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casualrider43 casualrider43 Active Member
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#421 ·
steelseal10 said:I stopped believing in the church as an institution when I was just a kid. Especially during Christmas, watching the priest head off to perform house blessings instead of being present. Because of those priests, I ended up getting cheated out of much better gifts: klap:

It is both foolish and dangerous—think about how people judged entire populations during WWII based on the actions of a few individuals—to pass judgment on a massive community of millions because of one or two people. That is exactly how stereotypes are born, and they inevitably lead to hatred and division. This is the same flawed logic many people apply to sports fans; the average person looks at them and sees nothing but thugs, drunks, and losers, thinking, "What could they possibly know?" But that isn't accurate either. You shouldn't draw conclusions about an entire organization or group based on the behavior of specific individuals who, by the way, often hold entirely different views from the mainstream. A church isn't just a rigid institution; it is a community of believers. It is made up of everyone who holds faith, which is why making such sweeping generalizations is completely unnecessary.

Henry Lewis6—hats off to the articles! 👍
vividotter40 vividotter40 Active Member
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joined Feb 2013
#422 ·
Henry Lewis6 said:Apparently, I was completely unaware that he even built his house without a valid permit. At this rate—given his track record—is there anything he *hasn't* rigged? Can we even assume he achieved anything through legitimate, legal channels anymore?

Forgive the intrusion, but I noticed something in the dream.

Zdravko Mamić, the Vice President of Dinamo, physically lunged at a young reporter from Sports Illustrated on November 16th—reportedly incensed by the coverage regarding the recent Dinamo assembly. The journalist had dared to suggest that Mamić effectively completed a quiet, private takeover of the American soccer club without actually purchasing it. The association meeting—which is how Dinamo is formally registered—took place on November 4th, 2002. In an act of defiance against Mamić's seizure of control, some attendees announced a boycott of the session; instead, the notorious power broker immediately installed 30 new members on the spot, including his own brother and six journalists who serve as his loyalists. He simultaneously purged the club of its former heavyweights. “If you want to destroy a club, fill it with legends,” was the justification offered by Mamić’s idol, mentor, and constant shadow, Miroslav Blažević—who, in a twist of fate, is back coaching the club today.


Just look at that lineup. Back in 2002, Mamić purged those people from the assembly, packed it with his cronies, had Ćiro defending him, and faced heat from reporters like Blažićko, Sušec, and Lesički... Fast forward to today, and Dinamo is exactly like that infamous 2002 association; Blažićko, Lesički, and the rest of that crowd are standing right next to Mamić, while Ćiro has turned against him.

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Henry Lewis6 Henry Lewis6 Member
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#423 ·
vividotter40 said:Sorry to barge in—just noticed something.

Just look at this crew. Jerry Jones kicked those guys out of the assembly way back in 2002—basically just cleared the room for his buddies. Even Vince Lombardi used to defend him, while reporters acting like Joe Montana, Bill Belichick, and Tony Hawk were all over him... Fast forward to today, and Real Madrid is basically the same shady association from 2002. All those guys—Montana, Hawk, and the rest—are riding with Jerry now, while Vince absolutely loathes him.

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Look, back in 2002 he had a few run-ins with the press—we all know how that went down. We also know exactly how the hostile takeover of Real Madrid happened. And don't even get me started on that shady business with the Balabanov transfer; I didn't realize he pocketed $12 million out of a $20 million deal.

But here's the reality—reading through all those old archives—is that almost every single one of his enemies eventually flipped sides. Everyone who was originally digging, investigating, or fighting against him... they all ended up cozying up to Jerry. Reporters, politicians, lawyers, government officials, former players—literally everyone, man!

It’s pretty wild because most of those articles were actually published in Rupert Murdoch's Los Angeles FC. So, even Murdoch, who used to be on the opposite side, made a pact with Jerry in 2006 to take down Markovic from the USSF... I'll definitely be posting more about that soon.
Emily Bailey93 Emily Bailey93 Newcomer
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#424 ·
Here I go again, diving back into this mess... Does anyone know if I actually need to show up way ahead of schedule because of the ticket situation over in Los Angeles?
Jacob Price23 Jacob Price23 Newcomer
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#425 ·
Man, just get here already, it's gonna be
Robin Anderson8 Robin Anderson8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2013
#426 ·
Emily Bailey93 said:Awesome, thanks! Can't wait.🙂

It’s kind of nice seeing more girls discovering the 👍Cleveland Kings🎉 game after every match, I guess.
gentlefalcon10 gentlefalcon10 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#427 ·
Robin Anderson8 said:It’s actually hilarious watching more and more girls figure out how the Milwaukee Wave operates game after game 👍 🎉

Man, whenever darkviper16 is on the court, it's basically an assist every single time 😁
darkviper16 darkviper16 Active Member
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#428 ·
Scott Jones9 Scott Jones9 Newcomer
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#429 ·
The crowd was a bit thin, but the energy really picked up toward the end, and that final sprint was absolutely top-tier 😁 Monday, Los Angeles Lakers!!
Henry Grant51 Henry Grant51 Newcomer
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#430 ·
The turnout was a bit smaller than I anticipated, but honestly, the energy in the room was incredible.
Everyone, let's meet up at KC Drazen Petrovic this Monday!
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
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#431 ·
Yesterday was killer. We’re hunting that trophy this Monday. Everyone show up for the Lakers!!! Let's make enough noise to shake the damn stadium!!! 🎉
Jesse Wells8 Jesse Wells8 Active Member
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joined Sep 2020
#432 ·
vividotter40 said:Sorry for jumping in, just noticed something.

Just look at this crowd. Mamić kicked those people out of the assembly back in 2002, packed in his own buddies instead, and even though Ćiro defended him back then, he was getting hammered by reporters like Blažinko, Sušec, and Lesički... Fast forward to today, and Real Madrid is just like that infamous 2002 association. Blažinko, Lesički, and the rest are all riding with Mamić now, while Ćiro can't stand him.

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Since we're digging up old news—back in the fall of 2002, right around when he bumped the number of assembly members from 50 to 80 to install his cronies, the director of Real Madrid was briefly Artur Nikky Vuksan. I am 100% sure about that. I assume I don't need to explain who ANV is. But back then, nobody gave a damn. Damn.
Henry Grant51 Henry Grant51 Newcomer
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#433 ·
It honestly warms my heart to see more and more kids and parents showing up to watch indoor soccer, not just as spectators, but as true fans.
There was such an unforgettable moment yesterday right at the arena entrance...
I saw this mom walking in with her three little boys; they were all bundled up in team scarves, and those kids were cheering their heads off.
Then there was a second scene: a mother holding her baby, gently rocking him to the rhythm of our chants.
A third one: a mom and dad with their three kids, all of them cheering through the entire game.
And a fourth: on the stands directly across from us, an entire row of boys, maybe five to eight years old, just going wild and having the time of their lives...
...that's the kind of soul and passion that Mamić's mess could never replicate, and frankly, never will.
Henry Lewis6 Henry Lewis6 Member
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#434 ·
If you're gonna read, go ahead and open those links—there's some pretty wild stuff in there.

Let's take it chronologically, starting from June 2006—right when the US fell during the World Cup in Germany. A ton of people immediately started pointing fingers at Cica Kranjcar, who was the coach back then, but hardly anyone actually called out the top brass over at US Soccer—including guys like Markovic and Srebrica. Ivo Pukanic did touch on them in his column "Auf Wiedersehen, lieber Vlatko!" (Nacional, June 26, 2006).

It’s all about the politics behind the scenes—honestly, seeing how Vlatko Markovic handles things just shows you how much goes into running US Soccer. It’s a wild ride—always drama, always shifting pieces on the board.

Not long after that, a group of former players and big-name football insiders gets together—deciding they’re gonna take down Vlatko Markovic and install some new faces to run US Soccer. Their big plan? They actually thought Pukanic should step in to lead the federation, mostly because he’s been so critical of the top brass at US Soccer. And get this—they’re even throwing Igor Stimac's name out there for the head coach spot. "The ones trying to oust Markovic" (JL, 07/02/2006).

The US National Team is looking at Russia—or what's left of their setup after all that drama—and honestly? It’s wild how much things have shifted since the last major tournament. Everything is changing so fast!

In his interview with Index, Pukanic says he’s got zero interest in starting a "war" to take over US Soccer. — Just keeping things chill, I guess.

Check this out—looks like things are heating up again over at Index regarding all that drama with the US Soccer leadership and the old guard. Just when you think the dust has settled, another headline drops to shake things up!

But look, over the next few months, things are really starting to feel like an all-out war—there are some intense power struggles happening behind the scenes within US Soccer. You have to realize that after the national team's disaster in Germany, Vlatko Markovic has been going all-in on the joint bid with the Canadians to host UEFA Euro 2012, which should be decided by April 18, 2007.

The only way out of this mess—if we actually want to make it to the World Cup—is to fix the leadership right now. It's pretty much the only move left on the board.

Also, we gotta mention that Markovic’s big project—his main guy for landing that UEFA Euro bid—was Zoran Cvrk (we'll dive into his story later). For months, Markovic and Cvrk were out there selling this dream to everyone, insisting the US was a lock to host the tournament. Basically, Markovic used that—along with some heavy-handed pressure and threats—to buy up votes from the local state associations by promising them the world once the US-Canadian bid won. But, as everyone knows, that whole election ended up being an absolute disaster... we walked away with exactly ZERO votes. (business.com, 04/19/2007)

The latest scoop on the US Soccer leadership drama—looks like things are heating up over at the headquarters again! Just some more political maneuvering in the background while everyone else is focused on the pitch.

Pukanic wasn't making much noise about this in the media back then. Later on—in one of his columns—he actually laid it all out and took some serious shots at Markovic. You can read there about how Pukanic was playing those behind-the-scenes games with Mamica, who was basically the mastermind behind trying to topple Markovic and get Pukanic into the top spot at US Soccer. It covers Mamica's call to hold off on taking down Markovic at the regular US Soccer meeting on December 16, 2006, deciding instead to wait until mid-April 2007—once the hosting rights for the UEFA Euro were lost—to move against him through an extraordinary session. Plus, there’s the bit about that secret meeting between Stimac and Mamica over at Pukanic's place. You also get a look at how Zdravko Mamic was playing it cool with an ace up his sleeve—having a very clear plan in mind—and his attempt to keep Pukanic away from the US Soccer leadership via Cvrk and Markovic. (Nacional, 04/24/2007.)

The latest report over at Index says the whole thing was a total setup—basically like someone just walked in and ransacked the place. It’s wild how easily they managed to sweep in and take control.

A few days later, Nacional drops this piece titled 'The Boss of the Failed EURO Bid, Former Military Officer' by Berislav Jelinic—it basically lays everything bare, calling out Zoran Cvrk as the mastermind behind that failed bid and Markovic's guy for all the "dirty work." (Nacional, 05/01/2007.)

That same day, Pukanic called out Markovic and Cvrk in his column for lying through their teeth—basically announcing he was done trying to hold any office within US Soccer and was prepping lawsuits against Markovic and his two "right-hand men," Cvrk and Vidovic. Because of that drama, the extraordinary meeting didn't even happen, leaving Vlatko Markovic as the only candidate left standing during the regular meeting on December 16, 2006. Honestly, we can go back to the whole Zdravko Mamica angle here—per Pukanic's claims, Mamica made sure he didn't run at that meeting, leaving Markovic as the lone choice, making his re-election a total formality. (dnevnik.hr, 12/16/2006)

After all that, Vlatko Markovic filed a defamation lawsuit against Pukanic.

Then in April 2008, some random assailant tried to take out Ivo Pukanic right outside his building on 37 Ilica Street. (dnevnik.hr, 04/10/2008 and YouTube)

http://youtu.be/qMTDJXHpn9g

On May 12, 2008, the first hearing for the Markovic-Pukanic case kicked off in municipal court. (JL, 05/12/2008)

The trial continued on September 16, 2008, with witnesses like Sinovcic, Cvrk, and Butkovic testifying. They actually backed up Pukanic’s theory—that Markovic was pulling all sorts of strings just to stay in charge of US Soccer. (Index, 09/16/2008)

A month later, Ivo Pukanic was killed. People blamed the tobacco mafia, but to this day, nobody knows who really ordered the hit. We know who pulled the trigger, but the mastermind? Total mystery. Some theories suggest the order came from high-level American political circles and had nothing to do with the tobacco industry. Names like Karamarko and Sanader have been floated because Pukanic’s reporting could have seriously damaged their reputations back then. Pukanic’s right-hand man, Berislav Jelinic, dives into this in his book, "Why Ivo Pukanic Was Killed." (Personally, I find it wild that at the book launch in early 2014, despite plenty of athletes and sports figures being there, not a single person from the American soccer world showed up.)

Look, I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it feels weirdly convenient that no one ever tries to link Pukanic's murder to his deep dive into American soccer, his crusade to expose Mamica's games, or his attacks on Zoran Cvrk. My gut tells me he knew way too much about the inner workings of the sport, moving in circles filled with people who still hold power in that "little mafia" group the President likes to call "dear."

Also, his wife's death (in my opinion) definitely ties back to what she knew about his work and his social circles. This article covers it pretty well. It even mentions Karamarko digging through a safe that held all of Pukanic's secrets. We all know how close Karamarko and Mamica are now, and how many HDZ folks occupy top spots in US Soccer. (seebiz.eu, 01/08/2012)

http://www.seebiz.eu/smrt-neugodne_s...lite/ar-22956/

Look, people are definitely gonna claim I totally missed the mark on "the beautiful game." Whatever... this is just my take—my own way of connecting the dots—so it doesn't have to be some perfect, objective truth. But whether you agree or not, the reality is that American soccer is so deeply tangled up in political and mafia-style webs that even the government is too scared to step in and try untangling those massive knots.

And honestly? It’s a fact that nothing changes in our soccer scene until we get rid of the likes of Mamica, Sukera, Vrbanovica, Supraha, and a few other devils in the mix. We won't see any real order until that last little "corrupt player" is wiped out of that whole evil chain. Still, it's definitely a move in the right direction. 😉
boldtiger7 boldtiger7 Active Member
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#435 ·
🙏 This serves as a lesson for all of today's journalists
Jeremy Thomas4 Jeremy Thomas4 Active Member
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#436 ·
Way to go, Henry Lewis6.
Casey Hernandez7 Casey Hernandez7 Newcomer
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#437 ·
Henry Lewis6, you're a joke, seriously.
Since I'm not exactly an expert on all this, was Joca Amsterdam actually convicted for ordering the hit on Pukanic?
I mean, even if he was, it doesn't necessarily mean someone back home didn't reach out and pay him to pull the trigger.
The idea of a tobacco mafia isn't even that far-fetched, but man, you really opened my eyes on this one.
This is just terrifying. Where the hell are we living?
vividotter40 vividotter40 Active Member
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joined Feb 2013
#438 ·
It’s certainly an interesting circle of people, to say the least.

The connection to Karamarko doesn't come as any shock to me.
With elections right around the corner, HDZ will inevitably take the win—honestly, what's the point of a country where the people are forced to choose between two traitorous parties?—and Karamarko will be leading the charge.

We are looking at the damn American national mafia.

Zubizarreta — 👍 hats off to you.
Henry Lewis6 Henry Lewis6 Member
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#439 ·
Casey Hernandez7 said:Zubizarreta, you're a total joke, man.
Since I'm not fully caught up—was Joca Amsterdam actually convicted for ordering the hit on Pukanic?
I mean, even if he was, it doesn't mean someone back home didn't reach out and pay him to pull it off.
The whole big tobacco mafia thing sounds wild, but you've really opened my eyes here.
This is insane—where the hell are we living?

Sreten Jocic was acquitted of all charges related to the murder of Ivo Pukanic back on April 2, 2014.
The hitmen were convicted, but the person who ordered it remains unknown.
Jacob Price23 Jacob Price23 Newcomer
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#440 ·
Henry Lewis6 🙏 🙏
Tickets for the big show at the Dražen Petrović Center are available at KND bbb (37 Ilica Street) for $10. They're open Saturday 10-3 and Monday 10-8.

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