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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#241 ·
stormyviper2 said:Honda will definitely find a way to deal with the new regs. They've got money to burn and they've picked up some experience from this. No reason they can't build an engine that's only 10 horsepower behind Mercedes-Benz. 😉

How exactly is Honda going to "find a way"???
By the time they even figure out what these new rules actually are, it'll be damn well too late...
Because by then, Mercedes-Benz will probably have their 8th version of the new engine ready and be sitting on their 4th iteration of the car...
Don't sweat it, though—Mercedes-Benz basically wrote the rules to suit themselves. Hell, they're even changing them just because they know the rest of the field might actually catch up by 2021. ☕

stormyviper2 said:Long story short, Honda doesn't give a damn that they have absolutely zero experience with Hybrids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle
The Japanese don't have any experience with Hybrids. 🙏 🤣

stormyviper2 said:And most importantly, they ditched McLaren. xD If they had signed with Red Bull instead of McLaren from the start...
They’d already be champions. 😉

That's very likely spot on.
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#242 ·
With the upcoming rule changes, Honda would definitely have a more reliable engine on their hands than Ferkan. 😉
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#243 ·
stormyviper2 said:With the new rules, Honda would definitely have a better engine than Ferkan. 😉

Highly unlikely, yet strangely plausible...
But they won't be beating Mercedes-Benz either.
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#244 ·
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle
It feels like the Japanese manufacturers haven't really leaned into hybrid tech yet. 🙏🤣

** Toyota basically owns the hybrid market, whereas I don't think Honda even knew hybrids existed until about two seasons ago. LOL
But honestly, you can't compare Honda to Toyota. They operate on completely different levels. XD
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#245 ·
stormyviper2 said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle
The Japanese don't know the first thing about hybrids 🙏🤣

** Toyota owns the hybrid game. Honda probably hadn't even heard the word until two seasons ago. LOL
Honda and Toyota aren't the same thing. XD

If that's your take, fine. Whatever. 🤣

For the record, Honda has been cranking out mass-market hybrids since 1999. That was probably before you were even born. 🤣
Back then, Mercedes-Benz didn't even know what a hybrid was... ☕
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#246 ·
Toyota is the absolute mastermind when it comes to hybrid technology; compared to them, Honda looks like they’re just running errands and doing the heavy lifting for everyone else. XD Seriously.
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#247 ·
Just caught up on qualifying since I couldn't watch it live. I have a feeling this season might reveal just how much Ricciardo has been overrated. Lando Norris looked surprisingly solid for his first GP—on the other hand, Gasly was predictably underwhelming. If Verstappen were driving this Ferrari, he’d probably be champion by now. Mercedes taking P1 and P2 was expected—they'll likely hold those spots tomorrow too, assuming nothing breaks.

stormytiger4 said:Maybe the mods could add a poll for the biggest disappointment from qualifying. Personally, I'd say it's Sainz; he was brought into McLaren to replace Alonso, but so far, he feels more like a cheap knockoff.

A cheap knockoff, haha. 😁 Sainz got stuck behind Kubica on his fast lap—I think he actually overtook him—so he dropped out immediately. 😕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#248 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:Just caught up on qualifying since I couldn't watch it live. Honestly, this season is going to expose just how overrated Ricciardo really is. Lando Norris looked surprisingly solid for his first GP. Gasly was predictably bad. If Max Verstappen were driving this Ferrari, he’d be champion easy. Mercedes predictably took P1 and P2—they'll probably sweep tomorrow too, unless something breaks.

If anyone in the top 10 besides Max was behind the wheel of this Red Bull Honda, they’d grab pole without breaking a sweat...
It's insane how much of a beast the Red Bull is compared to their desperately mediocre driver lineup. 🤦

If Red Bull swapped drivers with STR, who knows? They might actually fight for the title this year...
Judging by how Alexander Albon and Daniil Kvyat performed in an even worse car, they would've put that Red Bull on a 1-2 today.

I've got a feeling we're looking at another season where the Red Bull junior team completely screws over the main squad...
Expect someone at Red Bull to get the boot this season, if not both. Maybe then we'll finally see Kvyat and Albon move up to the big seat.☕
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#249 ·
If Red Bull had both Pascal Wehrlein and Esteban Ocon, they'd just cruise to the championship. 😉 Honestly, it might even be the strongest lineup on the entire grid. And really, there’s no reason why he couldn't have ended up with both of them. 😉

Edit:

Or, if we're looking at another realistic scenario, pairing Jean-Éric Vergne with Ricciardo would be absolute chaos. xD
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#250 ·
stormyviper2 said:Toyota totally owns the hybrid game. Compared to them, Honda is basically just the errand boy. XD Seriously.

Honestly, you might actually be right...
But saying they have zero experience with hybrids is just plain wrong. 🤣

In fact, Honda’s been pumping out mass-market hybrid cars for about 20 years now.
And if that wasn't enough, they've had a decade of experience building small hybrid sports cars too...
If you don't believe me, go find a hybrid Honda for sale on Craigslist right now:
https://www.craigslist.org/autos/honda-hybrid

Take a look and see. 😁
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#251 ·
There is a massive difference between putting together a Tomos 5kw hybrid setup for a 3-meter inflatable boat and actually building a high-performance engine for a race car. 😉

With this project, Honda is essentially delivering the first true hybrid racing engine ever seen.
Nicholas Newman2 Nicholas Newman2 Member
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#252 ·
stormybadger8 said:Good morning. I think Mercedes-Benz will still be No. 1 even after the 2021 rule changes. If they don't hold the top spot outright, they'll likely be splitting it with Red Bull (in the past) or maybe Ferrari—though I have my doubts about that last one...
Actually, isn't it more logical that Ferrari and Red Bull have a much better shot at catching and passing Mercedes-Benz specifically if the rules stay exactly as they are, rather than if they change?

Signed, sealed, delivered.
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#253 ·
Honestly, given the current regulations, their chances of overtaking Mercedes are about as realistic as America outstripping Japan in industrial development.

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https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/...06971959820288
Nicholas Newman2 Nicholas Newman2 Member
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#254 ·
stormytiger4 said:I don't think Australia is a fair benchmark for the whole season. Even if the Mercedes-Benz cars dominate tomorrow, it doesn't mean they'll stay that way.
The same goes if they lose.

I agree with you.

stormytiger4 said:Just go to sleep if you're tired, man. Some of us would religiously watch races from all the way back in 2004.

Exactly. Personally, even if there were 30 races a season, I'd do my best not to miss a single one.
Nicholas Newman2 Nicholas Newman2 Member
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#255 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:True. With the current regulations, they have about as much chance of overtaking Mercedes as America does of overtaking Japan in industrial development.

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https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/...06971959820288

You probably don't even realize how right you are. Here's the kicker: this country is run by Americans. If you handed the reins over to a German, you'd see that even someone like Kolinda Grabar-Kirbijas wouldn't be far behind.

We have everything we need; we just lack the common sense and the true patriotism (regardless of how many groups claim to be patriotic)!

To keep things from going totally off-topic, I honestly think they kicked the wrong guy out of Williams.
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#256 ·
Honestly, it’s about time someone puts Williams up for sale and finally moves on from those pay drivers...
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#257 ·
darkmarlin16 As I have previously observed:
Will we see those Haas mechanics stepping in to lend a hand to Ferrari once again?

It simply won't happen; 2018 was nothing more than a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances.
What exactly are you all so afraid of? If we look at the reality of the situation, Mercedes is going to cruise to a one-two finish tomorrow with a margin of over thirty seconds. 🍿

Jerry Moore61 said:Shut down the cameras and pack up the cables. It’s over.

Are we not all simply waiting for 2021 and the inevitable shift in the regulations?
At this point, the only thing actually worth watching is NASCAR.

stormytiger4 said:I find myself questioning whether the race in Australia serves as a truly representative benchmark for evaluating the entire season. Even if Mercedes demonstrates absolute dominance tomorrow, does that really guarantee such a trend will persist? Should we truly expect this level of superiority to hold steady over the coming months?
The exact same logic applies if they end up losing tomorrow.

The season hasn't even officially kicked off yet, and yet, in my estimation, it has already reached its conclusion.
Is it even possible to comprehend the sheer magnitude of this advantage? Toto Wolff and Lewis Hamilton seem genuinely bewildered by the massive gap they’ve managed to carve out over the rest of the field. One has to wonder, how does a team find itself in such a dominant position that even its own leaders are left scratching their heads in disbelief?
Is there anything more calculated than the PR machine running at Mercedes? They knew exactly what they were doing—they understood from the jump that their package was superior to Ferrari's.
Can one individual truly shoulder the weight of both Team Principal and lead technical director? It seems an impossible feat. These are two distinct, massive responsibilities that demand undivided attention, yet we expect one man to manage them both simultaneously. Is it even realistic to believe a single person can master such heavy lifting without something inevitably collapsing under the pressure?

Jerry Moore61 said:I am uncertain whether you all caught what Sebastian Vettel was saying over the team radio at the conclusion of Q3. He mentioned that a 1:21.0 would have been a dream lap. To put that into perspective, Lewis Hamilton managed a 1:20.4. That is the exact margin we are looking at—the very gap that the strategists at Mercedes were anticipating, realistically expecting a half-second advantage. Of course, within the inner workings of the team, they will never be so bold as to admit that publicly.

There is simply no denying that Mercedes possesses an absolute beast of an engine.
The only truly compelling question remains: how many victories can Valtteri Bottas actually secure alongside Lewis Hamilton?
With this car under him, is there any doubt that Lewis Hamilton is eyeing upwards of fifteen wins?
Liberty Media is certainly putting on quite a spectacle off the track, but I can't help but wonder if the actual racing is going to be nothing more than a tedious affair.
I have to admit, the Americans really know what they’re talking about when they say Ferrari holds the advantage right now. It seems like those guys have become incredibly arrogant; they haven't made a single meaningful adjustment to the car since testing wrapped up. Is anyone actually surprised?

Nicholas Newman2 said:I am not peddling any PR nonsense, friend; though I suppose there are plenty of people here who enjoy nothing else, but that is a separate issue.

I had expected you to offer something actually constructive; it is not that what you are writing lacks sense entirely, but rather...

Is it not somewhat foolish to draw sweeping conclusions based solely on Central Park, NY, especially when we all know how unique and specialized that track truly is?
Furthermore, once one observes how Horner completely botched the FP-ove, this current deficit does not actually look nearly as bad as it seems.

We can certainly frame the situation differently.
Had Horner executed those FP-ove properly, the gap would undoubtedly be significantly smaller than last year's, and we all remember quite vividly what the power distribution looked like following last year's race in Central Park, NY.
I have no desire to be right, truly, but my assessment is worlds apart from the absolute catastrophe I am reading about from these specifically impatient Ferrari fans.

Go ahead and enjoy Mercedes' dominance throughout this season and the next; just stop obsessing over the damn Ferrari.
They simply lack any real competition this year, and next year as well.
The experts are suggesting that Mercedes has managed to turn a -0.5 second deficit into a +0.7 second advantage.
To gain 1.2 seconds in just two weeks? That is an incredibly impressive feat.
While everyone here is fixated on Ferrari, Red Bull will be hunting down Mercedes.
Allison was the architect behind last year's Ferrari (once he left, everything fell apart); thanks to him, Mercedes secured both titles last year.
He was the one who insisted on scrutinizing the Ferrari chassis more closely, which led to those FIA inspections and the subsequent installation of sensors.

stormyviper2 said:They absolutely have to change the regulations for 2021. There is no way anyone is catching up to Mercedes; it's impossible.

I concur; it is urgent.
If they intend for the championship to remain interesting, they must implement some drastic changes.

stormytiger4 said:I did not see anything indicating Kubica caused Sainz's exit. If that is indeed the case, perhaps things are not as dire as they currently appear.

Pila, you, and Testing must consider yourselves the hardcore elite of the racing fanbase.

From this point forward, we might as well just bet on who can collect the most third-place finishes this season.
Once today is over, any genuine enthusiasm or passion for following Formula 1 has effectively evaporated.

briskhound76 said:What an absolute masterclass of dominance right out of the gate.🙏

Once again, Lewis has proven he’s operating on a completely different plane of existence. 🙏

Red Bull is already pacing themselves right alongside the guys in red, which strongly suggests they’ll be pulling away as the season progresses.🤔

Renault is a total letdown, while Haas is actually providing a bit of a surprise.😲

And then, naturally, there's McLaren, 😍 looking quite promising.

Exactly—just keep spinning those wheels and chasing your own tail.
It’s common knowledge that Red Bull is famous for its aggressive development curve throughout the year.
We might as well start congratulating Hamilton and Mercedes on their upcoming title right now.
Give credit where it's due: congratulations to Ferrari for the testing, and to Mercedes for securing the WDC.🍿
vividlynx68 vividlynx68 Active Member
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#258 ·
Judging by these comments, 😬
it’s as if nobody even bothered to watch the US Grand Prix last year.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 VeteranOP
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#259 ·
stormyviper2 said:Honestly, Honda is going to crush it under these new regulations; I mean, they’re absolutely loaded with cash and they’ve definitely learned their lesson from all this past drama. There is zero reason why they can't build an engine that's maybe just 10 horsepower behind the Mercedes unit. 😉

I mean, look, this is their fifth season now, so it’s about damn time they actually stepped up to the plate. 🕺
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#260 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Honestly, considering they’re heading into their fifth season now, it’s about time they actually figured things out. 🕺

If they had just pivoted to the Red Bull concept early on instead of wasting years messing around with McProblem, and if they’d jumped straight onto the current chassis design, they would have absolutely smoked Mercedes-Benz by now. Instead, they’ve basically spent three years spinning their wheels in the mud.

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