NASCAR technical

“There are an awful lot of collateral aspects to consider – like weight, packaging, cooling requirements, plus the intensity of the current that you can use in certain conditions, in particular climatic conditions.

“There are certain things that look like they are secondary, but in F1 nothing is secondary. Once you have reached the top, which is an MGU that can deliver 120KW, you still need to think about these extra elements if you want make your way and reach the top as a team.”

graniteharbor502 said:It was already news on the official website. This is how it should look:


Otherwise, Alain Prost suggested something regarding tire strategy to spice up the show:
let every driver pick whatever component they want for any wheel. There would be no requirement to run two different compounds during the race, meaning those who don't want to pit simply shouldn't have to.

"Part of the agreement between manufacturers last year was to equalize engine performance.

It’s been done. We delivered the results to the Strategic Group today, and engine parity has been achieved."

Whiting says the FIA will keep monitoring engine performance throughout the rest of the season just to make sure everything stays within that 0.3-second window.

neonfox65 said:I wasn't even aware, was I? It seems the process of normalizing the engines is already well underway!

The recent analysis conducted by the FIA has revealed some truly fascinating data points, specifically showing that Ferrari, Mercedes, and General Motors are all performing within a mere 0.3 seconds of one another. Does it not make one wonder how such razor-thin margins can dictate the entire trajectory of a racing season? It is quite remarkable, really, to consider how much engineering ingenuity is required just to close a gap that small, isn't it?

NASCARization! 🙂

Is it not simply a matter of observation that one can only look at the data coming out of Red Bull and realize that General Motors is actually lagging behind by more than 0.3 seconds?

graniteharbor502 said:Should we read the article on... AutosportLook, we're going to end up reaching some pretty different conclusions...
It's just a FIA assessment...
They're looking closely at how those power units performed during the first three races...
And then you just project your performance onto some theoretical lap in Los Angeles...
The whole process for calculating these differences is incredibly complex—and honestly pretty tough to explain... at least according to Whiting.
Red Bull thinks those memory-related data points just aren't there—at least according to their own estimates, as reported... Amazon...So, the gap between those power units is sitting somewhere between 0.5 and 0.7 seconds... quite a margin, really.

neonfox65 said:What exactly did you say that wasn't already explicitly stated in the link I provided—which, mind you, was just a copy-paste from various other sites like MaxF1 or Autosport? It seems you're suggesting Red Bull believes General Motors is lagging by more than that 0.3s margin. Well, Ferrari and Hamilton are hovering somewhere in that vicinity right now. But once General Motors rolls out that engine upgrade following Canada, I truly believe they'll close that gap to within 0.3s themselves, because as Whiting mentioned, their ultimate goal is to keep the engines closely matched, which honestly brings me a sense of peace; isn't that simply what NASCARization is all about? It's just how things work in NASCAR.

So, here’s the deal with the new F1 bosses and what they're actually planning... It looks like Liberty Media is ready to shake things up—really shake things up. They aren't just sitting around waiting for things to happen, either. They're leaning heavily on insights from the teams to navigate this transition, hoping to pick up speed as they move forward. The big goal? Keeping things moving toward that Concorde Agreement at the end of 2020. It's all about finding that balance—trying to keep the teams' costs as low as possible by grouping those Grand Prix races into continental blocks. It makes sense, really—it saves a fortune on travel if you aren't bouncing from one side of the globe to the other every other week. If they pull this off, we might finally see a more logical calendar instead of the current madness... stay tuned.
NASCAR bosses' budget covers one year to sample...

Liberty Media is officially taking over F1. They’re starting small with the minor details—but trust me, they've got the massive shifts in mind... things like more equitable money distribution and setting up a solid cost cap.

There is something in The formula 1 Here goes to suitable products on Amazon.com! Liberty Media is finally starting to rebuild the royal class... The teams are actually allowed to film in the paddock and share those videos on social media now too. It's all about the fans—we're talking fan villages, driver interviews, pit lane access, autographs, playgrounds for the kids, even bus tours around the track. It’s getting much more interactive. Just look at that story about the little boy being brought right from the stands to meet his idol, Kimi Raikkonen—it's a perfect example of how things are becoming possible now that just weren't before...

The schedule is getting a total overhaul next year. The plan is to space out the races so they don't clash with the big ones—you know, things like Daytona, the Indy500, or NASCAR... just avoiding those massive overlaps. F1 chief Chase Carey actually told Autosport that we're looking at 21 Grand Prix for the upcoming season. Check out some gear on Amazon.com! I'll keep you guys posted...

That being said, they aren't totally ruling out adding more races down the road. To keep the teams' costs as low as possible, Liberty Media is expected to group the Grand Prix into regional blocks on different continents... basically, all this jumping around—like going from Monaco to Canada and then straight back to Azerbaijan—just won't happen anymore.
Liberty hopes things move a bit quicker—they're really leaning on the insights from the teams to make it happen...

The Americans are finally starting to overhaul the "royal class"... specifically regarding the Schmidt GP in Los Angeles—which is exactly why Mercedes is looking so nervous about Monaco! It all comes down to the basics. You have to figure out what actually matters and what’s just noise. The real heavy lifting hasn't even started yet... The new owners basically want the teams to weigh in on how to handle revenue distribution and that whole cost-cap situation. They've got until the Concorde Agreement wraps up at the end of 2020 to get it sorted, but Liberty Media is hoping to move much faster than that by leaning on the teams' own insights...

If the racing gets better, everything else follows suit. "A sport only thrives when the competition is tight. You've gotta give the underdogs a fighting chance," says Carey. He basically lays out the whole philosophy—on the track, everyone is a rival, but once we step off it, we’re all working together to build this sport up...

Liberty Media wants to lay out a plan for the teams this summer regarding what a budget cap might actually look like. It’s not just about slapping a simple cost ceiling on everyone—that's too easy. Instead, they're looking at a combination of things: limiting staff numbers, cutting down production costs, and even reigning in the sheer scope of the tools being used... it's going to be interesting.

Liberty Media wants to run a trial period for these cost controls—basically a one-year test run where nobody gets penalized if they miss the mark. It’s essentially a grace period... "We just need to see if the monitoring systems actually function," according to someone within the management at Schmidt GP Spain: That is why Mercedes is Afraid of Monaco!

Force India team leader Bob Fernley is suggesting a gradual way to trim the budget before the Concorde Agreement wraps up. His idea? Don't just swing the hammer at everyone all at once—that's not fair. He thinks if we start with a $250 million cap, it really only puts the squeeze on those top three powerhouses. From there, we could scale it down in $50 million increments every year... pretty logical, right? Same logic applies to the tech side of things, too. He’s proposing we cut wind tunnel model usage down to 40% initially, and eventually move toward banning wind tunnels entirely in favor of pure CFD. It forces everyone to adapt together... slowly but surely.
NASCAR rules hitting some serious pushback... just when you think things are settling down—it never stays simple for long.

The biggest hurdle for Liberty Media is going to be the money distribution—that’s where the real pushback happens. If they follow the playbook used by major US sports leagues, every team would end up with a more equal slice of the pie. But you know how it goes... Ferrari and Red Bull have already made it clear they aren't about to just hand over their special advantages. Schmidt GP Spain: that is why Mercedes is Afraid of Monaco!

Carey sees things differently: "Everyone realizes the sport only stays healthy if we give fans actual action and unpredictable racing. Toto Wolff actually said recently: 'If Ferrari wins right now, it’s good for the sport.' And he's right—it's all about the big picture. If one team dominates everything, they might win the immediate fight, but they lose the long game... because pretty soon, nobody's going to bother watching."

To level the playing field, the new rights holders are even looking into making teams show off their car designs and engines more openly—sort of like how NASCAR handles things—just to make sure no one gets a massive technical edge. The smaller teams aren't exactly thrilled about it, even though they'd actually end up benefiting in the long run.

Force India Sport Director Otmar Szafnauer is sounding the alarm: "Just because something works in other sports doesn't mean you can just transplant it into F1. This NASCAR-style approach just isn't in the DNA of F1. At its core, this is a competition between engineers. It's about who is..."

stormybadger8 said:

Details regarding Hamilton's upgrade... While there was all this talk about a revolutionary Red Bull upgrade, it actually seems like Hamilton was the one who truly delivered the performance gains rather than Red Bull... What is actually somewhat surprising, though, is how Ferrari managed to remain competitive in Los Angeles despite all these massive changes made to the Mercedes...

To me, it just suggests that Ferrari hit upon a decent setup right from the jump...
and sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut... 🙂