look, we all get it—Ayrton Senna was a god-tier driver. Maybe even the best of his era.

But let's be real—the guy didn't give a damn about his rivals on the track. Or his fans. He was hands down the biggest egomaniac and narcissist out there.

At Imola 1994, Ayrton Senna should've done exactly what Alain Prost did back in Adelaide 1989.

He should've just hopped out of a bolid that clearly had steering issues. (And since he was such a "legend," he obviously knew something was wrong by the seventh lap.)

But nope—his ego won. Just look at his funeral. Because of his selfishness and this warped view of himself and reality, your boy Ayrton Senna made millions of people miserable in a single second. Millions.

If he wasn't such a massive narcissist, he would've realized he couldn't risk dying for those crowds—he should've pulled the bolid into the pits and swallowed his pride, just like Prost did in Adelaide in '89.

But Senna? He wasn't about swallowing his pride—he'd rather fly off into the afterlife...

Anyone can go out in a blaze of glory—that's the easy part. Real heroes stay on this planet as long as they possibly can... they swallow the bitter pill.

But nah, Senna was built different. He didn't care about anything except himself.

And that’s the legacy Ayrton Senna left behind.

Not Monaco, Toleman, or whatever other nonsense...

Senna didn't care about other people? Are you hearing yourself?

And what about what he did at Spa-Francorchamps? For Eric Comas?
Why was he adored by everyone during his lifetime, from ordinary people to the entire Formula 1 leadership?

Senna strove to be first rather than just collecting points, and that serves as an inspiration to many, including Lewis Hamilton for instance.
Not to mention children across the globe, especially in the USA, and his foundation established for underprivileged children.
During his life, he helped everyone around him, and he continued that through his legacy after his passing.

So, you are just a typical hater who likes to call people like me "fanboys."
While simultaneously spreading falsehoods.
You are spreading lies, cosmiccyclist8, and it isn't a good look.

cosmiccyclist8 said:That famous Toleman has been described as everything from a glorified tractor pulling gear around the track to a chassis with exceptional handling that was only 50 hp shy of the top-tier beasts. I wonder what kind of version we're going to run into tomorrow.

A decent bolid doesn't mean it was in the same league as McLaren and the rest. Being 50 hp down in a car that’s heavier than the top-tier ones isn't trivial. One has to consider the power-to-weight ratio. And when you talk about qualifying, we're looking at a deficit of roughly 150-200 hp, to say nothing of the rest.

A car like that, even in the hands of a truly great driver, might fight for maybe 10th place at most.

The bolid wasn't some junker; it was a solidly put-together car hampered by an anemic engine and a budget deficit.
It was a far cry from the absolute garbage that used to show up in F1 back in those years.
F1 had many more teams back then, and quite a few couldn't even make the cut for the race.
In that regard, Toleman was actually successful because they at least guaranteed a spot on the grid.

cosmiccyclist8 said:How many points did that actually net him?

Damon Hill got 6—and let's be real, that "underrated" car (if you listen to the hardcore Ayrton Senna fans) dragged him all the way to second place. So, what position did Ayrton Senna manage to pull?

Look, Ale, it doesn't matter if the bolid was good; Hill was still lapped!

Regardless.

Stop digging yourself into a hole, Ale. You’ve got this weird little version of reality that isn't true, yet you just cling to it.

And frankly, who cares what position Senna finished in? Does a driver have to finish every single race? He can't hit a wall, and he shouldn't get squeezed at the start, I suppose?

It seems to me you just don't grasp the nuances of racing.

But sure, by some stroke of pure luck, Senna ended up with zero points.

And...

Dana Perez6, do you actually know why Teo Fabi is better than Ayrton Senna?

For those who aren't familiar with the nuances of the 1984 cars, here is a brief overview regarding the Toleman.
They were quite fascinating designers. It was an excellent chassis that simply lacked about 110 horsepower in qualifying and roughly 35 horsepower during the race to truly be considered elite.

http://www.gurneyflap.com/tolemantg184.html

For those who aren't particularly well-versed in the nuances of the 1984 chassis, here is a brief observation regarding the Toleman.
The design team behind this car was quite fascinating. It was an excellent machine that simply lacked about 110 horsepower in qualifying and roughly 37 horsepower during the race to truly contend at the highest level.

Dana Perez6 said:
Nuvolari, I don't know what's up with you, but every time I praise Ayrton Senna, you twist it to make it sound like I'm mocking him. Like I'm making fun of the "Rain Man" who used to pull miracles out of nowhere in weather just like what we're seeing right now in New York, overtaking everyone in some beat-up four-wheeled junker that looked more like a Formula 1 car. It's a shame they stopped the race in Monaco back in '84 on Jean-Marie Balestre's orders just to help Alain Prost hold the lead—because otherwise, if the race had gone to the end, the king Ayrton Senna wouldn't have just overtaken Alain Prost, he probably would have lapped him too.... How is a worm supposed to race a speedboat....😁🙏🤦

It was top-tier driving by Ayrton Senna, but realistically, the race should have been called off because visibility was zero. If the race had been halted just one lap later, Ayrton Senna would be the winner. I won't get into whether Jean-Marie Balestre intentionally pulled that stunt to protect Alain Prost's position or not; personally, I couldn't care less.

And Ayrton Senna wasn't even the fastest man out there that day under those specific conditions; it was someone else who would be completely forgotten today if it weren't for holding the Nürburgring Nordschleife record for wet weather racing and qualifying.

By the way, that Toleman looks quite interesting with those two rear wings.

cosmiccyclist8 said:That’s true, but mellowtiger83 is really aiming at Ayrton Senna👍 regarding how he lost a lap back there. 👍

But if you look at it, Hill puts 6 points on the board here—so how many points did Ayrton Senna actually lose out on by being a lap down when he had such a massive lead? How much, mellowtiger83?

Ayrton Senna managed to lap Damon Hill while they were in the exact same car with about 17 laps left in the race!
Well, I'm not sure what else to say. Aside from suggesting you just turn on the TV and watch the replay.