2014 Canadian GP - Montreal (June 8)

stormybadger8 said:Since when have Vergne and Alonso been teammates running the exact same tires and strategy?

As for Rosberg and Hamilton, when exactly did Hamilton pull ahead of Rosberg, and based on what?

Did you even watch the race? How else do you think Hamilton ended up ahead of Rosberg?

ruggedhawk20 said:Jean Maria Belestarie and those Elf mercenaries... they’re practically thick as thieves. Every single one of them was planted into the top-tier teams, all bankrolled by the big boss without a second thought. Rosberg, however, never enjoyed that kind of Elf patronage, and isn't that the sole reason why such a noble world champion didn't claim his title much sooner than age 82?

The truth of the matter runs far deeper than mere, dry statistics, though I suppose dry statistics will always yield a precise result. And that result remains: Keke Rosberg = world champion.

And that is indisputable. An absolute, undeniable truth.

Any other theories suggesting that Rosberg isn't a world champion are nothing more than guesswork, alchemy, or pure metaphysics...

I know for a fact that you actually watched the races. What I find curious is why someone who hasn't even seen the footage has the audacity to disparage one of the few drivers who actually managed to secure a championship while driving an inferior car.

graniteharbor502 said:I know you watched the race. What I don't get is why someone who hasn't even seen it has the nerve to trash one of the few drivers left who actually managed to win a championship in an inferior car.

Because we love to troll. Let's be honest here.
Sometimes I just enjoy stirring the pot, especially when dealing with certain personalities.

That doesn't mean I can't handle a serious discussion—on the contrary, I'd much rather have one. But sometimes trolling is just a reaction to... (I won't finish that thought because people might take offense, and God knows how many sensitive egos are floating around this place).

steelmaker83 said:It’s simply because we have a certain fondness for trolling. If I am being perfectly honest with you.
I find myself occasionally drawn to the art of provocation, particularly when it involves certain specific personalities.

Fair enough, 😁then

graniteharbor502 said:Fair enough. 😁

Look, I’ll be honest. Sure, calling certain drivers frauds is idiotic, but there’s a certain charm to it—it gets people riled up, which keeps the forum lively. It’s part of that thirsty little bit of online folklore we have here, and I can live with it. As long as people don't start attacking the fundamental logic of the conversation, it's fine. Once they do, it just becomes exhausting.

Just rolled in.
What a freaking race! 🙏
If you grab a Mercedes, you’re basically guaranteed that 15% power advantage every single time, and everyone shows up to play. 🙏
A total nail-biter right until the checkered flag (holy crap).

Ferrari. 🙂
If Lewis Hamilton, Checo Pérez, and Sema hadn't dropped out, they would've finished dead last at 9th. 👎 total chaos.

Timothy Castillo6 said:I just finally sat down to catch up.
What a race! 🙏
If Mercedes can just find that extra 15% of power in every single race, they'll be right back at the front with everyone else. 🙏
A complete nail-biter until the very end (honestly, my heart is still racing).

As for Ferrari... 🙂
If it weren't for the fact that Lewis Hamilton, Checo Pérez, and Sema—well, everyone ahead of them—dropped out, they would have finished way down in 9th. 👎 Total chaos.

It really seems like those engineers from Maranello showed up to the Grand Prix of Canada with a fresh downgrade package that actually worked wonders. It’s funny, though—only Ferrari could take something decent and somehow make it even worse.

Even The Wall Street Journal was obsessed with this, running stories about it for days on end. 🤮

graniteharbor502 said:I know you watched it. What I want to know is why someone who hasn't even seen it has the nerve to trash a driver who actually managed to win a title in an inferior car.

Too bad the internet didn't exist back in '82—we could have seen how the fans actually viewed those championship protagonists at the time.

I'm positive everyone would be losing their minds over the cheating and the drama. People would be claiming Alain Prost pulled some scam on René Arnoux, or that Patrick cheated Nelson Piquet—or vice versa. Then there'd be the endless debates about whether Jacques Villeneuve was a moron while Didier Pironi was the genius—it's basically just a mirror image of what happened in 2014.

At the end of the day, the championship outcome was basically like if Fernando Alonso won the title in this year's Ferrari. Even if he did win the championship with only one victory while Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg finished last—no one with half a brain would call my man Alonso a "fraud champion," knowing how much performance Ferrari is lacking compared to the leaders right now.

If anything, 1982 was even crazier because the teams were packed so much tighter in terms of raw performance. Like I said before, 1982 is a total anomaly—not because of the result itself, but because there were so many competitive cars on the grid that made that kind of outcome possible.

steelmaker83 said:Did you even watch the race? How on earth did Hamilton end up ahead of Rosberg?

Yeah, clearly you didn't...
Like I told you last time, just check fia.com and you'll get it...

Where do you even watch these races if you can't spot pit stops?
And how is it not obvious that if two drivers are running within about a second of each other all race, and the guy in front stays in the pits for an extra 3 seconds, it's totally normal for the guy behind to come out ahead?
But honestly, it's just embarrassing for Hamilton that Rosberg still managed to overtake him even after that massive screw-up by the team.🤣

jadeseal7 said:That’s because those geniuses from Maranello showed up in Canada with a brand-new downgrade for the car, which clearly worked wonders. Only Ferrari could take a junk heap and make it even worse.

Lojzek says Ferrari can beat Red Bull😁

So if Ferrari is a total trash fire, what does that make Red Bull? A slightly smaller trash fire?😁

jadeseal7 said:It seems the engineers from Maranello arrived in Canada with a brand-new downgrade for the car, which clearly worked perfectly for them. Only Ferrari could take something mediocre and find a way to make it even worse.

Is it possible they simply made a mistake and mounted the wings backward, accidentally generating lift instead of downforce? 🙂

stormybadger8 said:What exactly is it that you’re struggling to wrap your head around?😁

Am I seeing this right, or is a total surrender actually imminent here? 😁😁

P.S. It’s pretty clear that the cultists aren't slowing down one bit—even though their "maestro" has been effectively dormant for years now. To everyone's misfortune, of course, so seeing this level of devotion is nothing short of a miracle. 🙏 tibi - gentleman 🙏🙏

Emily Patel64 said:Am I seeing this right? Is the surrender party basically already gathering? 😁😁

P.S. It’s wild seeing the cultists still going strong even though the maestro has been totally MIA for years now. To all our misfortune, this is nothing short of a miracle. 🙏 tibi - mister 🙏🙏

Look, it’s just common sense. 🤷

I don't know about you, but I always find Vettel just plain exhausting. Everything he does is just too much.😁
Cut the crap about who "deserves" the title or why one champ is legitimate while everyone else is a fraud. All that nonsense is just a waste of time.
If he can't beat his own teammate, he’s got zero chance at winning the championship. Period.🤣
Ricciardo would probably take the headline right now—assuming Red Bull Racing could even find a way to beat Ferrari.

stormybadger8 said:Clearly, you weren't paying attention...
Like I told you last time, just check fia.com and you'll see the facts for yourself...

How can you watch races and miss the pit stops?
It should be obvious that if two drivers are running within about a second of each other for the whole race, and the leader's pit stop takes 3 seconds longer than usual, it’s perfectly normal for the guy behind to jump ahead...
But honestly, it's just embarrassing for Hamilton that Rosberg managed to overtake him again, even after that massive blunder by the team.🤣

Give me a break. Where on earth did you get those 3 seconds from? Rosberg's second pit stop was only 1.5s longer, and when Hamilton pulled ahead, the gap was roughly the same. So, a longer pit stop isn't the reason here...

There is only one explanation. Hamilton's tires (just like Alonso's) held up, and he was faster on his old tire. Something you previously claimed was impossible.

Hamilton was trailing Rosberg by 1.073 seconds with 44 laps left before Rosberg pitted...
Rosberg hits the pits on lap 44, and then you've got Hamilton, who stays out wayyyyy longer because his rubber actually held up.😂 He comes in on lap 45—which is basically 82 seconds later if you're counting.🤣





You're right, it wasn't 3 seconds. I misremembered 6.5 instead of 4.5, but honestly, it doesn't change much...
Besides, Hamilton was only ahead by a few hundred meters before Rosberg blew past him. Hamilton obviously overcooked it and went wide, then tried to claw the position back, only to overcook it again and go wide once more...

P.S. Rosberg was definitely pulling faster laps than Hamilton on that old tire set before the pit stop... laps 40, 41, 42, and 43 were all faster from Rosberg, not Hamilton.😉

Alright, since you’ve gone through all the trouble of setting up those pictures, why don't you pull up the one showing Rosberg exiting the pits? I want to see exactly where Hamilton was positioned at that precise moment—roughly the same second Rosberg was sitting in the pit lane...

Also, the sheer fact that Rosberg was pulling those lap times on old tires during those four laps before his stop just proves my point: old rubber can hold up. Hamilton was slower on his own old set, sure, but he was still faster than what Rosberg managed during that single lap after switching to new ones.

Just look at everyone else's data regarding that first out-lap on a fresh set. They are consistently over a second slower than the guy finishing his stint on old tires. It's obvious that unless the tires are completely shot, a driver can absolutely milk that one extra lap on the old set.

So, we are talking about a margin of a single lap. In Canada, that's those 80 seconds you find so hilarious. And in F1, 80 seconds is an eternity.

graniteharbor502 said:Maksić, man, you're finally bragging about your sportsbook wins in the seventh race of the season. 😍
Hey, whatever. I'm just happy to see you cashing out for once. 👍

Look, you know I'm not really the type to brag. That's why I don't usually post my winnings. But then I saw some people over here flexing their little parlay wins, so I figured I'd toss up these higher odds too...
😍
Anyway... how's things on your end? You cashing anything out lately?
🍿

Edward Howard2 said:Well, you know I’m not really the type to brag, which is why I don't usually bother posting my wins, but since I've noticed some folks around here showing off their payouts, I figured I might as well share these higher odds... 😍

But truly... how are things looking on your end? Are you actually cashing anything out? 🍿

Haven't I already mentioned that I don't actually bet? 🙄