Posts by Jerry Gray5

wearyraven25 said:Hold on, you think I’m going to air out specific details or internal drama on a public forum? If you actually want an explanation, I can give it to you privately, but I’m not doing it here in the open.
I don't have any issues here, so tone it down if you want to have a civil conversation.

Was this one of those points you kept pushing, or are you just okay settling for the "we'll do it this way now, but change later" excuse?
How can you even participate in a group when you're fundamentally against how they're being funded? If you think money coming from club marketing is somehow "dirty," then what kind of logic are you using to justify using those exact same funds to pay for banners and choreographies?

wearyraven25 said:How on earth can you claim to know if I’ve stayed consistent or not?! Don't you worry about that.
And for that matter, am I even an ultra?

Don't get ahead of yourself with these claims. You've completely lost the thread of this debate, and frankly, I'm still waiting for actual answers to my specific questions.

Brandon Wilson14 said:Look, you’re totally missing the point here. 🤦🤦 You need to look at which other clubs in the neighborhood are currently struggling just to move gear around the stands, how those teams ended up, and what that looks like in practice—no matter how much people suck up to their recent seasons (quoting: "among the top 5 in Europe"). It's funny how they love to distance themselves from those exact same issues by acting like they're all about agents, mobsters, and armored cars... basically, do you really want us to follow that same script?
Let’s be clear: the willingness to help or donate isn't the issue. It's the execution. Look at how Sampdoria handled things at home—the flag drives, the online marketing for the campaign, and the way it was managed.
I don't see any reason why we can't just keep doing things that way; anyone capable can step up.
The only real bottleneck is if nobody steps up to run it. 🤷

wearyraven25 said:The state of marketing is exactly what you'd expect. We all know why—everyone just takes the path of least resistance. We’re all to blame here.

It’s what you call being caught between a rock and a hard place.
Consistency shows up right at the starting line—right now—especially when it comes to sticking to certain ideals.
If you blow them off now, how can you expect the people you need to lead to actually have your back down the road?
Let’s go with donation boxes, crowdfunding, or just pooling some cash from the group—that way we can say we did it with a clean conscience, right?
Then your word will actually carry some weight in the future.

Jeffrey Anderson said:Look, do you honestly think the people doing this are getting any personal kick out of it? That’s like saying a rocket earns a profit from the graphite it uses. It's just nonsense.

wearyraven25 said:The real question is who you’re trying to deceive, and why? At the end of the day, you're just lying to yourself.
If you can't stomach how a group is being funded, how can you justify being part of it? If you actually believe the money coming in through club marketing is somehow "dirty," then what kind of person are you, using those exact funds to pay for banners and choreographies?

wearyraven25 said:Maybe consider what kind of materials you’re actually working with and how this is even being funded before you start acting like you have all the answers.

Rommel made a good point—there isn't a more honest way to fund this right now. I mean, sure, we could set up donation buckets in the stands, but if that's our only source of income, we wouldn't even have enough to grab a beer at a local dive bar...
Don't push me on the rest of it.

Nicholas Parker6 said:🤦😵

Bradley Fisher18 said:when kids are typing ☕

Austin Chase2 said:What kind of nonsense are you talking? You'd be the first one crying on this forum if, say, the Kansas City Chiefs were playing Manchester City and there wasn't a massive choreographed show...

neonhawk15 said:How exactly do you think we’re supposed to fund the choreo, the banners, the flag materials, the buses, the flights, or the travel? Good intentions won't pay the bills. Everything has a price tag. If you don't think marketing and membership dues should be a core part of a supporter group's budget, then you clearly think we can just conjure all of that out of thin air. 🤷

John Brown30 said:🤣

In marketing terms, a product is actually considered a failure if you can only move a thousand units a day.☕

Kate Ward50 said:Get Ž on the phone to handle the flares!😉

John Brown30 said:Look, I'm the one struggling here, yet you guys are crying over some hats and shirts that apparently magically brainwash people the moment they put them on.🙄

My take? None of you have ever actually tried to create those "perfect products" you all obsess over. You love to talk trash about someone else's work, or if they actually make something and it doesn't hit the mark with the masses, suddenly it's just "people don't get it." You act like you're experts, but you can't even back up your claims.🤷

John Brown30 said:you guys are losing it🤣

In my view, Marketing exists solely to fund the club. We can push those extreme agendas ourselves—it’s not like we haven't bypassed official Marketing before to push content that wasn't meant for the general public. 🙂
If you actually have the will, anything is possible. The issue is that everyone here is stuck because your little pet projects don't have official backing. Just make something legit, and it’ll succeed if you believe in it. 😁

placidheron16 said:Honestly, every time we have a meeting, it just results in the same old group of hooligans popping up on the forums or in person. Let me tell you how this actually works. I’ve had enough. This younger generation leading the stands now—they don't want to push the kids forward. Kids are a blessing, but you have to know who is paying the bills. You have to be firm with them. From a young age, they need to learn what it means to live the supporter lifestyle, rather than just letting them drift or letting some other guy boss them around lately. Legend, looking at those photos of you, our young guys aren't looking at anyone the wrong way; if anything, we are hungry for friendship and unity among us. But how can that happen when the "legendary leader" pledges support in front of 100 people at the last meeting, promising to stand with us in the stands, only to show up to the game and mock us? He sits there making jokes along with his "loyal followers," claiming it's too hard for him to come to the stands because the emotions will overwhelm him. He acts like he's saying goodbye to a lifelong friend. We expected so much from him because he's considered a "cult figure." Once his people give their support, then everyone else will follow and we will finally become "US." We won't have this "us vs. them" mentality that keeps repeating. Once individual egos are minimized and the ego trips die down, then we can actually start over... but those are just two small details in this whole circus.

velvetskipper52 said:You aren't telling me anything I don't already know.