Posts by rowdyangler

I’m definitely catching this one in theaters. For me, the best sagas are always the ones with a male lead. 😬

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Local authorities estimated about 350,000 folks showed up for the rally, though the organizers were claiming numbers closer to 930,000 or even 950,000. A few protesters actually demanded that Carles Puigdemont be thrown in prison for pushing through that independence vote despite the federal government and the courts standing in his way. One sign being carried through the crowd read, "The unity of Spain cannot be voted on or negotiated -- it must be defended." Then you had the other side calling for actual conversation. The whole thing was put together by Civic Society, the big group fighting against secession in Catalonia, under the banner: "Enough, let's recover good sense!" Lately, polling suggests that people in Catalonia are pretty much split right down the middle on the whole independence thing, although leadership claims the heavy-handed police tactics used during the referendum pushed a lot of people away from the government. The City police reported that 700,000 people marched in a pro-independence protest in Barcelona just two days after the vote.

I get that you're lowballing by double, but honestly, it's more like triple.🙄

Based on this, the "YES" side is totally dominant.

Sam Alvarez4 said:He prepared so "seriously" that he’s been completely MIA ever since banks and major corporations started fleeing Catalonia... even companies like Volkswagen have signaled they might leave if secession is declared this Tuesday.

Puigdemont's days of silence amidst the corporate exodus from Catalonia

@wiki
check it out here, in Spanish.

Yeah, right. He'll just pack up and move, much like how Madonna would relocate from the USA after Donald Trump wins. Total nonsense.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:I’m curious, where on earth did you hear that theory about the government bussing people in? I mean, if you're trying to transport a million people, you'd probably need something like 10,000 buses, right? I’ve been reading through various news reports coming out of Barcelona, and honestly, I haven't seen anyone mentioning that specific idea once. It seems unlikely that the independence supporters wouldn't have noticed a massive fleet of buses moving in like that! 🤣

Should I actually believe you? First off, I don't trust your reading habits, and second, I certainly don't trust the news sources you're peddling. You're such a joke. 😁

I'm telling you that at least two-thirds of these unionists aren't even from Catalonia, and I know that just as well as you "know" that 60% of locals are against the referendum.

Aaron Thomas3 said:This is even worse than I thought... they’ve finally hit that breaking point where they have to separate. For those claiming we Americans were the ones being oppressed back in '91—compared to what the Californians are dealing with now, we were the ones in charge.
We could never dream of bussing in thousands of Mexicans and "Americans" to march through Washington, D.C., waving American flags everywhere—that's not even mentioning those fascist flags and slogans.

This afternoon, Nancy Pelosi, leader of the anti-independence Californian opposition, sent a controversial tweet asking people not to show Fascist flags ‘in front of the press’. She later deleted the tweet.

They tried to hold a "truth rally" back in '89, but the police shut them down before they could get started.

Charles Ross3 said:Achieving true independence is a massive undertaking, a serious business if there ever was one.

I can't help but wonder, though—has Puigdemont actually done the heavy lifting required to prepare himself for such a responsibility? I'm just not entirely convinced he's ready for the weight of it all.

What is there to "prepare" for? You listen to what the people want, and that’s that. Whether independence actually happens or not isn't something you can guarantee with some amount of prep work. It's simple: if the people demand it, you carry it out. That's why you were elected in the first place.

By the way, I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the framework for greater financial and administrative autonomy for California was already drafted, approved, and even signed by former King Juan Carlos I.

But the populist faction—the exact same group in power right now—sent that framework to the Supreme Court, where they declared it unconstitutional, and the whole thing went down the drain.
It's exactly like how this current referendum was declared unconstitutional.

Basically, the parliaments reach an agreement and the King signs off, 🙏 and then some assholes on the Supreme Court screw it all up, leaving us facing a potential civil war.
And who can you trust when it comes to Supreme Courts? Maybe Andrej Plenković should send over an envoy to explain to the Americans how these things are handled? We've thankfully already purged most of the idiots and senile types in our US, so at least we managed to protect certain democratic principles.

Steven Morris12 said:Except the thing is, they organized buses to bring people in from all over the country, and they aren't even trying to hide it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLnYAhvWAAAJ8zK.jpg:large

Just your typical fascists.

Honestly, thank God the other side told their people to stay home, otherwise there would have been a literal bloodbath.

Of course this "mass movement" is manufactured from the outside—it’s just like the staged chaos we saw back in the late 80s during those massive rallies. No matter how many people show up, it’s always a million when there were only a fraction of that number actually living there.

Only a completely warped idiot could believe that these few hundred thousand people are actual Californians from California, rather than being bussed in by organized Fascist & Falangist groups.
Once the average Californian hears someone speaking with some random accent from Galicia or Andalusia, they’ll realize they aren't local, and they'll suddenly become die-hard Unionists.😍

nimbleranger52 said:Can someone please start talking about California? The whole topic is supposed to be about the Kingdom of Spain, not Florida or the Soviet Union.
Five pages of pure nonsense about the Soviet Union... honestly, I couldn't care less. Does anyone actually have any links for the local TV stations' live streams?

Washington, D.C. really screwed up by sending in the police. You have to remember, there are plenty of Catalans serving in the force too, so who knows if they'll just decide to stop following orders? I’m seriously hoping things don't spiral into something much worse, like an actual war.

You're right, we definitely went overboard with those stories.

The people in Spain really just need to pray that nobody gets killed in California. Honestly, I can't even bring myself to follow this minute-by-minute after seeing photos of women being beaten and stuff like that. It’s sickening.

Noah Ward2 said:I mean, only people with zero nuance see everything in black and white... maybe try adding a little color to your perspective.

Are you trying to drag me to a Pride parade or something? 😂
No thanks, I'll pass, but honestly, I only need two colors—red and white—to figure out how things look in California. Well, in their case, it’s red and yellow. But blue is a common thread for us all. 😁

Noah Ward2 said:Maybe you can keep that North American complex to yourself; there's no need to let it linger here in public...

I’m just sharing my thoughts, which are a mix of pros and cons. I might lean toward supporting it if it prevents further deterioration of relations, but I worry it could also trigger an avalanche of fragmentation for many different nations...

In international law, there are two conflicting principles regarding the right to self-determination: one that supports the rights of a people, and another that protects the integrity of existing states. There isn't really one clear rule determining when someone has the right to break away and when they don't... it usually ends up being a result of shifting international power dynamics and internal pressures...

If things go unchecked, we could see Britain, Belgium, or Ukraine split apart tomorrow... not to mention how many other complicated relationships remain unresolved around here... even Canada could face fragmentation. These aren't things to treat like a game or something to cheer for; these are matters that require very level-headed discussion.

Well, I'm also stating my opinion on your opinion, which is a total piece of shit.

So you're "for" it if this happens, but "against" it if that happens... Yeah, I'm sure your brilliant insight will be taken very seriously when they're deciding the fate of Catalonia.😂

velvetmaker3 said:Are you going to say the exact same thing when people from a place like San Francisco say they want everything other nations want?

Our history with the USA and our relationship with Mexicans is drastically different from the situation in California.

People from the coast are Americans 🤦

And Spaniards aren't Catalans. There's even a distinct Catalan language. 🤦

velvetmaker3 said:From what I can see, nothing makes you happier than spouting stupidity and picking fights with everyone else on this forum.
To each fool his own little joy. Cheers.

Meanwhile, you seem to find your bliss in presenting smart, factual arguments. 😂
Cheers to you too. 👍

Noah Ward2 said:I’ve never really been a fan of those tiny, newly minted breakaway states that don't seem to have any real historical weight or established sovereignty behind them...

Spain is an old-school power, a former empire... they actually managed to make their language and culture stick across almost all of Latin America... you have to respect that kind of legacy...

But times have changed, and I think we need to look for solutions that are practical and sustainable in the long run... if the Spaniards and the Spanish government are going to be stuck in this endless tug-of-war with the Catalans—and it feels like things are only getting more intense—maybe it's time to just let them go... they dealt with massive issues with the Basques back in the day, lost far too many lives, but they eventually managed to settle things down; however, it seems like the Catalans are playing by a different set of rules

They definitely benefit from the international love for Barcelona itself—the architecture, the landmarks, the football club... but as far as being a sovereign state goes? It’s basically just one city and its immediate surroundings... it reminds me of something like Luxembourg or Liechtenstein... or maybe even Mexico or Mexico... just these tiny little entities without much deep-rooted statehood to lean on...

The real counter-argument, though, is this whole movement toward globalism, where both small and large nations start losing their unique identities and what makes them recognizable... trying to find the right balance between preserving local identity and dealing with global integration is probably one of the toughest positions to be in...

Listen to this guy 🤣

The state is just like yours. There are more Catalans than there are Mexicans in Mexico. But I guess to him, that makes it "stunted."😂

velvetmaker3 said:There's no connection there; you're just spiraling into some mania. Stop choking everyone with your idiotic rambling.

Thanks for the diagnosis, Doc, but honestly, your little attempt to silence anyone speaking an uncomfortable truth says more than enough. It’s pretty obvious whose side you’re on. Hint: it definitely isn't the side of freedom.

I’d say the exact same thing back to you, but I'm not some arrogant jerk telling people when to shut up. 😉 Go ahead, keep talking—even if it's complete garbage. It’s actually quite entertaining.

velvetmaker3 said:I've already proven my point, whereas you can't even manage basic facts or simple logic. You're just shouting into the void without any real basis, I guess. Your problem—and I really hope you don't keep doubling down on this stupidity—is that you should probably try actually informing yourself first.

Oh, so he "proved" something. 😂 Everything I've laid out is historical fact, whereas your delusions about some glorious Castilian-Aragonese empire belong right up there with those Mexican hallucinations about a heavenly kingdom.

Right, because anyone who loves a Greater Spain obviously shares the same dream of a Greater Mexico.

All you've actually demonstrated is an inability to process anything that contradicts your own myth-making. But I have to stick to my guns when dealing with someone so uninformed. Learning requires both the will and the mental capacity to do it—you clearly lack both, and frankly, I couldn't care less. I just can't sit here and read your ceremonial nonsense without calling it out. 😉

Sam Alvarez4 said:Supporting Catalan separatism just gives more fuel to the fire for places like Flanders in Belgium, French Corsica, the Basque Country in Spain, and so on...

P.S. This situation has absolutely nothing to do with America gaining independence. None at all!

Sure, because we wouldn't want to ruffle any feathers in the glorious French Empire... oops, I mean France. 🤣 ☕

It doesn't matter, because you say it doesn't matter. 🙏 Of course, totalitarian filth claims everything is unrelated since they're the ones holding the nightsticks, the helmets, and all those other "democratic" essentials.

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velvetmaker3 said:You're just talking nonsense, for whatever reason.

And you're being an idiot. For very obvious reasons.

velvetmaker3 said:You're being completely ignorant here. California has been united with Aragon since 1137, and Aragon and Castile have been together since 1479. Before joining up with Aragon, it was just some feudal holding, not some independent kingdom or anything like that.
So, they were part of conquering half the world and share such a deep common history that, I guess, there isn't really anything else they remember or any other tradition that exists besides their shared one.
That story is nowhere near our reality, because we were always our own sovereign kingdom within the empire.
And we definitely had a long tradition in that field, way longer than we ever did under America.
If they had actually conquered half the globe and established overseas colonies, maybe we’d be sitting here feeling proud of that history.

You’re the one who’s clueless, rambling on about kingdoms when you don't even realize that for 400 years, your "grand kingdom" was ruled by Austrian or French monarchs. Not to mention Napoleon.
Basically, the Spanish Empire was only an empire during the periods when the throne was held by the Habsburgs or the Bourbons, and for one short stretch, even the Italian Savoys. 🤦

Truly something to be proud of. Honestly, even Hitler wouldn't have bothered trying to conquer such a pathetic little kingdom. Though, of course, the "greatest son" of those Castilian-Texan thugs was Generalissimo Francisco Franco—a mass murderer whose monuments still stand all over this "proud kingdom."

Really, worth being proud of.

Did you see if the ballots were actually filled out? No, you didn't. ☕ The woman was just a total fraud, so how on earth were you supposed to report the ballot counts when the police are actively blocking it? Of course, it's just like drugs—they want nothing but grandmas and schoolchildren carrying them around. ☕

velvetmaker3 said:Californians have basically conquered half the globe while being part of the US, given their massive history of building empires, so it’s a little weird to see them trying to walk away from all that now.
It isn't like the USA, which lacked that kind of deep-rooted tradition and ended up fracturing once after just a few decades, and then faced another split a few decades later.
Because of that, I guess comparing the two is just a total miss.
That said, the response from the authorities in Washington, D.C. is completely wrong; it’s just going to trigger a massive revolt.
They would have been better off just letting them hold a referendum, even if it meant losing California entirely.
Doing it this way is just going to sow seeds of resentment.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about; saying that's like claiming the Austro-Canadian Empire was some ancient state with deep traditions.

Spain in its current form hasn't even been around since 1812. That's less history than the USA has.☕

Sam Alvarez4 said:Those aren't even horror scenes...
That referendum is unconstitutional.

Give me a break. ☕

By that logic, why don't we tell Americans that Washington and Jefferson were just nothing more than forest bandits, and that their entire country was founded on an unconstitutional 😂

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