Elitists of all nations...

Aaron Fox19 said:Can we even wrap our heads around the idea that a single, mid-sized American city could actually function with such a perfectly organized system today? I’m talking about a layout where the drainage is seamless, the street cleaning is flawless, and the entire urban blueprint—from the grid of the streets to the precise placement of residential homes, temples, and the central plaza—is executed with absolute precision. It feels almost impossible to imagine such intentionality in modern urban planning.
Everything has been meticulously organized—honestly, it’s about time. It's high time we acknowledged that Sparta was lagging seriously behind, especially considering they never really placed enough importance on urban planning and things of that nature.

I was hunting around for some kind of representation of Achilles when I stumbled upon this—it’s actually quite interesting. Some kids were putting together a presentation on the broad strokes of colonization, specifically focusing on those very first Ionian colonies over in Asia Minor.
And finally, here’s the most fascinating part—something I honestly hadn't realized until now—that the Old City Field on Hvar, acting as this perfectly preserved slice of ancient Greece, actually dictated how land was divided across the entire Mediterranean...

http://www.slideshare.net/Strukovnas...a-prezentacija

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Plato actually had a wicked sense of humor—you just have to look past the dense metaphysical stuff to see it. 😬

Megan Chase43 said:I was looking for an image of Achilles on some kind of pottery and stumbled upon this. It's just a school presentation on the basics of colonization, starting from those first Ionian colonies in Asia Minor.
The most interesting part at the end—something I didn't know—is how the Old Town Field in the US served as one of the best-preserved examples of ancient Greek land distribution across the entire Mediterranean...

http://www.slideshare.net/Strukovnas...a-prezentacija

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Plato had a sense of humor. 😬

Thanks, Megan... Let me offer a poem as a small token of appreciation for what you've shared here regarding a world that might be gone, but will never truly vanish as long as people like us are around to remember it.

I've been to Pharos, seen the stone tablet they eventually sent back to its home island of Paros... I've stood on Corcyra and seen the very first Greek pier...
Ugh.

Thanks, Aaron Fox19, it’s lovely.

I've spent time wandering through Mycenae, Epidaurus, Delphi, and—of course—all the major sites around Athens. Mycenae itself was actually closed off for some construction work, but I managed to catch a glimpse of the Lion Gate. Honestly, if you've dedicated any part of your life to studying this culture, being physically present there to soak up the atmosphere is absolutely vital. I didn't feel truly settled until I finally laid eyes on Parnassus.😁

Megan Chase43 said:Thanks, Aaron Fox19. It’s beautiful.

I visited Mycenae, Epidaurus, Delphi, and of course, all the major sites in Athens. Mycenae was actually closed off for construction, but I still managed to get a look at the Lion Gate. You have to feel that atmosphere for yourself. It’s essential if you've spent any part of your life dedicated to this culture. I didn't truly feel at peace until I saw Parnassus.😁

The Minoan culture....
Watching that show, they brought up that insane fortress again. Apparently, those massive stones are such a mystery that even the experts can't figure out how they were actually built.

What’s your take on this?

Delphi is the gold standard. Especially that inscription.Know yourself.

Aaron Fox19 said:What's your take on this?

I’m telling you—the host and Professor Helen are essentially one and the same. 🙏I honestly found myself really enjoying both the thread itself and the way they communicated—it was captivating, really. And then, of course, that effortless little flirtation at the very end.😍 Absolutely precious.

The theory regarding the volcano on Tere actually has a second part—at least in certain versions of the story. According to those folks, the eruption triggered a massive earthquake, which then kicked off a tsunami that completely wiped out Crete and surged all the way across the sea to Greece... essentially annihilating the entire Cretan-Mycenaean civilization in one fell swoop. But—and here’s the kicker—they actually found later pottery sitting right there in the ruins.
Man, if that theory actually turned out to be true, it would be a beautiful thing—truly poetic. Imagine a people who held absolute sovereignty over the ocean, living their lives with such ease and comfort, never once looking over their shoulder in fear... only to suddenly feel the wrath of Poseidon one day because they dared to grow too proud, and then, just like that, they vanish forever beneath the waves.

I honestly don't think people realize just how massive this discovery actually was—we’re talking about pushing the existence of the Greek language back by several centuries. The deciphering of Linear B changed everything. These tablets weren't some epic poetry; they were pure administrative grit—inventories, warehouse lists, bureaucratic nonsense—which gives you a crystal-clear window into what daily life was actually like in Mycenae. You can see those Eastern influences bleeding into Crete, sure, but the core of the culture remains distinctly their own. It’s really just the Minoan culture extending its reach into Greece... I can almost picture Agamemnon rolling his eyes because the Cretans don't have any suspenders.

I had no idea Ventris possessed such a photographic memory... honestly, that explains a lot about his process. If he were still around today, he probably would have cracked Linear A himself—it’s almost a certainty. It really baffles me that, even with all the cutting-edge technology we have at our disposal nowadays, we still can't manage to make that breakthrough.🤷

Megan Chase43 said:I'm telling you, both the host and the professor are Helen. 🙏I actually enjoyed following this thread and watching how they talked to each other. And that light flirting at the end? Pure gold.😍 Too sweet.

Hmm... I can't say I noticed that. In this case...

Megan Chase43 said:The discovery of Linear B changed everything. These tablets were strictly administrative—lists of warehouse inventory, supplies, and various logistics. It gives you a crystal-clear window into how life actually functioned in Mycenae. While you can see Eastern influences bleeding into Crete, the core of their culture remains distinctly their own. Essentially, the Minoan culture was spreading its reach across Greece.

But that letter hasn't been deciphered yet—and if we can't crack Etruscan either, then what are we actually doing here?
And when that happens? Who knows.Finally, some actual good news from ancient history. Maybe there's even a mention of Helen in here.

Megan Chase43 said:I can just picture Agamemnon yelling about how the Cretans don't even have decent beads.

Your passion is intense... even Achilles would be jealous.

Linear B has been cracked, but Linear A remains a total mystery.

Back when Evans was digging through Knossos, he stumbled upon tablets featuring a script that definitely wasn't an alphabet. We’re looking at two distinct symbol systems that share some DNA but aren't identical—hence the names Linear A and Linear B.
Blegen actually unearthed those Linear B tablets within a Mycenaean palace discovered in the city of Pylos, though later on, more of them turned up right in Mycenae itself.
Now, look—Champollion had his big break with the Rosetta Stone, using that bilingual document to bridge the gap, but for Linear B, there was absolutely nothing like that available. Every single attempt was a dead end until Ventris and Chadwick decided to gamble on the assumption that the underlying language was Greek. Once they did that, the pieces finally started clicking into place, allowing the two of them to decipher about 65 out of the 90 characters.

Because being part of the Greek world was defined primarily by language, this discovery essentially shifts the entire timeline of Greek history. Instead of starting in the 8th century, we’re looking much further back—to the middle of the second millennium BCE, specifically the late 15th Century, because that’s when Mycenae officially enters the historical record.
If you watch the show, you'll see the older professor pointing out how certain local Mycenaean deities actually worked their way into the Greek Pantheon to take their seats on Olympus alongside the others.

Andrea, why do you write such long posts? 🙂

What, they aren't long—it’s just a vertical list. Klonovska's work for George, total Klonovska business ☕

So, what did you whip up in the kitchen today? 😍🙂 Bell peppers are still way too pricey for stuffing.

Not you again with the clones 🙄

I treated myself to some lasagna today, and man, it was delicious 🙂 On the downside, my washing machine decided to quit on me 😢

Richard Sanders7 said:Here we go again—you and your clones. 🙄

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Don't go panicking about the machine—it might just be a power outage.☕

Megan Chase43 said:🤣

Don't stress too much about the washing machine; there might just be a power outage or a tripped breaker.☕

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It’s not an electrical issue; it keeps running water regardless. I went to check on the warranty paperwork today, and if that doesn't clear things up, I'll be calling a repair technician tomorrow. 🙂

Hey, where have you been hiding? I haven't seen you around the countdown threads or any of those similar discussions lately! ☕

Honestly, I don't know—just recharging my batteries for a bit. I actually found a friend to gossip with about some women from before the time of Christ, so as soon as I wrap my head around the New Era, here I am.🙂
We're currently hovering somewhere around the 15th Century, even before🕺 but I'll get through this quickly enough,😍 just you
wait and see.

Megan Chase43 said:Linear B was deciphered, but Linear A remains a mystery.

Evans found tablets in Knossos featuring a script that wasn't alphabetic. There are two symbol systems that look similar but aren't identical. They were dubbed Linear A and Linear B.
Blegen discovered Linear B tablets at a Mycenaean palace unearthed in the city of Pylos, and later, those same types of tablets were found right in Mycenae itself.
Champollion used a bilingual document—the Rosetta Stone—to crack his code, but there was nothing like that available for deciphering Linear B. Every attempt was a dead end until Ventris and Chadwick decided to work under the assumption that the language was Greek. That’s when the equivalencies started appearing, and the two of them managed to crack 65 out of 90 characters.

Because identity in the ancient world was defined primarily by language, this shifts the entire timeline of Greek history. Instead of starting in the 8th century, we move back to the mid-second millennium BCE, specifically the end of the 15th Century, because that's when Mycenae becomes part of the Greek story.
You can see it for yourself in the show; the older professor mentions how certain local Mycenaean deities actually merged into the Greek Pantheon and took their places on Olympus.

The mere thought that there is still so much left to uncover about a lost civilization is enough to excite anyone searching for meaningful answers about the people who inhabited this planet before us...

I can't even put into words how stunned I was watching the segment on the Antikythera mechanism. It blew my mind that long ago, they didn't just have the concept, they had the actual execution regarding how the Greeks organized their lives.
Just imagine an instrument that advanced, rivaling modern technology.
It leaves you asking one question over and over: how?

Most of the Wonders of the World refer to the Greek world anyway...

Talking about the Greeks is like talking about one of the great mysteries of the world... You can never get enough. It's nectar for free thinkers. You can never fully grasp the world if you don't understand the significance of the Greeks...
Quite simply, if we accept the sad truth that every civilization falls once it reaches its peak, then we have to wonder where our own end is hiding...
Did the Greeks know the same thing?!

Andrea :tuzini:what on earth are you talking about?😳

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so, what actually happened now 🙂

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oh, darling 🙂

Baby 🙂

🙂 Let me see if I can infect you all a little 😬