Singapore GP (Marina Bay Street Circuit) - 09/22/2013

swifttiger75 said:Michael Diaz4, my boy... I love seeing you dominate, just like Ferrari or a ninja!

Thanks, kid. Even if you are a bit too young to be commenting on the old F1 days, I appreciate the vote of confidence regarding that dominance...😛

Michael Diaz4 said:Thanks, kid—even if you’re probably a little too young to be lecturing me on the old days of F1. I appreciate the vote of confidence on my dominance, though.😛

And you're clearly just some old-timer jumping in to comment on stuff that isn't yours. Whatever—to each their own. 😁

stormybadger8—I think if Kimi had two more cars on the grid, he’d actually have the guts to go for it. Overtaking depends on a ton of variables, sure—but I'll say it again: unlike most of these guys, Kimi will pull his ace out of his sleeve the second he sees an opening or when he’s got no other choice. 😁

swifttiger75 said:And you’re clearly too old to be commenting on new stuff! Whatever, to each their own. 😁

@stormybadger8/">@@stormybadger8, I think if Kimi had two more names on the grid, he'd actually have the balls to go for it. Passing depends on a lot of things like you said, but let me repeat: unlike most guys, Kimi will play his ace card the second he feels he can make a move or when he absolutely has to. 😁

Oh, obviously.😁
Otherwise, it wouldn't be Kimi... at the end of the day, I'm saying if he wasn't there, those overtakes would just be a consequence of Monaco.😉

The guys know Kimi isn't backing down even if they try to shove him off or bully him... the team still has that image burned into their brains: "This guy doesn't give a damn, he's even crazier than Perez."😁

swifttiger75 said:And you’re clearly just being old and out of touch by commenting on something new! Whatever, to each their own. 😁

@stormybadger8/">@@stormybadger8, I think if Kimi had two more names on the grid, he'd have the guts to go for it. Passing, like you mentioned, depends on a lot of variables, but I'll say it again: unlike most people, Kimi will play his trump card the moment he senses an opening or when he absolutely has to. 😁

Either you're projecting your own frustrations and senility onto everyone else, or you aren't reading carefully... Where did I ever mention Kimi...? Where did I say he wasn't trying or shouldn't have attacked? Those observations were about Alonso's performance, dear boy...

stormybadger8 said:Of course.😁
That wouldn't have been Kimi's style... at the end of the day, I’m telling you, he just wasn't there. All those overtakes? They were really just a byproduct of what happened in Monaco.😉

Everyone knows Kimi isn't going to back down, even if they try to push him to the limit. That image is still burned into the team's mind—that message that he just doesn't give a damn about anything. Honestly, he’s even more unhinged than Perez.😁

You have to give credit where it's due—he was incredibly fair. It was a stellar drive, and he kept things completely clean. Look, we all know Perez has done some questionable things in the past, but Kimi stayed classy here. Seriously, he was nothing but professional.

@TBF,

So basically, from the second he wrote that, it applies to me.😉

Michael Diaz4 said:You have to give him credit, though—he was as classy as it gets. A hell of a drive, and he kept it completely clean. Look, we all know Sergio Perez has done some questionable stuff in the past, but Kimi Räikkönen was totally fair here. Seriously, class act.

With who?
Perez in Monaco. 🤣
If Maldonado or Grosjean pulled that crap, they’d be facing a lifetime ban from the sport.😁

I mean, everyone knows Kimi Räikkönen is a fair driver—it’s pretty obvious from where he’s sitting in the plane... but honestly, this whole Singapore situation is just a mess.👍)
That day in Monaco, Sergio Perez was everywhere, just driving like a complete maniac. Kimi just muttered to himself, "Enough of this kid, now he’s about to meet his maker."😳"

I think it was pretty obvious that this one actually sent his blood pressure through the roof. After that race in Monaco, everyone on the grid knows exactly what's up:
Don't mess with Kimi Räikkönen. 🧐 Fair enough, you can drive clean and play by the rules without any drama, but the second you start acting like a jerk, all hell breaks loose.😁

Michael Diaz4 said:I still think Ferrari has a dominant car but lacks the right drivers... Felipe Massa is basically at the end of his rope, and Fernando Alonso has been whining for years—every time he runs into a faster driver, he starts complaining... That’s not what a great driver does. You either have it or you don't, and he isn't showing he does. If Michael Schumacher had a car like this back in the day, he would've been champion instead of Mika Häkkinen... Alonso just isn't in that class.

Michael Diaz4 said:Haha, sure, keep telling yourself that... There's no fixing a lack of talent. Alonso is proving he's just an average driver considering the machine he's driving... As for the team's strength and the car itself, we'll see year after year, but right now, Ferrari clearly has the best and fastest car on the grid... Their starts are phenomenal... It can't be a coincidence that Alonso consistently has the best launches, only to lose it all because of mediocre driving and bad strategy... Strategy killed him this time too, since he got stuck behind Pastor Maldonado and wasn't allowed to make the move...

Michael, cut the sarcasm and the irony for a second—what you wrote is pure trolling. If you actually believe this stuff and are backing it up with those "arguments" above, then maybe find a less demanding sport... I don't know, darts... or something...

@ ---> check out the TBF post for that explanation

I really don't want to go back and forth with you. If you want to have a real debate based on actual arguments... I'm here. We don't have to agree, but even the late Jacques Villeneuve is probably turning in his grave from the amount of trolling in your posts.

Later!

swifttiger75 said:I really don't want to get into a fight with you. If you want to have a discussion based on actual arguments... then I am here. We don't necessarily need to share the same views, but even the late Jacques Villeneuve would be turning in his grave from the sheer amount of trolling found in your posts.

Cheers!

Well, I find myself agreeing with Tempo; after all, everyone is entitled to their own perspective. I truly believe that a plurality of opinions is a beneficial thing, because there are moments when we might take certain things for granted, and being presented with a different viewpoint offers us the chance to gain entirely new insights. There have been quite a few clashes and debates here in the past that I have personally taken part in. Perhaps at times I have been a bit excessive, but I have always endeavored to argue my specific point of view. Perhaps it is best to conclude with what Voltaire once said: I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!

Wait, what on earth is going on here—am I actually supposed to be writing in Turkish now? 😁
Let's take things one step at a time:

stormybadger8 said:nimblesurfer17—doesn't that statement "Kimi Räikkönen left enough space" strike you as a little bit contradictory?
I think it’s actually the other way around—it's probably that driver out front who decides whether to leave a gap or squeeze you out to prevent the pass in the first place! :D

Hey, did you actually get a chance to read both of my posts regarding Kimi Räikkönen's overtakes? 😁
Just to be clear—when I say "Kimi Räikkönen left enough room," I’m talking specifically about that split second when they were both entering the corner side-by-side, not the actual overtake itself. At that exact moment of entry, we didn't see any of that aggressive maneuvering where the driver on the outside—which was Kimi Räikkönen's position—basically muscle the inside driver out by forcing them wide. You know how it goes—sometimes a driver gets slapped with a penalty for that, and other times they just get away with it. But in this specific instance? Kimi Räikkönen definitely left plenty of space.

Look, I know what people will say—that Sergio Perez's situation in Monaco isn't exactly the same thing as Kimi Räikkönen's run in Singapore—and honestly, they aren't wrong. It’s definitely not apples to apples... mainly because the way these drivers actually behave behind the wheel is worlds apart.
Good grief—that’s exactly why the final result turned out so completely different!😁
It’s funny how much things change depending on where you are—in Monaco, you’ve got two stubborn mules fighting for every inch of asphalt, whereas in Singapore, the drivers are actually pretty chill and willing to play nice ;)

Of course it isn't—not even close...

It’s pretty obvious that Sergio Perez went absolutely ballistic entering Monaco—just diving into a gap that barely existed! He really pushed it there, especially since Kimi Räikkönen wasn't about to give him an inch of breathing room. In the end, Kimi basically boxed him in until the finish line—and honestly, before anyone starts pointing fingers at Sergio Perez for not leaving any space... if we're even going to draw those kinds of parallels! ;)

I mean, seriously—what on earth was he thinking, trying to squeeze into a gap that clearly wasn't there? It just seemed like such a reckless move to attempt a pass in a space that tight. 🙂 It wasn't just a close call—he was driving like a headless chicken out there. There’s a massive difference between being aggressive and being reckless. In this case, Sergio Perez didn't stand a ghost of a chance to avoid the collision once Kimi Räikkönen slammed the door shut—and honestly, Kimi had every right to defend his line. Compare that to what happened during those two overtakes in Singapore; Kimi could have easily backed off to avoid any damage to either driver, or even both of them. He just chose not to.
Kimi was just holding his line—staying perfectly on his defensive path—when that guy came flying right into him...

While we were out here at the Singapore Grand Prix, Kimi Räikkönen spotted a gap left open by the cars ahead—just a tiny bit of breathing room, really—and he seized it instantly. It was one of those moments where you realize the drivers in front weren't exactly defending their line or closing the door during the overtake... just leaving the door wide open for him to slide right through!

Did I ever actually say that the drivers weren't leaving any room for Kimi Räikkönen? 🤷
I'm not entirely sure—honestly, why they left him out there like that is anyone's guess—but I'd imagine they thought their internal racing line would be enough to keep them safe. They probably didn't think Kimi Räikkönen was going to absolutely wreck things by braking that late!

The truth is—they really could have ended up sidelining Kimi Räikkönen, and things could have gone south pretty quickly...
At the end of the day, making a move on someone requires both drivers to be on the same page—it’s all about that unspoken cooperation—and honestly, knowing exactly who you're dealing with makes all the difference ;)

Look, I’ll say it again—Kimi could have pulled out of that overtake attempt at any given second. If they had started closing the door on him, they would have been perfectly within their rights to do so, provided he hadn't already committed half the car past them. I’ve already shared my own take on why they didn't go for it—I'm just sticking to my guns there!

Sergio Perez just didn't have the chance there—he went into that move like a bull in a china shop. Honestly, he came in with so much momentum that I doubt he could have even made it through a standard corner on a local go-kart track without flying off into the grass!

Think about it this way—you’ve got someone like Sergio Perez driving through Monaco, where he’s basically playing it wild and reckless, almost as if whether he picks up points or not doesn't even cross his mind. It’s a completely different headspace compared to the championship contenders out there, who are locked in that intense, high-stakes battle for the title.
They really have to play it safe here—there’s just no point in diving headfirst into high-risk situations when you don't have to. Especially at tracks like Monaco or the Singapore Grand Prix, where any attempt at an overtake feels like a massive gamble—I mean, good grief, there isn't even half a mile of paved run-off area to catch you if things go sideways!
When you finally sit down and crunch all the numbers, the reality is pretty clear—Kimi really showed his teeth out there, pinning Sergio Perez down in Monaco. It wasn't even a contest; Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button didn't stand a chance—they basically just cleared the way.
So, the points have finally settled in—Jenson Button takes the win with 8 points, followed by Fernando Alonso with 6, and Kimi Räikkönen picking up a single point... while poor Sergio Perez ends up with nothing at all.

Look, I’ll be honest—I’m not really one to get too caught up in all those technical driving calculations... it just isn't my style.
I’ve always had a soft spot for raw, head-to-head racing—you know, those moments where drivers actually go for it instead of playing the numbers game. There's just something about that pure aggression that makes the sport what it is! Of course, I'm well aware that playing it safe can sometimes pay off brilliantly in the end—but then again, we only have to look at Fernando Alonso to see how much can be lost when you start calculating too much. Those missed championship titles still sting a bit, even now.

On the other hand, I’m pretty certain Kimi Räikkönen didn't see that collision coming at all—it just wasn't on his radar. He was holding his line perfectly, driving that defensive path exactly how he had for dozens of laps prior, clearly under the impression that the guy behind him actually knew better than to try and squeeze into a gap that simply wasn't there.
Yeah, I have to admit—Kimi really dropped the ball on that one.

And honestly—if you want my two cents—the most fascinating thing to watch is the sheer evolution of Mark Webber: from how he used to race back in the day versus how he operates now. It’s quite the transformation! ☕️
Whenever he realized there was absolutely zero chance of grabbing a title or even a podium finish, he’d just go completely rogue—it was wild! You’d see all that aggressive maneuvering and those desperate, tight closing moves, much like what you'd see from Sergio Perez or Pastor Maldonado.
Honestly, looking at the grid today—especially when there’s actually something at stake like a title or a win—you see Mark Webber out there basically running a driving school. He’s practically teaching everyone the fundamentals, like how to actually leave enough room for someone attempting an overtake, or even better, how to actually execute an overtake when there's space available! It's almost funny—I was just thinking about this over my morning coffee. ☕

Or maybe—and I mean this as a genuine thought—he just finally figured out how to handle things in a much more professional way? 🤷
Who knows? Maybe Sergio Perez will eventually figure it out—he’s still young, after all, and there's plenty of time left on the clock.

stormybadger8 said:With whom?
Sergio Perez at Monaco—now that’s a sight to see. 🤣
Honestly, if we were talking about someone like Pastor Maldonado or Romain Grosjean, they probably would have been slapped with a full race ban for that kind of stuff—haha!

Kimi was actually being perfectly reasonable when he held his ground against Sergio Perez in Monaco—honestly, he was just driving a very disciplined defensive line. It felt like Sergio Perez basically forced his way into a gap that wasn't even there!
Honestly, what kind of divine justice is that race ban? It’s enough to make me want to facepalm right here—though I'll spare you all the visual.😁
If anyone—and I’m not saying anyone specifically *deserved* it, mind you—was looking to pick up a penalty today, it would definitely be Sergio Perez.

I’ve always felt that Kimi Räikkönen is one of the most straightforward, fair drivers out there—honestly, everyone knows that—and you can see his true character from the moment he steps off the plane... though I have to say, everything about this Singapore Grand Prix has been absolutely top-tier.🙂
That day in Monaco, Sergio Perez was just driving like a complete maniac—just throwing the car around left and right without any restraint. I could almost picture Kimi Räikkönen just muttering to himself under his breath, "Alright kid, enough of that... now you're about to see what a real master looks like."

I honestly think that one really sent his blood pressure through the roof—but after everything that went down at Monaco, everyone on the grid knows exactly where things stand.
Don't go messing around with Kimi Räikkönen. 🧐 Fair and clean driving—that’s really all anyone should want, right? No drama, just pure racing. Well, just take the plunge—things have a way of working themselves out eventually! :D

That’s really the heart of the matter—if he can go wheel-to-wheel with Lewis Hamilton, inches apart, without anyone trying to bully the other off the track or slamming into a wall, then I don't see why everyone else can't do the same. It just goes to show that high-stakes racing doesn't always have to be about chaos; sometimes, it's just about pure, respectful skill.

Sergio Perez’s issue is his mindset—he acts like he’s the only car on the track, forcing situations where it’s either he guns it and the other driver backs off, or they just crash.

And like someone already pointed out—it takes two to tango. When it comes to that, Perez is missing from the equation.

I honestly can't imagine what would've happened if we swapped Sergio Perez into that Jenson Button vs. Kimi Räikkönen battle—you know, the one that actually showed how overtaking and defending should be done.

nimblesurfer17 said:On the flip side, I'm pretty sure Kimi- Räikkönen didn't expect the guy behind him to just slam right into him.. he was holding his line perfectly, just like he had been for dozens of laps, thinking the guy following actually understood there was zero space there..
And yeah, Kimi messed up here..

Yeah, right... "didn't expect it" my ass.🤣
If that's the case, then explain why he was screaming over the team radio the lap before that the idiot behind him was going to crash into him..🤣

nimblesurfer17 said:Kimi was totally fine when racing Sergio Perez in Monaco.. He was defending his line, playing it smart.. Perez just lunged where there wasn't any room..
And a race ban for that? If I had a facepalm emoji handy, I'd be using it..😁
If anyone deserved a penalty—and I'm not saying they did—it was Perez..

Look, if someone like Grosjean, Maldonado, or Perez drives a line like that and crashes, and you've got guys like Alonso, Hamilton, or Kimi trailing them, nobody cares who was technically right or if a penalty is deserved... it doesn't matter if there was space or not. I am absolutely certain those three would have taken the hit regardless of whether the penalty was justified or not.😁

nimblesurfer17 said:That’s the whole point.. if he can run inches away from Hamilton for a few corners without trying to shove anyone off or wrecking the car, I don't see why everyone else can't do the same...

Ever think that maybe some other drivers just don't have the skill, the composure, or the self-control to pull that off?😁

swifttiger75 said:Michael, seriously, no jokes or irony here—what you just wrote is pure trolling. If you actually believe this stuff and honestly think those arguments you laid out above hold any weight, then maybe you should switch to a less demanding sport. You know, like... darts... or...

@ ---> check out the TBF post for an explanation on this.

I really don't want to go back and forth with you. If you want to have a real discussion based on actual arguments... I'm here. We don't have to agree, but even the late Jacques Villeneuve would be turning in his grave at the sheer amount of trolling in your posts.

Take care!

🙂I don't see what there is to complain about...

Did Ferrari seriously bill Webber $25,000 for a taxi ride plus a $2,500 tip? 😁

I guess it’s just🤣🤣🤣

EDIT:
Either way, this whole weekend was a complete joke 😂
It all boiled down to those grid walks, but for a driver to get absolutely smoked by Martin Brundle is definitely a first 🤣

I'm telling you, these two🤣

And look at Ted acting like he knows everything, claiming there's nothing more to be done😂
Meanwhile, you can clearly see Vettel knows damn well he can do better😁>

stormybadger8 said:So, after today's race, Niki Lauda actually took off his hat and gave Sebastian Vettel a massive nod of respect 🙏🙏🙏
The folks over at Sky Sports are acting all shocked, claiming they’ve never seen Lauda without that hat in their entire lives, which is just hilarious.😲🤣
And get this—he basically said Vettel deserved his fourth title for that performance alone, because he’s never witnessed anyone pull off a drive quite like that one.😳

He also went on to say that those Ferrari fans hanging out under the grandstands don't have a single clue what Formula 1 is actually about and are complete amateurs.🤣
And honestly, it’s pretty funny because everyone in the paddock seems to agree that those people are total clueless nobodies who wouldn't know F1 if it hit them in the face.🤣

That’s the deal.

And all these clowns (🤣) are just proving that you haven't got a clue what you're even typing.

stormybadger8 said:So Niki Lauda actually took off his hat and gave Sebastian Vettel a nod after the race today 🙏🙏🙏
Those guys over at ESPN are acting like they've never seen Lauda without that hat in their entire lives, seriously.😲 🤣
And he even said Vettel deserved his fourth title for that drive alone, because apparently, he’s never seen anyone pull off a race quite like that one: oh

Oh, and he also mentioned that those Ferrari fans hanging out under the grandstands don't have a single clue what Formula 1 actually is—they're just total clueless idiots.🤣
It's hilarious because everyone in the paddock seems to agree that they're just complete amateurs who wouldn't know F1 if it hit them in the face.🤣

stormybadger8 said:So Red Bull Racing really is a dominant car now, huh?😁
On behalf of all the fans, I'd like to give a massive shoutout to darkmarlin16, Pilatus, 4season and the whole crew who spent years praying for a dominant Red Bull. 😍

What kind of nonsense are you even babbling about?

stormybadger8 said:Talking about how epic Fernando Alonso's win at the Singapore Grand Prix was back in 2008 🙄
Are you trolling Ferrari and Alonso fans or are you just some random kid?

You're definitely trolling.

That Renault was a bad car:ro fl:
the car that allowed that hack Nelson Piquet to stand on the podium?
That car:ro fl:

Are you actually being serious right now?

Look, I get it, Fernando Alonso has some absolutely legendary wins under his belt, but trying to use those 2008 races as some kind of ultimate benchmark is honestly just insulting the guy rather than giving him credit :ka va:

If you want to talk about true disrespect, try pulling off a masterclass win against McLaren, Ferrari, and BMW while stuck in a subpar car. That’s what we’re talking about here.

But hey, that kind of logic only exists in TBF's head.

stormybadger8 said:🙂

By the way... Honestly, Fernando Alonso totally deserved to get Mark Webber slapped with that 10-place grid penalty at the Korean Grand Prix. It was pure justice, really..
That's what you call a friend, man. 😍

Man, I’ve been dying to see that footage, seriously—I'm just sitting here wondering which two cars actually almost absolutely leveled them...

stormybadger8 said:Man, I gotta tell ya, those guys are absolutely flying out there right now. Just pure, unadulterated speed. 🙏
So, when I was actually sitting there reading through this and hitting that share button, it said:
....
So, I’m watching the replay and honestly, you just can't make this stuff up—Alonso’s Ferrari was basically just sitting there like a roadblock on the track, and it completely caught everyone off guard. It was such a mess that he forced two drivers right behind him to pull some wild evasive maneuvers just to avoid a massive pileup. Like, how does that even happen at this level? You'd think with all the telemetry and prep, they'd see a stationary car coming, but nope, just pure chaos. It was one of those moments where you're just staring at the screen thinking, "Are you kidding me right now?" Just total madness.
Hang tight, because there’s plenty more where that came from...

😁

Man, the way you’re absolutely obsessed with Fernando Alonso is honestly kind of fascinating to watch.

Jason Campbell70 said:Pilatus after scrolling through some random forum threads:

It’s me, darkmarlin16, usually just hanging around after the TBF posts.
👍

So have fun reading everyone else's stuff 🤣