Singapore GP (Marina Bay Street Circuit) - 09/22/2013

Nathan Fisher24 said:Fernando Alonso is a maestro and arguably the best driver out there, but you guys are seriously overhyping him.
What was actually so legendary about it? Sure, he had a decent launch, and maybe he
gained a tiny fraction of a second at the start, but nothing spectacular happened.
The clearest proof is in the onboard footage from his perspective. He just floors it and stays perfectly straight without making any maneuvers before the first turn. He got lucky because Romain Grosjean, Mark Webber, and Lewis Hamilton were all busy fighting, blocking, and cutting each other off right in front of him, which made his job significantly easier. There’s no denying it was a clean start, but it isn't some miracle worthy of 800 emojis and endless praise...
It would be nice if people on this forum could have a civilized discussion about F1
instead of constantly reading through petty bickering about "dirty driving," "whining," "cheating," or who the "true champions" are.
I'm not an Alonso fan, but I find it easy to admit he's the best. Why can't
everyone else look at race situations realistically, or at least try to? If Vettel was "2 seconds faster per lap" today, who's to say that's entirely down to the car? Isn't it theoretically possible the car provided 1.8 seconds, and Vettel himself clawed back that extra 0.2? 🤷

That was just one start in this race, but you clearly aren't watching the other races where he consistently slices through the field one by one. The only person he might not overtake is Adrian Newey.

graniteharbor502 said:Just watch how Mark Webber performs in that exact same car, and you'll realize how brilliant Sebastian Vettel actually is. He's in a league of his own. Honestly, don't pay much attention to Alonso's fan club. When he can't match Vettel on the track, all they have left to do is insult the German. Meanwhile, he just keeps getting better.

Yeah, because they definitely drive identical cars. 🙂

jadeseal7 said:It’s impossible to say that if the car fails, it wasn't a fluke, especially since Kimi and Fernando always squeeze out everything they can.

Sure, I guess those four world titles speak for themselves. Right? ☕

Inace Alosno and Kimi don't even have as many titles combined as Vettel. And we all know how Fernando got his versus how Kimi got his. This kind of nonsense could be used against any world champion. 🙂

graniteharbor502 said:If you just watch what Mark Webber manages to do in that exact same car, it becomes crystal clear just how brilliant Sebastian Vettel really is. He’s in a league of his own—honestly. I wouldn't pay much mind to the Alonso fans; when he can't find any way to challenge Vettel on the track, all they have left to do is try to tear the German down. Meanwhile, he just keeps getting better and better.

It's the same logic as saying Felipe Massa's car is identical to the maestro's 🤣🤣

David Anderson72 said:Yeah, their cars are basically identical. 🙂

Of course they "don't," just like how Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa "don't." 😵

Edward Howard2 said:The crowd was booing the deception, but even the maestro couldn't help cracking a little smile right then 😁

Fernando,............. you're hungry for a title,...... just get back into that 2015 McLaren seat, and show everyone what really happened back in F1 2007!

placidridge2 said:Oh, absolutely—I mean, having four world titles under your belt pretty much settles the debate, right? ☕

Look, Inace Alosno and Kimi combined don't even have as many titles as Vettel. And let’s be honest—we all know the different ways Alonso earned his versus how Kimi secured his. This kind of silly argument could honestly be used against any world champion out there. 🙂

How did Kimi get his? I'd say he did it more honorably than Vettel, for sure. It was a grueling fight that went right down to the final race. I'm guessing you didn't even tune in for F1 2007.

David Anderson72 said:Yeah, their cars look absolutely identical to me. 🙂

But they really don't; I mean, Sebastian Vettel is in that Spec car, while Mark Webber BMX is stuck with whatever he's got...
😂

fadedwalker18 said:Fernando, enough with the headlines... just get back into that McLaren seat from 2015 and show everyone what really happened back in F1 2007!

Exactly. Go back to where you started. 🤣

Tyler Bennett5 said:I already noted how well he handled today's race.

My point was simply that Sebastian Vettel isn't the only one capable of pulling this off.
For about half the season, Jenson Button had the fastest car on the grid, and he was just as convincing behind the wheel.
The year before Button, during those races where Ferrari operated flawlessly, Felipe Massa was just as impressive.

Though, I don't recall those mediocre drivers ever having such a dominant car under them.

David Anderson72 said:Adrian is basically the F1 GOAT🙏

👍

huge props to the legend Newey 🙏
you've gotta give credit where it's due and respect a true champion 🙏

I'll probably be adding 2013 to my signature pretty soon too... 🙏

I’m honestly counting down the days until next season. My only dilemma is deciding who to root for—the Maestro or Lewis. They’re both absolute legends in my book, and I can't pick a side.
Just cheer for both and let the better driver take the win.

jadeseal7 said:How did Kimi actually get there? He was definitely more solid than Sebastian Vettel. It was a fight right until the final race. I'm guessing you didn't even watch NASCAR 2007.

Right, he showed up in a car gifted to him by Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn. After that, it was pretty much a whole lot of nothing. ☕

I honestly didn't start rooting for Sebastian Vettel's wins until I realized how much it absolutely kills the obrvanfanboy types 😍
...

My bad, he jumped ship to rally right after that. 🤣

placidridge2 said:Well, he did land in a car basically handed to him by Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn—after that, it was pretty much a whole lot of nothing. ☕

🤣🤣 Honestly, Kimi was my absolute king—he was sitting in third place heading into the 2007 NASCAR season with nothing more than a theoretical shot at glory, but then he went out there and totally outplayed both Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa on the track to snatch the title right from under them.

placidridge2 said:Oh sure, because those four world titles say everything we need to know, right? ☕

Fernando Alonso and Kimi Räikkönen combined don't even have as many titles as Sebastian Vettel. And let’s be honest about how Alonso earned his versus how Kimi earned his. This kind of mindless chatter could be aimed at any world champion. 🙂

How so?
Every single title held by Alonso and Kimi is worth more than all of Vettel's combined.

ruggedfox28 said:I only started finding joy in Sebastian Vettel's victories because I find such immense satisfaction in watching—and reading about—how much they irritate those die-hard Alonso fanatics.😍

Exactly! Have you happened to notice how brilliantly Fernando Alonso found himself stuck right behind Sebastian Vettel?
😂

I’m honestly floored by how Mark Webber’s car just gave up on him while Sebastian Vettel didn't face any issues at all. Is this really the first time we've seen such a massive discrepancy between them? 😁

jadeseal7 said:🤣🤣 Kimi was my king. He was sitting in 3rd place heading into Brazil 2007 with basically zero chance, then he just went out there, fooled both Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez on track, and snatched the title.

True, but he did it in a dominant car. The championship wasn't won solely on pure driving skill, much like his time at McLaren.

The number of titles shows he wasn't some once-in-a-generation talent. Just an average guy. ☕