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Australia vs. USA - March 25, 2018

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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#61 ·
Anthony Baker84 said:I wasn't talking about track position, I meant the time gap. If Kimi is lagging by this much and Vettel was at that level, then the issue clearly lies with Vettel, not necessarily Ferrari. Kimi actually drove quite a bit better than last year when you look at the gap to Hamilton. So, this difference is really just regarding Vettel. Based on the gaps, Ferrari improved against Mercedes with Kimi behind the wheel, but regressed with Vettel. Makes me wonder where the real problem is.

The fact is, Kimi was uncharacteristically bad last year, trailing Vettel by nearly 0.6 seconds... which is massive. 😉
Besides that, look at the Vettel vs. Kimi gaps before last season 😉
say, back in 2015, he was only 0.03 seconds behind...

One big thing to point out is that Vettel was 0.268 behind Hamilton last year, so the gap has definitely widened significantly compared to last season...
Even if Vettel's setup was off, or he just had a bad day, or some kid messed up—the gap is still huge...
I’d say Kimi finally put together some solid qualifying laps like he can, while Vettel somehow made some massive mistake and ended up being totally subpar...

Because honestly, I didn't see Vettel (or Kimi) make any glaring error in qualifying. Maybe a few tiny ones, sure, but nothing big enough to lose half a second. 😳
It’s the exact same story with Ricciardo and Max being right there too. It's obvious it was just a great day where Mercedes turned their power unit up to the absolute max—maybe the first time they've truly maxed it out since this hybrid era started...

Anthony Baker84 said:If you apply Kimi's improvement from 2017 to Vettel's qualifying result, Vettel should have been about 0.2 seconds behind Hamilton.

Given Kimi's improvement over last year, Vettel should have been on pole...
Luckily for him, the brave Lujo is good enough to pull off a dominant Ferrari, and RB did too. 🤣
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#62 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:It was such a thrill watching Fernando Alonso with a decent PU hunt down an incredible 11th place!
And he did it while brushing past his teammate, that alien Stoffel, by a massive one and a half seconds.
What a masterclass. What a driver!

A true Alonso fan would probably argue he had engine trouble and was actually running at a disadvantage. They'd say he didn't just make up that two-second gap to Stoffel, but that he was actually faster overall.
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#63 ·
stormybadger8 said:Regarding the point that Kimi was uncharacteristically slow last year and trailed Sebastian Vettel by just under 0.6 seconds... which is quite a massive gap 😉
Furthermore, one should look at the gaps between Vettel versus Kimi prior to last season 😉
say, in 2015 he was trailing by a mere 0.03 sec...

An important thing to emphasize is that Vettel trailed Lewis Hamilton by 0.268 last year, so the margin is certainly much wider than it was previously...
Because even if the setup wasn't right for Sebastian, or he had an off day, or some kid made a mistake, the difference remains enormous...
I would say rather that Kimi finally delivered the strong qualifying sessions he is capable of, whereas Sebastian made some sort of error and was simply poor...

Since I didn't really see Sebastian (or Kimi) commit any massive blunder during qualifying; perhaps a few minor ones, but nothing significant enough to lose half a second 😳
It is the exact same story with Ricciardo and Max, who were also close behind. It is obvious that this was simply a case of Mercedes running their engine at maximum capacity—perhaps for the first time at true maximum since this hybrid era began...

Given Kimi's improvement compared to last year, Vettel should have been on pole...
It is lucky that the brave Lujo is skilled enough to have secured a dominant Ferrari and RB as well 🤣

Oh, please. Whatever happened to those supposedly superior Mercedes engines? Like the ones in Force India and Williams?

Today, Sebastian lost three tenths on a fast lap due to his own mistake, so what exactly is the controversy here?
silverviper44 silverviper44 Active Member
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#64 ·
McProblem should be in the top 5 as expected.

Trailing behind. 😁 😁
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#65 ·
And what’s going to happen when even the Red Bull Racing cars start outsmarting him? 🍿
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#66 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:A die-hard Alonso fan will probably claim he was struggling with his engine or just running at a disadvantage. They'll argue he didn't just claw back those two seconds on Stoffel, but that he was actually faster.

Alonso made a mistake on his flying lap that cost him a massive amount of time. If you were watching the live timing, his pace before the error was quite interesting; he would have been comfortably in the top 10. Every driver makes mistakes, including Alonso. That’s just how it is.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#67 ·
mellowtiger83 said:Tibi, I’m worried we’re not seeing eye to eye here! Sure, the Mercedes-Benz is the best car out there during qualifying right now, but it isn't beating everyone by six tenths. If you ask me, we're looking at a slim margin of maybe two or three tenths at most.

Do you even get what I'm saying? It’s simple: Hamilton put down a flawless lap while his competition—looking at you, Vettel—wasn't even close. That's exactly where that six-tenths gap comes from.

Hamilton just pulled a move like that today where he absolutely shredded the field—kind of like how Ayrton Senna used to pull massive gaps back in Monaco, you know?

Sebastian Vettel is absolutely capable of putting together a perfect lap. He just didn't do it today. He made some massive mistakes during his flying lap, and that's all there is to it.

Look, you can give Hamilton those three tenths today without blaming some "magic mode." He just drove a flawless lap. Seriously, what part of that don't you get?

Look, Alonso pulled basically the same stunt as Sebastian Vettel, so now he’s stuck out of the top 10. It sucks, but whatever—on to the next one.

No matter how much math you throw at it...
It’s pretty damn likely that Hamilton put down a killer lap while Vettel just didn't quite find his rhythm.

Look, it doesn't change the fact that The Bear is still faster than anyone else by 0.3 to 0.6 seconds in qualifying. No matter how you slice it, that's a massive advantage.
Look, a 0.3-second gap is such a massive advantage that you could basically mess up your entire qualifying run and still walk away with pole.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#68 ·
mellowtiger83 said:Give me a break. Where are all those "top-tier" Mercedes engines hiding? You know, the ones powering Force India and Williams?

So Vettel messed up and lost three tenths on his fast lap today. What’s the big deal?

Somewhere in the backwoods of the FIA's legal department, they're scrambling. After getting hammered over the Williams and Force India situation, they're trying every trick in the book to force manufacturers to hand over identical engines and modes to all their customers. 🙂🙂🙂

The Bear clearly still has a qualifying mode—maybe even better than last year's. The only difference is they aren't willing to share a single scrap of it with their customers anymore, just to avoid some massive headache if anyone actually figures out how their tech works...
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#69 ·
mellowtiger83 said:I fear there might be a fundamental misunderstanding between us here. While it’s true that the Mercedes-Benz is arguably the superior car during qualifying sessions right now, I don't believe the gap is nearly as massive as some suggest. Is it really a dominant margin? In my estimation, we aren't looking at a massive chasm, but rather a slim advantage of perhaps two to three tenths of a second.

Do you even comprehend the situation here? It is an undeniable fact that Hamilton delivered a flawless lap, whereas his main rival, Sebastian Vettel, was anything but perfect. That alone accounts for the entire six-tenths of a second gap between them.

Wasn't Hamilton simply pulling ahead today in the exact same way Ayrton Senna used to carve out that massive gap in Monaco? You have to wonder, don't you?

Sebastian Vettel is more than capable of delivering a flawless lap, but today he simply failed to execute. He committed several critical errors during his flying lap, and that was quite frankly the end of it.

So, let’s be clear: those three tenths belong to Hamilton. It isn't some sort of "magic mode" or mystical phenomenon; he simply delivered a flawless lap. I fail to understand which specific part of that reality you are struggling to comprehend?

It’s quite evident that Fernando Alonso fell victim to the exact same miscalculation that Sebastian Vettel did; consequently, he finds himself relegated to the bottom half of the top ten. It is a frustrating turn of events, certainly, but what can one truly do? We simply have to move forward.

What absolute nonsense is Mario Wolf pulling now? 🤦
If Lewis Hamilton weren't driving that absolute rocket of a car—which, let’s be honest, is leagues ahead of what they had last season—you wouldn't be sitting there losing your mind and shaking in your boots every time that Black Catholic driver hits the qualifying laps.
He hits the button, and just like that—pole position.

Here is what Daniel Ricciardo had to say about it;

I certainly didn't anticipate such a massive gap. While I fully expected to see some kind of discrepancy between the second and third rounds, I was anticipating something in the neighborhood of two tenths at most. To end up facing a six-tenth deficit is nothing short of catastrophic. It is clearly a scenario that suits them perfectly—and they will undoubtedly relish this advantage—but for everyone else in the field, it is something to be absolutely loathed. One can only hope they haven't implemented some sort of similar mode for the race itself, because if they have, the situation becomes truly terrifying.

Is there anyone truly surprised that Daniel Ricciardo is looking to shake things up? It seems the man is once again eyeing the horizon, wondering if he can find a seat that actually challenges his rivals. When you look at the current landscape of Formula 1, one has to wonder: does he really have the momentum to leapfrog the established heavyweights, or is he simply chasing shadows? He’s essentially staring down the barrel of some massive names. If he wants to make a real dent in the standings, he isn't just competing against mid-fielders; he’s looking at the likes of Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen. Can he actually bridge that gap? It’s a massive question. We’ve seen him show flashes of brilliance, but in a sport where technical precision often trumps raw grit, can he find a car—perhaps even a seat at Red Bull Racing or a revitalized McLaren—that allows his talent to actually shine through the noise? And let's not forget the sheer difficulty of the task. To move up, he doesn't just need a fast car; he needs to outmaneuver drivers like Sebastian Vettel or contend with the relentless pace of the Mercedes-Benz machinery. Is it realistic to expect him to dismantle the dominance of the top tier, or is he better off finding stability elsewhere? One has to ask whether he is seeking a championship-caliber ride or merely a way to stay relevant in an increasingly crowded cockpit. It remains to be seen if his ambition will lead him to a podium or back to the frustration of the midfield.

Another season approaches, and one can already see the pattern emerging: from the very first race, we are looking at a period where Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton will hold a stranglehold on the field. When you compare what lies ahead to last year, it becomes painfully obvious that this upcoming season won't just be a competition; it will be a display of absolute, brutal dominance by Mercedes. Is anyone truly expecting anything else?

It is patently obvious that the FIA mafia is working overtime to ensure the competition remains unable to catch up to Mercedes. Ever since last season, and specifically following the Italian Grand Prix, they have dealt a massive blow to Ferrari by forcing them to strictly adhere to the regulation limiting fuel consumption to 0.9 liters per 100 kilometers. Is it any wonder why the gap persists when the regulators seem hell-bent on handicapping anyone who dares to challenge the status quo?
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#70 ·
Here we go again with this expert, whose whole mantra during most of last year's races was just "I hope Hamilton crashes."

So, genius, after all that whining about how Mercedes cheats by burning oil, the FIA's inspection actually found that it's Ferrari who's cheating, using a special oil tank designed exclusively for extra combustion.
Illegal oil burning—Ferrari has been caught red-handed.

Well, Einstein, with Mercedes looking even stronger and Red Bull closing in on Ferrari, you're going to have even more to moan about this season.
It's people like you that make me so eager for the season to start.
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#71 ·
I can't help but wonder—where on earth was this brilliant Lewis Hamilton hiding all those years before Mercedes-Benz started their absolute takeover during Q3? ☕

Just a casual second left on that final lap 🤣

It honestly reminds me of those Hollywood movies where everything hinges on the protagonist pulling it off at the very last possible moment.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#72 ·
northerncobra31 said:Sebastian Vettel always has to play the idiot during press conferences, and honestly, I can see he’s back at it again after qualifying.

If you ask me, he's the only one getting a laugh out of all that nonsense.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#73 ·
jadeseal7 said:It reminds me of those movies where everything comes down to the very last second for the protagonist.

Brandon Evans5 Brandon Evans5 Member
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#74 ·
Everyone kept saying Mercedes would be untouchable until those massive rule changes hit in 2021, but now, seeing how Lewis just absolutely shreds the competition by a single lap, it feels surreal.
It’s really just that perfect storm where you have an incredible car paired with one of the absolute best drivers this sport has ever seen. Sure, they might close the gap a bit during the actual race, but the real question is whether the drivers over at Scuderia and Red Bull Racing can actually stay focused enough to even pose a threat to Hamilton.
At the end of the day, it’s Red Bull Racing and Ferrari who have something to prove, not Mercedes. I can only imagine the absolute chaos and sleepless nights happening inside those other garages right before the lights go out.
neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#75 ·


😁

It's a shame Max made that little mistake—he would've been right up there in P1. But whatever, no big deal... tomorrow he’ll absolutely smoke both Ferraris and then go after Hamilton. Can't wait🙂
neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#76 ·
mellowtiger83 said:I'm really happy for McLaren—they look incredibly fast right now and I hope they keep this momentum going.

P11 and P12😉
neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#77 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:It was such a blast watching Fernando Alonso with a solid PU snatching up 11th place like a pro!
And he did it while leaving his teammate—that absolute alien Stoffel—in the dust by a massive one and a half seconds.
Pure class... what a driver!

😂
neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#78 ·
silverviper44 said:McProblem—expectedly in the top 5.

Behind them... 😁 😁

Still better than the TR Honda setup, though.😉
neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#79 ·
northerncobra31 said:Sebastian Vettel always has to play the fool during press conferences—looks like he did it again after qualifying.

I didn't catch what he actually did?
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#80 ·
Sebastian Vettel is honestly the worst possible person to mess with in all of Formula 1.
Even this time, when Hamilton asked where he found that extra pace, he did it with that signature smirk and a teasing tone. I don't get why he plays the provocateur when he's clearly not that type of guy.

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