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hiddenridge99 said:And after this post, there’s nothing left to say.

Just a textbook example of your average "anti-Mamić" troll.

He was just loving life because those idiots lost, while Mamić’s little puppet club grabbed the win. It's the same group of losers who claim to be fighting against the officiating, Mamić’s cronies, and the corrupt USSF.

Basically, he’s just part of the same crew—people swimming in the exact same gutter as him.

The kicker is, he actually sided with the notorious criminal he supposedly hates. The same crook who allegedly bled half a billion dollars out of Real Madrid. The same guy who nearly gutted the very fan base the OP belongs to. He’s the mastermind behind the plan to loot Real Madrid and snatch the club away from its actual members, handing it straight over to himself and his circle of shady buddies like some local corrupt politicians.

But hey, those idiots were shouting "city slicker cowards" at us, and that really, *really* got under my skin.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

What a pathetic joke.

It wasn't being called a coward that got to me, it was that pure hatred I see coming off the fans on the bus ride down to Wrigley Field—that always gets me fired up.😁

That goal Vide scored against Ludogorec didn't even cheer me up; back then, I still actually believed a bad result could force Mamić out. Now, I guess it’s pretty obvious to everyone that no result is ever going to get him kicked out of this club.

hiddenridge99 has '86 in his username, yet he’s out here claiming he'd rather root for Juventus
So go ahead and cheer for them then, kid—no need to come over here whining and acting all high and mighty about it

boldeagle20 said:Have you guys actually decided which group you're inviting to the derby at Yankee Stadium next? Since those certain Scandinavians turned you down—and given that their subgroup consists mostly of people from the Midwest and the South—it seems you need to compensate.
Still, having only three groups is insufficient.🤣 🤣

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Once those guys finally clinch a championship, the rigged officiating and the shady politics will just vanish, and we'll actually have a fair league.
I honestly can't stand the national federation or the big shots running things, nor the people blindly cheering them on. But hey, reality down south is a different story—of course I’m stoked to see them lose! It still blows my mind how much of an inferiority complex those folks and their neighbors have developed lately. It’s become such an easy target for everyone to bash online. Just a bunch of keyboard warriors, really.

holloworca10 said:Don't get mad at me, you East Coast snobs, but seeing all that hatred coming from the fans on the bus ride to the Rose Bowl always gets me fired up. 😁

Even when Sight scored against Ludogorets, I wasn't exactly jumping for joy. Back then, I actually thought a bad result might finally force Mamić out. Now? Well, I guess it's pretty obvious to everyone that no scoreline is ever going to kick him out of the club.

Exactly!

briskfalcon67 said:While I wait to see how the mind of your typical "true anti-Mamic" crowd reacts, I’m pretty sure you’re just another traitor too.

Honestly, I'm always down for some traitors at this point. I've grown used to it.👍

mellowhawk5 said:The first time they actually win the league, suddenly there won't be any swampy politics or corrupt refs—everything will just be fair and clean.
I can't stand the USSF or the Commissioner, let alone the people backing them, but reality down in Miami is different—of course I’m rooting for a win against them. It still blows my mind how much of an inferiority complex those guys and their crowd have developed over the years; it's like we're their favorite punching bag every single year. Just a bunch of keyboard warriors.

Exactly.

You being honest? After throwing that thief into the ocean, the flares at St. Etienne, the attack on Bruno Maric, and then going after Mamic when he went down to the league offices... honestly, for this whole saga, we can all give those guys a pass.

holloworca10 said:Look, I don't want to piss off the Chicago crowd, but seeing that level of hatred coming from the stands on the way to the Rose Bowl always gets my blood pumping.😁

That goal by Vide against Ludogorec didn't move the needle for me; back then, I actually believed a bad result might finally force Mamic out. Now, it’s painfully obvious to everyone that no scoreline in the world is ever going to get him removed from this club.

So, you’ve essentially surrendered to the status quo and started celebrating GNK instead. It’s no longer about Mamic’s cronies or his agency; now, you claim it’s about Dinamo. People weren't protesting at Royal or Maks because they thought conceding a goal would somehow purge the establishment; they were protesting because this garbage club has become a monument to privilege, corruption, and the private interests of a criminal entity. If you had been posting this stuff five years ago, the group of people who attacked 19_86 would have branded you a Mamic loyalist immediately. But the constant brainwashing from certain media outlets, sites like Dinamo Insider, and the rhetoric spread by Mamic supporters across the city has taken its toll. The most radical voices have mostly drifted away. What’s left are the moderates—those who have felt uncomfortable from the start with protesting the club, insulting players, or being overly negative while failing to show enough positivity or support for the team. They've been reinforced by new generations who have only ever known this version of the club. To outsiders, you look weak, corrupt, hypocritical, and two-faced. Those other fans don't understand how we reached this point of division between what I call the "extremists" and the "moderates." Over the years, the former lost their influence and strength, while the latter gained ground until they eventually took control. Those who were walking the streets five years ago saying we needed to find a compromise with Mamic finally got their moment when they tried to pressure the leadership for a change in direction. It was precisely this lack of unity that doomed everything from the very beginning. 19_86 needs to accept that the conversations we had five years ago are dead. Public outbursts like this serve no purpose for anyone except the enemies reading this and enjoying our internal collapse. Just let today's generation do things their way.

Kyle Campbell4, you just wrote a mountain of nonsense.
If we’ve truly moved past this "soft" approach, then why is the club doubling down on vague nonsense like "U18"? And why is it still only our section where the C-list crowd calls all the shots?
Shouldn't the fight be led by the people who actually show up, rather than those sitting on the sidelines acting like experts without having been present for years?
You haven't been seen anywhere for years, yet suddenly you think you know everything.

Half of those massive extremist factions completely fell apart after two years, leaving nothing behind but a group of kids who spent years being harassed by everyone else... so frankly, I've had enough of those old haters left over from the Royal days still trying to spite and trash everything we do.

We have a huge weekend of supporter action ahead—Friday football, Sunday racing! Everyone is invited: the haters, the extremists, and even the goalpost jumpers.

Kyle Campbell4 said:So you’ve basically just accepted the status quo and started sucking up to GNK. It’s not just about being Mamic’s little cronies or some shady agency anymore—it’s actually about Dinamo now. Look, people weren't rooting against the club at Royal or Maks because they thought conceding a goal would somehow get rid of the opposition; they did it because they were fed up with this absolute trash club that has become a symbol of favoritism, corruption, and basically acting as a private agency for one criminal. If you had been posting this kind of stuff five years ago, you and your little group who attacked 19_86 would have been branded as Mamic loyalists immediately. But honestly, the constant brainwashing from certain media outlets, those fan sites, and all that rhetoric floating around the city has taken its toll. The more hardcore fans mostly drifted away. What’s left are the "softies"—the ones who felt uncomfortable rooting against the club, insulting players, or being overly negative toward Mamic while not showing enough positivity for the team. And they’ve been bolstered by new generations who only ever knew the club this way. To everyone else, the group looks weak, corrupt, and hypocritical. You guys don't get how we split into what I call the "extremists" and the "softies." Over the years, the first group lost its influence, while the second grew stronger and eventually took over. Those who were out there five years ago saying we needed to find a compromise with Mamic finally got their moment when they tried to pressure the leadership for a change in direction. That exact lack of unity is why everything was doomed from the start. 19_86 has made peace with the fact that the arguments from five years ago aren't going to fly anymore. Public outbursts like this don't help anyone—they just give our enemies something to laugh at. Just let today's crowd do their thing.

I’m gonna quote a part of my own post here: "...and not even out of love for Dinamo, but more out of spite for those idiots." which totally shuts down your claim about me "sucking up to Dinamo." I’m not celebrating Dinamo’s goals just to spite someone else, but if it’s against those total losers? Yeah, I’ll celebrate them with everything I've got.

Who was it that actually let Torcida into the East Stand—the radicals or the softies?

This forum is pretty much the only place where you'll find a bunch of former Dinamo fans who have had their brains completely scrubbed. They’ve spent years acting like those guys are actually "likable," yet they can't wrap their heads around people who actually call themselves Dinamo supporters and show up to the games.

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If you want to have a serious conversation about this, I think maybe 95 percent of the people who used to show up have basically given up somehow. People just go out of habit now, mostly because of their friends and stuff like that. Personally, I feel like this whole fight was lost a long time ago, though I'm not really sure what kind of extremes you're talking about. It feels like the same faces have been running things for years. I don't see anyone actually leaving, except for the people who weren't even part of it to begin with. All I see is everyone acting like an expert on the internet, kind of like how you're doing here. Everyone thinks they know everything and acts so wise. And I'm not even talking about anything extreme; I just mean that we probably should have had 4,000 or 5,000 people in the stands, or maybe 15,000 at the protests. If we had done that, I guess people would have treated us differently and actually respected us. The way it is now, it feels like those of us who stayed are just hitting our heads against a brick wall. And if the government decides to use repression to get rid of that remaining group, there's no doubt they'll succeed.

As for the cheering against the merchandise, I don't think that really has anything to do with this. I think people just hate us from the bottom of their hearts, so I guess I'm happy whenever someone—even GNK—manages to drive them away. At the end of the day, nothing would have really changed even if they had won. Except, maybe, that this whole swamp would suddenly turn into some beautiful, perfect league where they just happened to take the title.

Austin Chase2 said:If you want to have a serious conversation here, let’s be real: about 95 percent of the people who used to show up have already checked out one way or another. People still show up out of habit, because of their friends, or whatever... but in my personal opinion, this fight was lost a long time ago. And I don't even know what kind of "extremes" you think you're talking about, because it's just the same old faces in the stands year after year. I don't see anyone actually leaving, except for those who weren't even part of the core to begin with. All I see is constant armchair expertise on the internet, much like yours... everyone thinks they're an expert and everyone has an opinion. I'm not even talking about radical actions; I'm saying we should have had 4,000 or 5,000 people in the stands, or 15,000 showing up at protests. If we had done that, they would have been forced to respect us, to actually value us. Instead, what we're doing is just banging our heads against a brick wall with the small group of people who stayed behind. And once the state apparatus decides to use repression to wipe out that remaining group, there's no doubt they'll succeed...

As for the cheering against the players, that has nothing to do with the main issue. People hate us from the bottom of their souls, and frankly, I'm happy whenever someone—even GNK—manages to drive them apart. At the end of the day, nothing would have changed even if they had won... except that this entire swamp would have suddenly turned into some beautiful, pristine league where they just happened to take the title.

I agree with everything said. If the "Dinamo - That's Us" association can't pull in the broader masses through various campaigns, matchday presence, or social gatherings—beyond just the Bad Boys—then I think it's all over. It's going to be nearly impossible to fix anything through the courts; we all know how the legal system works in this country. 2018 is going to be a make-or-break moment...

Before anyone starts attacking me, let me be clear: the thousand of us who showed up at the protests will always be here, but everything I've written refers to the rest of the crowd...

Maybe an initiative could step up and do something, and maybe it’ll work in some small way, I guess. But honestly, this feels like a battle that was lost a long time ago. I think it’s because nowadays, people just don't seem to care about Dinamo as much as they used to. Just look at that last derby as an example; there was all this tension and uncertainty, and while the atmosphere in Miami was absolutely electric, in NYC, I think maybe 70 percent of the people didn't even realize a game was happening. Maybe another 28 percent knew because they had a bet on it, and I suppose only about 2 percent actually cared about the match itself.

So, I don't think it's something that can be fixed just by doing that. Even if Mamic were to leave tomorrow or the day after—and he might have to, since he's gotten too caught up in politics—it wouldn't change everything. We might see a more respectable era for the MLS, but things will probably stay pretty much the same. You can't just suddenly instill a sense of passion in people overnight. It feels like a lost cause, and I suspect it won't come back for many years.

Five years after everything collapsed in America, you were sitting on 20 million at some local firm like ExxonMobil and another 25 thousand over at Varteks. Once this club actually starts acting like a real organization again, the recovery process will kick in, bringing everyone back into the fold: the die-hards, the casuals, the rebels, the skeptics, and all those different types of fans. Or is the real issue that there’s just zero hype surrounding a club like this?

I don't really see any connection between 2006 and the current state of things here in America, but whatever. I guess I just can't get into all this hype everyone is making. It honestly feels a bit strange living in an era where kids are more obsessed with following Barca or Real because of the internet and everything. I suppose I just wonder why people care so intensely about this club, when it feels like maybe 99 percent of people in Chicago are pretty much indifferent toward Dinamo. Right now, interest in Dinamo seems to be about on par with how people feel about KK Cedevita.

There are plenty of potential reasons for this, but I believe there are two primary drivers. First off, the lack of competition in the MLS. When Dinamo clinches titles for twelve consecutive years with a massive 15+ point lead, people just stop treating the derby like a derby; that sense of anticipation for the big match simply evaporates. It’s a similar story regarding European matches, though unfortunately, it works in reverse. The second reason, obviously, is ZM and his associates—all that toxic atmosphere, the divisions, the corruption... The situation is dire, yet hope remains very much alive. We just need to win back the general public. Take this as an example: Dinamo vs. Arsenal. I watched that game at home with my old man, my uncle, and two of their buddies. They were never hardcore bbb types, but they used to show up to games back in their 20s and 30s. We were practically glued to the screen the entire match, and when those goals went in, it was everything from tears to pure screaming. I had never seen them react like that, nor did I ever consider them die-hard supporters. The point is, you don't gain or lose love after 15, 20, or 50 years. You either have it or you don't, right from the start. I think that passion is currently buried deep within people because of all the bullshit over the last decade or so, but we need one "Arsenal," one single spark to reignite that flame, and then everything will fall into place. That is also why I still believe in something, in the association, in the group...

Austin Chase2 said:I see absolutely no connection between 2006 and America, but fine. I refuse to be bothered by any manufactured hype. It is frankly pathetic that we live in an era where kids are more interested in rooting for Barca or Real just because of the internet. What truly troubles me is how much people obsess over this club when, quite literally, 99 percent of Chicago couldn't care less about Dinamo. They don't hate it, they don't love it; they are simply indifferent. Right now, interest in Dinamo is on par with KK Cedevita.

Fine, I will clarify when necessary. I could theoretically manufacture ten more insiders from within the club ranks, put forty-four PR agencies on the payroll, and still achieve nothing. I might even be able to mislead a small group of people. However, the public is not foolish; people can sense when something is fundamentally wrong. That is precisely why there is such a massive resistance toward a club like this. Don't bother looking for a connection. During the 2005/2006 season, the hype was so pervasive that even at Zeljeznicar, everyone knew it was going to be a legendary season. A similar surge of excitement will occur once the corporate types are ousted and this becomes a club of the people. I am not suggesting the stadium will be packed instantly, but there will be an initial momentum and a buzz surrounding the whole project that will attract both old fans and newcomers. From there, the responsibility falls on us to build the narrative and grow our numbers every single season. That is the theory. In practice, however, we will likely deal with bitter glares, internal infighting, accusations about who showed up, petty bickering, and all that nonsense—and we will inevitably ruin the whole thing ourselves. We shall see.

I think I'm completely on the same page as you regarding why things ended up this way. I’m just looking at how things stand right now, and I honestly don't believe everything is just going to magically become perfect the moment he leaves. I suspect that interest in Dinamo might stay pretty much the same for quite a few years to come

Kyle Campbell4 said:Alright, let me clarify my position here because I think there’s some misunderstanding. You could theoretically take the current inner circle at the club and manufacture ten more "insiders," or you could put forty-four different PR agencies on the payroll, and it still wouldn't change the fundamental reality of things. I could even attempt to organize a small group of dedicated people to steer the ship. However, the public isn't foolish; people have an innate ability to sense when something feels manufactured or dishonest. That is precisely why there is such a palpable resistance toward a club run this way. Don't get hung up on a single link or article. Think back to the 2005/2006 season—there was such a massive wave of genuine excitement that even over at Zeljeznicar, everyone already knew it was going to be a legendary year. We will see a similar surge of momentum once the old guard is finally ousted and this club truly belongs to the people. I am not suggesting the stadium will be packed from day one, but there will be an initial spark, a certain level of hype surrounding the whole narrative that will draw in both longtime supporters and fresh faces. Beyond that, the responsibility falls entirely on us to build that story and ensure we attract a larger crowd with every passing season. That is how it works in theory. In practice, however, we run the risk of ruining everything through petty grievances, side-eyeing one another, constant accusations about who showed up where, and endless nitpicking. If we succumb to that, we will destroy the very momentum we worked so hard to create. Time will tell if we can actually pull it off.

Futsal? 😁