Dennis Evans6 said:Haha, his voice is a bit grating, I'll give you that, but I look past it because I’ve noticed our tastes are pretty much aligned. I checked out his top movies from last year, and he’s basically picking the same flicks as everyone else. Plus, there are a few things I probably would have skipped entirely if he hadn't reviewed them. For instance, I’m waiting for Birdman and Whiplash to drop—though, honestly, I’d probably end up watching Birdman even without his stamp of approval. Whatever.
What exactly is bothering me? Take this specific point he made: when they get that serum from the General, instead of Tom using it to actually kick some ass, he gets some weird vision and just resets the day. Meanwhile, we’re just wandering around the city aimlessly while everything falls apart. At that point, Tom loses his ability to reset because he gets a blood transfusion—which is equally nonsensical, but hey, that's just how movie logic works, I guess—and suddenly they have to head to Paris without being able to loop the day a thousand times to get it right. But that trip to Paris... that’s what really threw me off. It makes zero sense that these aliens could conquer all of Europe except for the UK and somehow not need any land defenses. Like, they're smart enough to know people will only invade through Normandy, right? Come on. Yet, they have these random, pathetic outposts buried near places like Helix or some abandoned houses? And once the Cruise spacecraft crashes in Paris, the aliens don't even attack; they just sit there waiting for Cruise to figure out his next move.
There’s plenty more where that came from, but I can't be bothered... unless you're dying to hear it?
urbanhawk17 said:To be honest, what really bugs me is that she didn't just finish him off and bring him back once she drove that thing into his leg. By playing it that way, they basically invited the exact disaster that actually happened—the risk of losing him for good before Omega was even taken out. I guess they just rolled the dice and lost.
He knew Omega was in Paris. He could have ended him right then and there, which would've let them head over there with the option to respawn. I guess he just didn't. Maybe.
I see Dennis Evans6 weighed in too. 🤣
Also, when they head over there, Cage (Cruise) tells J—was it J?—to leave Alfie alone. He argues that if their blood gets into them, they might be able to loop that day forever. I guess. Maybe. 😕 Since those five were up against the Omega core itself—and actually managed to pull off a win in the end—I guess it changes the math a bit. Maybe. 🙄 I guess they were just trying to find a way to hit the reset button on the day. Maybe. 🤷
That move might seem like a smart play if you’re looking at it through the eyes of someone who already knows how a desperate escape attempt ends. But then again, you have to consider that these characters are just trying to survive—to stay alive and sane for one more day. Suppose he had just pulled the bullet out of her leg right there in front of the General? He gets his vision, the wound is treated, and they both walk away unscathed. Why on earth would he commit suicide then, or why would she take him out? At that specific moment, such an outcome wouldn't make any sense, whether you're following the internal logic of their lives or the narrative rules of a Hollywood script.
Dennis Evans6 said:Haha, his voice is a bit grating, I'll give you that, but I look past it because I’ve noticed our tastes are pretty much aligned. I checked out his top movies from last year, and he’s basically picking the same flicks as everyone else. Plus, there are a few things I probably would have skipped entirely if he hadn't reviewed them. For instance, I’m waiting for Birdman and Whiplash to drop—though, honestly, I’d probably end up watching Birdman even without his stamp of approval. Whatever.
What exactly is bothering me? Take this specific point he made: when they get that serum from the General, instead of Tom using it to actually kick some ass, he gets some weird vision and just resets the day. Meanwhile, we’re just wandering around the city aimlessly while everything falls apart. At that point, Tom loses his ability to reset because he gets a blood transfusion—which is equally nonsensical, but hey, that's just how movie logic works, I guess—and suddenly they have to head to Paris without being able to loop the day a thousand times to get it right. But that trip to Paris... that’s what really threw me off. It makes zero sense that these aliens could conquer all of Europe except for the UK and somehow not need any land defenses. Like, they're smart enough to know people will only invade through Normandy, right? Come on. Yet, they have these random, pathetic outposts buried near places like Helix or some abandoned houses? And once the Cruise spacecraft crashes in Paris, the aliens don't even attack; they just sit there waiting for Cruise to figure out his next move.
There’s plenty more where that came from, but I can't be bothered... unless you're dying to hear it?
I honestly don't see how you can say that lacks logic. If you look at that first attempt, it actually captures the entire internal logic of the film. The aliens didn't just swoop in and conquer three-quarters of the world in one single, decisive strike; instead, they operated through a process of trial and error. Every time an Alpha falls, it serves as a clear indicator that their current strategy was flawed or headed down the wrong path, prompting them to reset from a secure position and try again, this time armed with the knowledge needed to correct those specific mistakes.
One can't deny that an adversary equipped with such heavy weaponry would undoubtedly inflict significant damage, yet every single one of those attempts could be neutralized following a system reset. This is precisely why Omega remains buried deep within the earth, shielded by the presence of Alpha above it; if someone were to attempt an aerial strike—even with a nuclear payload—they would have to annihilate Alpha before they ever reached Omega, triggering an immediate reset. And wouldn't we then be operating with the distinct advantage of knowing exactly where that strike is coming from, allowing us to intercept it at the very first moment?
The internal logic of the film dictates that Omega needs to take out Alpha immediately, without waiting for Alpha to strike first, and ideally on that very first attempt. After all, how can Omega possibly anticipate what hasn't happened yet, especially when nothing has truly occurred in any previous loop?
Dennis Evans6 said:Haha, his voice is a bit grating, I'll give you that, but I look past it because I’ve noticed our tastes are pretty much aligned. I checked out his top movies from last year, and he’s basically picking the same flicks as everyone else. Plus, there are a few things I probably would have skipped entirely if he hadn't reviewed them. For instance, I’m waiting for Birdman and Whiplash to drop—though, honestly, I’d probably end up watching Birdman even without his stamp of approval. Whatever.
What exactly is bothering me? Take this specific point he made: when they get that serum from the General, instead of Tom using it to actually kick some ass, he gets some weird vision and just resets the day. Meanwhile, we’re just wandering around the city aimlessly while everything falls apart. At that point, Tom loses his ability to reset because he gets a blood transfusion—which is equally nonsensical, but hey, that's just how movie logic works, I guess—and suddenly they have to head to Paris without being able to loop the day a thousand times to get it right. But that trip to Paris... that’s what really threw me off. It makes zero sense that these aliens could conquer all of Europe except for the UK and somehow not need any land defenses. Like, they're smart enough to know people will only invade through Normandy, right? Come on. Yet, they have these random, pathetic outposts buried near places like Helix or some abandoned houses? And once the Cruise spacecraft crashes in Paris, the aliens don't even attack; they just sit there waiting for Cruise to figure out his next move.
There’s plenty more where that came from, but I can't be bothered... unless you're dying to hear it?
The Mimics are buried near the house because those two have been to that location a hundred times already, and Omega knows exactly how to intercept them there. But they also have Mimics buried in New York, quite a few of them actually. And if you recall when the lead and the woman were in that house, they were right near the Mimics and weren't attacked immediately, so the situation in New York doesn't actually deviate from the rules established in the film.
I’ll say it again: as Morgan Martinez5 pointed out, the strength of the aliens doesn't lie in their sheer numbers or some specific combat prowess—we see that even relatively untrained people can kill them—but rather in the blessing of being able to always restart from a saved point.
Dennis Evans6 said:Haha, his voice is a bit grating, I'll give you that, but I look past it because I’ve noticed our tastes are pretty much aligned. I checked out his top movies from last year, and he’s basically picking the same flicks as everyone else. Plus, there are a few things I probably would have skipped entirely if he hadn't reviewed them. For instance, I’m waiting for Birdman and Whiplash to drop—though, honestly, I’d probably end up watching Birdman even without his stamp of approval. Whatever.
What exactly is bothering me? Take this specific point he made: when they get that serum from the General, instead of Tom using it to actually kick some ass, he gets some weird vision and just resets the day. Meanwhile, we’re just wandering around the city aimlessly while everything falls apart. At that point, Tom loses his ability to reset because he gets a blood transfusion—which is equally nonsensical, but hey, that's just how movie logic works, I guess—and suddenly they have to head to Paris without being able to loop the day a thousand times to get it right. But that trip to Paris... that’s what really threw me off. It makes zero sense that these aliens could conquer all of Europe except for the UK and somehow not need any land defenses. Like, they're smart enough to know people will only invade through Normandy, right? Come on. Yet, they have these random, pathetic outposts buried near places like Helix or some abandoned houses? And once the Cruise spacecraft crashes in Paris, the aliens don't even attack; they just sit there waiting for Cruise to figure out his next move.
There’s plenty more where that came from, but I can't be bothered... unless you're dying to hear it?
Well, please do share if you have anything else, because you've given us very little ☕
urbanhawk17 said:To be honest, what really bugs me is that she didn't just finish him off and bring him back once she drove that thing into his leg. By playing it that way, they basically invited the exact disaster that actually happened—the risk of losing him for good before Omega was even taken out. I guess they just rolled the dice and lost.
He knew Omega was in Paris. He could have ended him right then and there, which would've let them head over there with the option to respawn. I guess he just didn't. Maybe.
I see Dennis Evans6 weighed in too. 🤣
Also, when they head over there, Cage (Cruise) tells J—was it J?—to leave Alfie alone. He argues that if their blood gets into them, they might be able to loop that day forever. I guess. Maybe. 😕 Since those five were up against the Omega core itself—and actually managed to pull off a win in the end—I guess it changes the math a bit. Maybe. 🙄 I guess they were just trying to find a way to hit the reset button on the day. Maybe. 🤷
That isn't accurate; he doesn't tell them not to kill the Alpha because of blood contamination, but precisely because doing so would allow Omega to reset the day, effectively letting it know they are coming.
Evidence:
''So, this Omega controls time?''
''Let's just smash him and send him back to wherever he came from. Then we go home.''
''Maybe the "Alpha" protects him.''
''Just kill him. Got it?''
''No! You heard what Cage said: Don't kill the Alpha.''
''If we kill the Alpha, Omega will reset this entire day. We won't even remember having this conversation. He'll know we're coming.''
''What if one of those "Alphas" tries to kill me?''
''Sacrifice yourself then.''
The film possesses a completely rounded and consistent internal logic. I don't agree with the idea that you need to turn your brain off for this movie; in fact, you really have to engage it so you can shift from our linear perception of time into the film's logic, observing both the action and the characters' choices through that lens.