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Is camping in the left lane of a two-way residential street legal?

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Participants neondriver5Jeremy Bishop35fadedlynx6gentlemoose57Nicholas NguyenGerald Ruiz2William Morales8Jesse Rodriguez4hollowtrucker77Casey Hernandez63Steven Young23silverfox91nimblebison8goldenpilot2Timothy Palmer28Timothy Jones4granitebadger7George Hayes5Nicholas KingBradley Wright47
neondriver5 neondriver5 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I don't have an issue with tailgating; I’m not the type to ride someone's bumper just for the hell of it. My real problem is dealing with tourists on the interstate who seem to think the left lane is a scenic lookout. They treat the passing lane like they're cruising through a National Park, just drifting along while they stare at the sights. Naturally, everyone else ends up swerving into the right lane to get around them. If you notice the entire flow of traffic bypassing you on the right, something is clearly broken, isn't it?
Most of the time, it's those out-of-state plates. I get that a two-lane highway might feel like a vast expanse to some people, but come on, let's use some common sense here.
Jeremy Bishop35 Jeremy Bishop35 Member
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#2 ·
In my opinion, driving in the left lane through a city isn't quite the same thing as cruising in the left lane on the interstate...
fadedlynx6 fadedlynx6 Member
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#3 ·
Jeremy Bishop35 said:Driving in the left lane downtown isn't exactly the same thing as being in the left lane on the interstate, at least not in my book...

Of course it isn't, but it really should come down to basic civic etiquette. For instance, when I was visiting Vienna, people actually used the escalators correctly—standing on the right so those in a rush could pass on the left. You just don't see that kind of discipline here. It all boils down to individual respect for the rules of the road.

Personally, it would feel incredibly awkward driving in the left lane while everyone else passes me on the right.🤷
Jeremy Bishop35 Jeremy Bishop35 Member
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#4 ·
Sure, but you also have people in the left lane attempting left turns at practically every single intersection—it’s the exact same issue as those in the right lane trying to turn right. That's why I'm making my point... even if I don't personally drive like that just to be a nuisance, it's certainly not a black-and-white situation.
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
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#5 ·
fadedlynx6 said:Of course not, but honestly, it really ought to come down to basic etiquette—you know, just common courtesy on the road. For instance, back when I was visiting Vienna, people on the escalators actually understood the drill: if you're standing still, you stick to the right side so the folks in a rush can breeze past on the left. It’s just how things work there! But here? You can barely find someone following that kind of unspoken rule. At the end of the day, it's all about individual discipline and respect for others.

Personally, I’d feel incredibly awkward driving in the left lane while everyone else is zooming past me on my right.🤷

Well, that depends entirely on where you are.

If you're out on a major highway like the I-95, there is absolutely no way I’m getting nudged out of the left lane just because someone wants to turn left. There's the right lane, and then there's *another* right lane.
Nicholas Nguyen Nicholas Nguyen Active Member
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#6 ·
Multi-lane city streets are designed to handle volume, not to function like an interstate where you cruise in the right lane and overtake in the left. A lot of drivers treat them like they’re on the I-95, clogging up the right lane while leaving the left wide open. Then, predictably, people lose their minds if someone in the left lane isn't driving faster than they are in the right.
Gerald Ruiz2 Gerald Ruiz2 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Nicholas Nguyen said:Multi-lane city streets are designed for high volume, not like an interstate where you cruise in the right lane and pass on the left. A lot of people treat them like highways and crowd the right lane while leaving the left one wide open—or they lose their minds if someone in the left lane is going even slightly slower than they are in the right.

Exactly!👍
William Morales8 William Morales8 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Since we’re already on the subject of people who seem convinced that two-lane city streets function like interstate highways, I actually have a little story of my own
I was driving the stretch between San Diego and Chula Vista around 4:00 PM, where traffic flows in two lanes. I was cruising along in the left lane at about 70 or 80 mph—even though the limit is 70—and there was a bit of a bottleneck ahead. While the right lane was backed up, I noticed a guy in a Skoda tailgating me so closely I could practically touch his trunk, flashing his high beams like he wanted me to just vanish. Eventually, I found a gap, merged into the right lane to get out of his way, but realized he couldn't make any headway either. So, I just merged back into the left lane, and since he wouldn't budge, I started flashing my lights and tapping my horn at him. By the time I finally overtook him as I pulled into Chula Vista, my Mercedes gifted him a massive cloud of black smoke... apparently, it was an old diesel model. Don't get me wrong, when I'm on a proper interstate or a freeway, I’ll always move over to the right once I've completed a pass, but on roads like this, there’s just no chance; the left lane carries the exact same weight and purpose as the right one.
Jesse Rodriguez4 Jesse Rodriguez4 Newcomer
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#9 ·
I suppose I don't quite grasp why some people find it so difficult to move out of the left lane if they aren't planning on turning anytime soon... though, I suppose, that assumes there isn't heavy traffic, of course.
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Actually, William Morales8 just reminded me of something; I was out on the interstate recently, and the traffic was mostly spread across two lanes, with me positioned in the very last spot of the left lane. It was a perfectly straight stretch of road. Suddenly, this guy in a Volvo convertible pulls up behind me and starts flashing his high beams, clearly signaling for me to move over. So, I did move to the right, but then I ended up pulling back in behind him once he got stuck. I was just about to flash my lights back at him to make a point, when the fellow actually raises his hand to apologize—it seems he hadn't realized there were other cars ahead of me 😁
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#10 ·
So, where have you been hiding all this time?
😉
Look, there’s either space on the road or there isn’t, and if there’s room, there’s enough for both you and me, plain and simple.
I’m really just trying to go about my business without causing a scene, but I refuse to play along with these wannabe street racers and their delusional need for everyone else to clear the lane just because they think they own the asphalt.
Honestly, someone should just buy his old man a private track so he can go tear it up there and leave the rest of us alone.
Jesse Rodriguez4 Jesse Rodriguez4 Newcomer
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#11 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:so, based on that, where exactly were you trying to go?
😉

I suppose I don't quite understand the question? I guess my specific situation was when there was a line of traffic stretching across both lanes. One lane was moving at maybe 50 miles mph. Since the guy was already flashing his lights, I sort of squeezed into the right lane for just a second and then pulled back in behind him, mostly because the left lane seemed to be moving a bit faster. I really don't see any issue with 🤷

hollowtrucker77 said:I try my best not to cause any congestion, but I certainly won't cater to these wannabe racers and their desperate need for everyone to just get out of their way.
maybe his dad should just buy him a racetrack so he can speed around however he wants.

What I am talking about are those instances where you have one car here in the right lane and some slowpoke over in the left... and then someone fast comes along, but those two ahead of you are driving parallel to each other while the road ahead is completely empty. In those kinds of scenarios, I feel like you have to be an idiot if you don't move over.

I don't believe there is a specific written rule covering every nuance, and I think everything really just depends on the individual situation, which is why I find comments like "I never move over" or "you must always move over" to be somewhat silly. Of course, it isn't always necessary, but realistically, there are moments where you end up looking like a fool if you strictly follow that "I have every right to stay in the left lane and I couldn't care less about anyone else" philosophy.
Casey Hernandez63 Casey Hernandez63 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Article 48.

2) On any multi-lane road within a residential area where there are at least two marked lanes heading in the same direction, you’re actually allowed to use a lane that isn't the far right one—as long as you aren't being a nuisance and blocking the cars behind you.


The rules even explicitly say you need to move over.
If anyone actually cares about the nitty-gritty details, just head over to the driving school thread, starting on page 240.

Basically, hogging the left lane and forcing everyone into a single file line? That’s an offense. Period. It doesn't matter how fast you're going, whether you're under the limit or speeding... it's still wrong.
Steven Young23 Steven Young23 Member
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#13 ·
Casey Hernandez63 said:Article 48.

On any multi-lane highway where there are at least two marked lanes traveling in the same direction, a driver isn't strictly tethered to the rightmost lane. You are permitted to utilize a center lane, provided you aren't obstructing the flow of traffic behind you. It’s a matter of basic efficiency—staying out of the way of those traveling faster while maintaining a steady pace.


It is explicitly stated that this needs to be removed.
If anyone actually cares about the granular details regarding driving schools, you can find them in this thread starting from page 240.

Driving in the left lane just to create a bottleneck is a violation of traffic etiquette, plain and simple. It doesn't matter how fast you're actually going—whether you're strictly adhering to the speed limit, cruising slightly above it, or lagging behind—if you're camping in the passing lane and forcing everyone else into a single-file line, you're doing it wrong.

Sure, and then you’ll have a bunch of guys in blue uniforms hopping into their Ford Explorers on a Friday afternoon, flicking on the sirens, and cruising down I-95 at a steady 50 mph. There would be a massive traffic jam stretching all the way back to Washington, D.C.—or maybe even as far as Boise—all because they thought a little tactical slowdown was the best way to ease congestion. 🙂And you, my friend, just pay up and suck it up.
Until our blue-blooded officials finally get their act together and figure out how to synchronize helicopter units with ground forces at the Pentagon, we’re going to keep seeing these exact scenarios play out. It’s inefficient. If they actually coordinated properly, they could systematically address these outliers one by one and finally bring everyone back into formation.
William Morales8 William Morales8 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Casey Hernandez63 said:Article 48.

When you find yourself driving on a multi-lane road where there are at least two marked lanes heading in the same direction, the rules are actually fairly straightforward. You aren't strictly tethered to the lane directly adjacent to the right shoulder; you're permitted to use any available lane, provided that your movement doesn't end up obstructing or inconveniencing the drivers traveling behind you.


It was explicitly stated that it needs to be removed.
If anyone actually feels like wading through the granular details regarding driving schools, you can find everything laid out starting from page 240 onwards.

Driving in the left lane just to hog the road is technically a violation. It doesn't actually matter how fast you're moving—whether you're strictly following the speed limit, cruising slightly above it, or lagging behind—it’s still improper lane usage.

Sure, but if that left lane at the next light, roundabout, or intersection forces you to turn left, then based on what I’ve gathered from your logic, I’d essentially have to yield to every idiot on the road just to merge into the left lane right before the junction. That seems like a recipe for disaster—not only would I be constantly getting in the way of the people behind me, but I’d also be creating a massive safety hazard for everyone driving alongside me.
I’ve been sitting here wondering if I actually committed a traffic violation or if I just got caught in a ridiculous situation. So, picture this: I’m driving my van on an interstate stretch outside of Boise—it’s one of those divided highways where you have two lanes going uphill and one lane coming down. I’m cruising at about 55 mph in the right lane, carrying a pretty heavy load. Because of the incline and the weight, I can't exactly floor it; if I were to tap the brakes to let someone pass, my speed would plummet to 40 mph, and I'd be stuck crawling like that for the next four miles because there's just no way to regain momentum on such a steep grade. Anyway, out of nowhere, a new Ford Fiesta decides it’s in a massive hurry and attempts to overtake me from the left. Since I can't slow down without losing all my momentum, I just kept my foot planted. We ended up driving parallel to each other for what felt like a good mile while the driver desperately tried to find a gap to squeeze ahead of me. Eventually, they managed to cut in front of me into the right lane. But instead of just settling back into a normal following distance, the Fiesta stayed right alongside me, refusing to slow down and get behind my bumper. It only really settled down once I flicked on my left blinker, dropped the van into third gear, and began a controlled lane change to move around them. Honestly, if a state trooper had pulled up right then, I feel like I would’ve been the one getting the ticket. Between the aggressive lane change and the technicality of appearing to pass someone on the right, it would have looked terrible. It’s one of those moments where you're just trying to manage physics and a stubborn driver at the same time, hoping nobody is watching too closely.
Honestly, when you’re driving on roads like these, if you happen to run into an idiot, you’re pretty much stuck. No matter how you look at it, there's no winning; they either refuse to move out of the slow lane, or the laws won't let you pass them on the right. It’s just one of those frustrating situations where you're basically held hostage by someone else's incompetence.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#15 ·
Jesse Rodriguez4 said:I don't even get the question. My situation happened when there was a line of cars in both lanes. One lane was moving at maybe 50 miles mph. Since this guy was already flashing his lights at me, I just zipped into the right lane for a second and then pulled back in behind him, because the left lane was actually moving a bit faster. I honestly don't see the issue 🤷

Look, I’m talking about those specific scenarios where you’ve got one car idling in the right lane and some slowpoke crawling along in the left, and then someone fast comes up behind them while the road ahead is wide open. In those moments, you basically have to be an idiot if you don't move over.

There isn't some holy rulebook written in stone here; everything just depends on the context of what's happening on the road, which is why all these comments about "never moving over" versus "always moving over" strike me as pretty ridiculous. Of course, it's not always, but realistically, there are times when you just look like a complete jerk if you stick to that "I have every right to hog the left lane and I couldn't care less about anyone else" philosophy.

Yeah, there was a line of traffic in both lanes, and that jerk could have been slapped with a ticket immediately if he hadn't moved over and proven how obvious the situation was.
🙂
When I say I don't obstruct traffic, what I mean is that I generally stay in the right lane and drive at a sensible speed.
If I happen to be in the left lane, I have my reasons, and it doesn't occur to me to pull over for someone who just wants to cruise without any interruptions (no kidding, unlike everyone else here).
Maybe some people should just chill out, ignore whoever they feel like ignoring, and actually wait and adjust their driving to the actual conditions on the road, just like every other sane person does.
If they're running late—well, they should have left earlier, and that is strictly their own damn problem.
And please, don't come at me with those "but there's a choking baby" or "there's a pregnant woman in labor" or "that dog hasn't eaten" excuses—I really don't give a damn.
fadedlynx6 fadedlynx6 Member
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#16 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Depends on the road.

On the I-95, there’s no way I’m letting someone squeeze past me on the left when I need to turn... There's the right lane, and then another right lane.

That’s fine, whatever. I wasn't being literal... even with my semi, I have to take the left lane to make a turn, but I adjust a few hundred yards ahead of time.

Mostly I'm thinking about that stretch near the Walmart heading toward the beltway, and vice versa... no traffic lights there, just people cruising at 50 mph in the left lane while everyone else swerves around them on the right.

Driving culture in this country is just broken.
silverfox91 silverfox91 Member
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#17 ·
Taylor Swift could sing battle hymns until the end of time for all I care, but she can also write about how someone needs to get out of the way if they’re cruising at the speed limit—as if anyone actually believes that. It's total nonsense. He even wrote that a truck driver going exactly the speed limit should pull over just because three cars ended up behind him. 😂 Now some guy wants to fly past everyone at breakneck speeds, and suddenly we all have to bow down to him. 😂
nimblebison8 nimblebison8 Newcomer
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#18 ·
It all boils down to driver mentality and culture, plain and simple.
If people just had a little more patience and tolerance, half these issues would vanish.

Has anyone ever driven through New York City? They don't just cut you off 5% of the time there—it’s constant. It’s survival of the fittest on those streets. If you’re an outsider, you’re basically target practice. It took me two hours just to clear the city limits. We’re back to square one: it’s a culture and mindset problem.
fadedlynx6 fadedlynx6 Member
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#19 ·
I've driven across France from coast to coast... it's not just that might makes right there, it's that laws basically don't exist...🤷

It’s dangerous for a local to stay in the right lane; people just merge into you without a second thought. They don't care one bit. You either slam on the brakes or get hit. If you can, just stick to the middle lane.

But they're just used to it, and that's how they operate. Every country has its own driving mentality.
nimblebison8 nimblebison8 Newcomer
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#20 ·
There are plenty of countries like this. You can sit here all day arguing about who holds the edge, who’s right, or whatever else, but none of it matters if the cultural density is basically zero. That's just how the math works.

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