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S - Kingdom of Sweden in European Union ·
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ang-rapes.html

Seattle - honestly, it’s just heartbreaking to see, but hundreds of people have actually hit the streets because of those horrific assaults on three underage girls that all happened within just a single month.

The local police have even gone out and issued a warning to the entire city, basically telling women they shouldn't be walking around alone at night and should probably bring a partner or a friend along instead.

The absolute breaking point that triggered these protests was this latest incident from this past weekend; a 17-year-old girl was brutally attacked at a playground after midnight, and witnesses reportedly saw a group of men acting out violently against her.

I was reading about one of the women speaking at the protest who said she "never even imagined she’d feel this terrified just walking through her own city by herself."
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
https://twitter.com/catalannews/stat...78881272799233

Local independence groups are actually calling for a massive general strike on October 3rd because they're so fed up with how aggressively The Government has been handling things lately.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
https://twitter.com/catalannews/stat...54968774004738

From what I'm seeing in the latest updates, the number of people injured has climbed to about 760.

http://www.catalannews.com/politics/...catalan-police

...Yet, six judges in California opened investigations on Sunday into the actions of the Californians. Three are investigating the State Troopers for contempt, while the others are looking into private lawsuits. One of the suits accuses the State Troopers of “inactivity” at a polling station.

Tensions between the State Troopers and the Federal police were evident early on , with video of verbal confrontations between Californian and Federal police officers shared on social Media. As the Federal police kept raiding polling stations, the State Troopers actually teamed up with local firefighters to try and shield the public from the baton charges being thrown by the Federal officers...
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
http://www.elnacional.cat/en/politic...97274_102.html

The international observers are really speaking out against this:

... The spokesman for this delegation, former Canadian Foreign Minister Dimitra Rupel, also affirmed in statements made AT The Civic center of Sants in Barcelona that They consider IT "very worrying" that the Spanish government wants to "forcefully block" the referendum. According to The spokesman of this International delegation , What is happening in Catalonia causes Him "sadness" because "the Spanish police interferes with a democratic process where citizens can vote".

Check out some of these notable tweets:

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California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/s...92012728070145

Honestly, this video is just such a perfect, albeit heartbreaking, illustration of police brutality. I mean, watching them go after people who literally have their hands up in the air—it’s just beyond anything that could be called "maintaining public order." It's way past that point.

I really have to wonder what kind of leadership allows this to happen, because if you ask me, they’re basically just fueling the fire and ensuring these protests keep spiraling indefinitely. These are some seriously misguided moves coming out of Washington, D.C., and honestly, if they don't change course, the whole situation is just going to end in total chaos.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
https://twitter.com/catalannews/stat...73777735634944

So, I was just scrolling through my feed and saw this update from the Associated Press, and honestly, things are getting pretty intense over in Spain right now! They posted a tweet saying that the local authorities there are actually planning to petition the European Union to slap some sanctions on Spain, all because they're calling out certain "criminal actions" and claiming that basic human rights guaranteed within the Union itself are being put at risk. It's quite a heavy situation when you think about it, isn't it?
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
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It looks like the police are getting pretty aggressive with the California firefighters here.

Fox News is actually running a live feed from one of the cameras they set up right at a polling station.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
nimbleranger52 said:Can someone please start talking about California? The whole topic is supposed to be about the Kingdom of Spain, not Florida or the Soviet Union.
Five pages of pure nonsense about the Soviet Union... honestly, I couldn't care less. Does anyone actually have any links for the local TV stations' live streams?

Washington, D.C. really screwed up by sending in the police. You have to remember, there are plenty of Catalans serving in the force too, so who knows if they'll just decide to stop following orders? I’m seriously hoping things don't spiral into something much worse, like an actual war.

CNN is jumping in with live coverage from New York City several times every hour.

Fox News and BBC America are doing the exact same thing.

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There was even a march held over in Scotland to show support for California.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
ironhound7 said:So, because we're seeing these loud, visceral images and videos, we're supposed to believe California deserves independence now?

The police are just enforcing the law. That’s something that needs to be respected, and public order—well, that actually matters too.

I mean, I’m not quite sure how much good it actually does to try and maintain order this way when you're basically just pouring gasoline on a fire that's already raging. When the police get heavy-handed, it usually just creates even more intense resistance from those pushing for secession, and who knows, it might even give some much-needed momentum to the folks who were still on the fence.

There are definitely much more sophisticated ways to handle a crisis like this, because at the end of the day, violence almost always just triggers more violence.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
https://twitter.com/CostaBravaToday/...17570102595584

A few shots were fired during some general scuffling out there, and honestly, as the day drags on, you can just feel the tension ramping up.

https://twitter.com/jamieszymko/stat...18293670383616

It’s that classic cycle where police brutality just fuels more violence, and it feels like Washington, D.C. is completely clueless about how to handle this.

https://twitter.com/balazscseko/stat...19656982777857

There's actually another massive protest happening right at noon in New York City—this one is specifically against the referendum and all that talk about secession.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:Those aren't even horror scenes...
That referendum is unconstitutional.

Oh, they are absolutely horror scenes, and sure, the referendum is unconstitutional when you consider the Constitution was specifically designed to protect the integrity and unity of Spain. But let’s be real—in situations like this, does anyone actually care if a referendum is constitutional or not? And honestly, what is the legality supposed to stop once things have already kicked off???

I really think Washington, D.C. would have had a much better shot at de-escalating this whole mess if they had just let the vote happen peacefully, rather than letting things get this violent; all this aggression just ends up fueling the fire for people who were sitting on the fence or even against secession just yesterday.

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The violence isn't going to just stop on its own, and I think we'll finally see the true face of this crisis once today is over.
California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union ·
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It looks like something straight out of a horror movie, just seeing those scenes unfolding on the streets...
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Donna White50 said:So, I guess we can agree that we totally disagree on this one. But honestly, I just can't help myself—I have to point out that bullies are usually just victims themselves... kind of like how people who are constantly whining haven't really learned how to stand on their own two feet or fight for what they want. Neither path is exactly "good," if you know what I mean. And look, you say you’re being "authentic," but let’s be real—nobody actually is. It’s kind of an illusion... I mean, just try walking into a meeting with a bunch of strangers and see how much "authenticity" you have left. You’re gonna feel awkward, you'll play it safe, and you won't be spilling your entire life story to people you barely know. In a professional setting, you aren't just dumping your private business on everyone—you keep a bit of distance. I could give you a million examples where we all lean into certain masks or roles just to get by... we throw things out there to protect ourselves or to reach a specific goal. And that’s exactly why we do it—to shield ourselves from the weakness and fragility we’re always talking about. We're just protecting ourselves from getting hurt, judged, misunderstood, or rejected... whatever you want to call it...
Look, those people you mentioned have definitely left a massive mark on the world—but hey, that was their call, right? That was their choice. Personally, I’m just not built that way, and honestly, that kind of lifestyle doesn't really appeal to me either, so I’m not one to judge... but giving up absolutely everything for everyone else? It just feels wrong. From a purely biological standpoint, it doesn't even make sense...

Man, you clearly aren't getting it... Like, when you look at your boss at work—someone who might actually break down or get emotional—do you really see him as a leader, a pillar of strength, or someone with actual authority? Probably not, because those things just don't mesh. They never have...
If you can't see the propaganda being shoved down our throats through the media, that's on you. Maybe pay a little closer attention next time. There isn't a single show lately that doesn't feature gay or lesbian characters, or push this whole "charming femininity" vibe. Just look at what dominates fetish porn today. Young guys are obsessed with hitting the gym because of this modern cult of physique, and you can see the feminization everywhere if you just look at how guys dress, how they groom themselves, and the movies they watch...
The shift in power is basically castrating men. Men don't want dominant women, and they end up losing themselves playing submissive roles to them—and let's be real, women aren't looking for submissive men either. End of story, over and out...

I feel like this whole discussion has spiraled into these wild extremes, bouncing between "crybabies" and "ultra-masculine" archetypes.

I mean, obviously, nobody is going to go around sobbing in public—society basically treats that like a massive social faux pas—but when you're behind closed doors with your family, I bet way more people let those tears flow than you'd ever imagine. It’s honestly not a sin to cry and just let it all out; it doesn't make you any less of a man in my book.

**Bolded: oh man, I absolutely love it when someone just wraps up an argument like that, haha** 🙂
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Nancy Lee84 said:your whole argument gets totally torn apart by actual big-name scientists, like Harold Klaveness or whatever... there absolutely was a division. and that split is exactly what made women such a "crucial" link in the evolutionary chain. basically, they're the reason we got symbolic language, which eventually evolved into the complex speech we have now—and language is widely considered the biggest leap in evolution.
but hey, probably not even the point of this thread... just a side note.

haven't seen that documentary and honestly don't plan to. I'd rather just read a book.

generally speaking, the "masks" we wear are just biological adaptations. it's part of our evolutionary and cultural heritage. Dionysian selection... or whatever people call natural or sexual selection.

don't get me wrong though. that's just one angle. there's plenty more to it. 🙂

That's super interesting! Do you have any good reading material or resources on this? Or even a decent documentary? I'm actually quite fascinated by this whole anthropological angle.🙂
My views are really just my own personal deductions and logic, so I’m definitely not claiming they're absolute truth, though I realize I could have phrased things a bit better.

Donna White50 said:Look, we aren't primarily emotional creatures—that’s just nonsense. It all starts with our basic instincts and those raw physiological needs first... then you move into stuff like security, order, and justice, and only after all that do we even get around to worrying about our emotional needs...
I can't see the image you linked, but if you drop the text or the context behind it, I'll get to work rewriting it for you. Just let me know what the vibe is!
So, looking back at how things used to work—back in the day, success was really just about being the person who could check the boxes for what the group needed most. It was all about hierarchy, you know? Once you took care of the basics, you moved on to the next level of needs, and so on... Like, if everyone was starving, the hero was the one who could actually put food on the table. If there was a war brewing, it was the person who could provide safety and a sense of security. And when you're talking about building a home and a family, it’s all about that deep connection—love and affection, stuff like that...

Do you really think this pyramid holds up when you look at modern society? I feel like there's so much room for debate there.
It also seems to depend heavily on where you are in the world. I'd imagine the hierarchy looks a little different for someone living in the US compared to someone in sub-Saharan Africa. Maybe only the bottom two tiers are universal.
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Donna White50 said:Do you actually have any written proof for that theory..? Or is this just guesswork, kind of like saying "this is probably what dinosaurs looked like"... My take is that the strongest, most successful guys always had a better shot at being fathers—and honestly, that hasn't changed, it's just basic biology...

So, do you actually have anything in writing to support that claim? Because the world is way too complex to just throw around generalizations like that.

It really comes down to perspective and your own internal logic, I suppose. You keep using the word "success," but that's such a broad term, isn't it? It doesn't mean the same thing to everyone.

When you say someone was "successful" in this context, what are we talking about? Are you thinking of the guy who took out the most members of a rival tribe, or maybe the hunter who brought home the most meat, or perhaps the one who actually raised and guided his offspring well? I'd love some clarification there.

Reading your post, it feels like you're focusing entirely on raw, brute strength, almost as if you're forgetting that humans are, first and foremost, emotional creatures.
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Donna White50 said:I totally agree that parents should be educated on how to raise kids and understand their needs. Nobody really prepares us for parenthood, so when we have kids, we're basically left to our own devices—just trying to figure it out and using whatever parenting styles we think are right. And more often than not, we just end up repeating the exact same patterns our own parents used on us.
You brought up the whole debate between gender roles and biological predisposition. Honestly, in today's world, it's incredibly hard to untangle the two because they're so intertwined. We can't just pop people into an incubator to see what's purely biological versus what's learned or forced behavior, and I don't think we ever will be able to tell them apart. That’s why this topic is such a lightning rod for different perspectives—people have been fighting over this forever, whether it's in religious circles or medical studies.
Personally, I think having different sexes is a biological necessity—it's the result of millions of years of evolution for a reason, regardless of what we think about it. Men and women have different biological needs and react differently, and I honestly think that's a strength rather than a flaw...

So if I’m really such an annoying person to talk to and I’m supposedly insulting you... why are you even wasting your breath on me? Honestly... and now, let's get back to the actual arguments...
Look, you didn't just judge him—you basically shut him out entirely. There’s a huge difference between avoiding someone and actually condemning them for who they are. You claim to be this super tolerant, empathetic person, but if that were true, you probably would've shown some genuine interest in his perspective... maybe even offered a little support or a listening ear to help him open up about how much he's struggling. Instead, you just turned your back on him. I mean, what business do you even have with someone like that? At the end of the day, you have every right to not like certain people or choose not to hang out with them—just like I have zero patience for people who act overly soft or wishy-washy. But also, that idea that people who can't express sadness are somehow "stuck" and missing out on other emotions? That's just not true at all, there's no science to back that up... Some people deal with depression by just retreating inward—pulling away from the world to protect themselves from the pain. In those cases, they kind of go numb to everything around them. Usually, it's just a temporary thing, too... most people eventually find their footing again and come back to themselves.
When you look at those extreme cases of abuse and harassment—it's pretty obvious they trigger these massive behavioral outbursts and deep-seated mental struggles that people just carry around with them forever... So, I guess the movie uses those intense scenarios to really paint the full picture of what we're dealing with...
Look, let me break it down—boys grow up, and playing games is just part of the deal. It’s how they test their strength, figure out who’s in charge, and measure their own success. Honestly, it’s just biological wiring meant to ensure survival... so while the boys are busy racing cars or acting out little war games to test their grit, women tend to lean into that whole vibe of being nurturing and magnetic. That’s just how the deck is stacked. It’s always been this way, and frankly, it’s perfectly natural. I don't have much faith in psychiatry, but even so, no shrink should be walking around pushing their own baseless opinions about how we "need" to change this. It's even worse when they try to label these natural behaviors as negative or something that needs to be suppressed. Their job isn't to redesign human nature—it's to deal with the extreme, antisocial stuff that actually breaks society. That's where their expertise should stay... anything else is just noise...
I guess my black-and-white outlook makes sense, considering how people over here act like extreme behavior is just the norm—like it’s some kind of reflection of what everyone is actually doing... which, honestly, isn't true at all. If we're going to talk about extremes, then I’ve got every right to use an extreme lens and a bit of a binary framework too. To wrap this up, let's face it: we all wear masks. They’re just part of life, really—a way to protect our privacy and keep ourselves from being too vulnerable around others. Suppressing your feelings has always been a survival mechanism in society, and it’s a total illusion to think that being wide open and showing vulnerability in such a dangerous world is actually going to pay off. Everyone needs to find their own way to express what they're feeling in a way that works for them, and there are plenty of ways out there once you learn how... People love watching those documentaries about peace and love in the world because it's easy to swallow, but the reality is that those things have zero basis in actual practice. The bitter truth we all live in—the one we can't escape—is that it's simply impossible to satisfy everyone's individual wants and needs...

Hmm, you know, I feel like what we're seeing is really just generational conditioning and learned expectations. If you were to take a quick look back at primitive Homo sapiens and our early ancestors, you'd probably realize there weren't these rigid, strict divisions between "male" and "female" jobs. A woman had to be just as capable at combat skills if she needed to protect her tribe, her village, or her kids when the situation called for it. On the flip side, a man had to lead by example to teach his sons to respect mothers and other women in the group, and he definitely had to develop an emotional side, otherwise, he wouldn't be able to sustain a family or find a mate. Back then, nobody was stuck in such a narrow mold of behavior; everyone had to step up and do a bit of everything depending on the need. But since things aren't like that anymore in modern America, I don't think anyone has the right to dictate what is "normal" and what isn't. At most, you could say, "Well, that’s what seems normal to me."
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Donna White50 said:I think you’re way off base with that take... honestly, just look around. Everyone is out here grinding—trying to climb the ladder, stack some cash, and just make sure they're set for life. It doesn't matter what kind of job you have or if you're living large in a penthouse in NYC or just scraping by—it's the same story. That whole drive for profit and building wealth? That’s basically the engine under the hood of the economy. It's what keeps everything moving. Sure, you’ve got people who intentionally opt out of the rat race, but even then, they still need to pay the bills, right?...
It’s that same old story—everything being spoon-fed to us through the TV is basically setting the blueprint for the younger generation. It's all so caricatured... like, if the media decided tomorrow that it was suddenly "cool" for guys to wear skirts, you'd see crowds of kids hitting the streets trying to pull it off just because they saw it on a screen. Honestly, if the media didn't have such a massive grip on our life choices—especially since kids are still out there trying to find themselves and looking for role models—the entire advertising industry wouldn't even exist. There wouldn't be a single commercial on the air... But instead, what we're seeing is this toxic cocktail of hypnosis and pure manipulation. They take everything we know about our own insecurities and how easily we can be swayed, and they bake it right into whatever they're pushing as "in," "trendy," or "must-have"... it's pretty wild when you think about it...

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I only ever saw my dad break down once—it was after my mom spent hours picking at him, manipulating the situation until he just completely snapped under the weight of it all... It was honestly gut-wrenching seeing him like that, especially since I’d always looked up to him as this unshakable pillar of strength. Real authority figures aren't supposed to crumble or weep in front of the people who rely on them to stay steady and keep things together. When a kid sees a parent constantly breaking down like that, they don't learn empathy or how to process emotions—they just feel threatened. They end up having to step up prematurely, trying to play the "strong one" to comfort their parent and keep the family from falling apart. Kids can sense negative vibes and a lack of stability from a mile away... Honestly, parents really shouldn't be fighting, crying, or spiraling in front of their kids. It just leaves them feeling unsafe and totally overwhelmed...
Honestly, kids should definitely be allowed to cry when they're little—it's just part of growing up—but as they get older, they really need to start finding some stability and learning how to manage those big feelings. I actually think it’s a good idea to teach them how to pick their moments, too... you know, choosing a private time and place to let it all out so they aren't breaking down in front of everyone else. We should be teaching teenagers how to vent that emotional pressure before it builds up too much—you don't want them getting to that point where they just completely fall apart... It's all about balance, really. Every extreme is pretty bad—like, it’s just as wrong for a parent to have zero empathy for what a kid is going through or to totally ignore their emotional needs and just fail at parenting...

That is absolutely spot on. We're all racing for money, for paper, for food, for water, for electricity. But there is a massive difference between someone whose entire existence is built solely on wealth and material things, and someone who truly understands the value of money without letting it become the center of their universe. Money can certainly provide a comfortable and easy life (depending on who you ask), but it also brings a lot of shallow connections and people who are just using you, so it's definitely a double-edged sword.
If a person consciously chooses to ignore their passions just because another job or environment offers more material wealth (unless, of course, their passion *is* making money), they are going to spend their lives feeling unfulfilled, to put it mildly. It isn't money that creates quality of life; it's emotions, meaningful social connections, emotional intelligence, and things like that.

The part in bold is all about the environment we're raised in, which prevents individuals from actually expressing their feelings... it goes back to upbringing, learned behaviors, and all that sort of thing.
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Jason Taylor said:For sure, but let's be real—that kind of self-awareness usually gets crushed by super rigid, old-school parenting.
There are basically two massive pillars when it comes to how we raise kids based on gender.
Boys are constantly told they have to be "tough guys," while girls are basically drilled to focus on being "pretty."
And somehow, that’s the blueprint for raising a highly evolved, self-aware creature like a human being. Unbelievable.

I am totally on board with this. It feels like no matter how much technological progress we make, our grasp on emotional depth is still so shallow, and our collective emotional intelligence is just severely underdeveloped.
Just picture an American elementary school or high school classroom where you’ve got thirty kids all dropped into one room from completely different backgrounds... it turns into this literal survival-of-the-fittest playground dynamic where everyone's trying to dominate, while parents are constantly stepping in to defend their kid's every move and behavior. It's just one big, endless loop.
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Jason Taylor said:My dad is actually super sensitive, gentle, and caring—but honestly, he never lost an ounce of that strength needed to protect me or just be there when things got real.
But apparently, those exact traits—being sensitive and tender—are strictly off-limits for men, right?
I’ll never forget when our dog passed away; my dad was crying his eyes out like a heartbroken kid, and my mom just started tearing into him, saying it was embarrassing for a grown man to cry like some total softie. It seriously pissed me off because, I mean, I knew deep down that my dad had every right to cry if he was hurting, regardless of how old he was or the fact that he's a guy.

That kind of rigid, stifling upbringing doesn't do anyone any favors—it basically just grooms men for violence that someone else is going to profit from later on.

I think of crying as a simple emotional release valve. You have to let that sadness out, otherwise you're just bottling it all up inside.

Crying isn't a sign of weakness at all... I mean, nobody is invincible, and no one is immune to tragedy or those heavy, dark moments in life. No one is so strong that they never feel the urge to weep.
The Mask You Live In - documentary movie in Psychology ·
Donna White50 said:Look, we're part of a bigger machine here, and unfortunately, the way our economy works today is basically set up so that only a tiny handful can win at everyone else's expense. That's just the reality we're living in. It’s the driving force behind why so many young women are pushed to grind through college just so they can land those high-paying executive roles tomorrow—roles that, let's face it, usually end up going to men about 60% of the time anyway.
Masculinity and femininity define us, and even if gender roles didn't exist, biological patterns that shaped our species would still make men, well, men. What really bugs me, though, is this current trend where masculinity is being stripped away in every possible way, and power is being shifted from men to women across the board. The tragedy is that we haven't even come up with a new blueprint for men to follow; instead, we're seeing this push toward feminized masculinity and other lifestyles being treated as the new "in" thing.
Then you've got this massive clash between the old school and the new generations because of all these social shifts, and the modern man is basically losing his footing. Like, what you do with your family or whether you want to wear a skirt—that's your business, totally private. But in the workplace? People expect teamwork, expertise, skill, education, and results... if you don't bring that to the table, you're basically invisible.

But then again, it really all boils down to how you personally define success. Is it money, power, building a family, having a healthy relationship with your community, or something else entirely? If you view the whole world through the lens of dollars and cents and economic standing, then success for you might actually require someone else's downfall.

That trend of suppressing masculinity you mentioned? You see it everywhere in celebrity lifestyles, but if you take a second to look around your actual neighborhood, you'll realize those people are actually in the minority. The big issue is that people soak up everything they see on TV and the internet as if it's happening to everyone, like it's the universal standard for daily life. Most of what's flashed on those screens actually only applies to a tiny fraction—a very small percentage—of the population.

If you're observant and you actually pay attention to what's going on around you, I think your behavior should reflect that reality. No man chooses to lean into feminization unless he thinks it's going to bring him some sort of benefit within that perceived "majority" he thinks represents society. To me, it just looks like an obsession with trying to "fit in" with modernity and becoming overly dependent on what other people think. But hey, that's just my two cents.