Printer issues?

Paul Ortiz49 said:Hey guys! I'm running into a headache with my HP F2180... It was working totally fine, but then out of nowhere, it starts yelling at me about an incompatible cartridge error. I know for a fact the ink isn't empty—they're basically brand new. My software is fully updated too, so I'm pretty lost. Everything worked perfectly until this moment, so what gives??

Are we talking cheap third-party ones or legit brand new ones?

The new replacements seem okay to me

Paul Ortiz49 said:The new third-party ones look okay to me

Honestly, new knockoffs or old refilled cartridges... it's all the same thing.
== You're still dealing with worn-out printheads.

And if the manufacturer decides to load it with cheap, low-quality ink, those printheads are toast.

Basically, there's no way out.

rustysurfer79 said:New third-party cartridges or old refurbished ones—it's all the same thing.
== You're still dealing with worn-out printheads.

And if the manufacturer decides to load it with cheap, low-quality ink, those printheads are toast.

Basically, you're screwed.

Ugh, please.🙂
I literally just bought a full set of color and black ink—about $77... any recommendations for a new printer? I'm thinking about switching to a laser, maybe something in the $75 range??

Paul Ortiz49 said:ugh, man...🙂
I just went out and bought both color and black ink, spent about $77... any recommendations for a new printer? I'm thinking maybe switching to a laser, maybe around $80 bucks??

Learn this once and for all

NOBODY SELLS NEW PRINTERS WITHOUT AN AGENDA.

And what’s their agenda?
Basically, they want to make as much money as possible.

So, if you got burned by a "new" printer, don't go thinking the manufacturer suddenly grew a heart.

Bottom line: If you want cheap printing, you have to pick a model the manufacturer has basically given up on, simply because there's no profit left in it. Or, read between the lines. It's just not a cash cow for them anymore. On the flip side, if you actually *want* to be a cash cow, go ahead and buy the latest model.

Then again, there's the refill option, which works more or less with newer devices too—whether through a service or doing it yourself. But honestly, it varies wildly depending on the specific model.

For those wanting a real suggestion: I had an HP DeskJet 1050 in for testing. Honestly, it's a great little minimalist setup for that kind of money. Prints fast and clean, and we managed to refill the exact same cartridge three times already. Total bargain. The catch? Once one cartridge dies, you usually toss the whole set because buying replacements isn't worth it.

Just for comparison, look at a similar new Canon in that same price range. Refilling doesn't work nearly as well. Why? Because the manufacturer puts some kind of additive in their black ink that basically cements the nozzles shut.

If you go with Epson, you should grab the Colibri refillable cartridges.

That's probably your smartest move. Getting an Epson with refillable cartridges is the best way to go if you print a decent amount. But even with HP or Epson, you’ll still be refilling cartridges constantly—like, 3.5 to 5 ml per color. That’s only about 100 pages.

And if HP decides tomorrow to start putting that same gunk in their new cartridges—and don't think for a second they haven't already tested it—you're right back in the mud with a brand new model. Don't assume they haven't already figured out how to screw us over with the newest tech!

Hey there,
I've spent years messing around with inkjets, specifically from HP—which I’ve officially given up on—
including my old Canon Pixma iP4200 that worked fine until it finally died, and it just wasn't worth fixing,
so I decided to move on to a laser printer this time, strictly black and white.

Can anyone recommend a solid B&W laser printer? I need something with good page yields and duplex printing
plus I want to make sure the replacement toner isn't outrageously expensive.
My budget is around $433$100.
I am not looking for an all-in-one device.

Thanks.

rustysurfer79 said:Remember this once and for all

NOBODY SELLS NEW PRINTERS WITHOUT AN AGENDA

And what exactly is their agenda?
Well, obviously—to make as much money as possible.

So, if you feel burned by a "new" printer, don't go thinking the manufacturer suddenly developed a conscience.

The bottom line: If you want cheap printing, you have to pick a printer that the manufacturer has basically abandoned—for the simple reason that they no longer see any profit in it. Or just learn to read between the lines. It’s not a cash cow for them anymore. On the other hand, if you *want* to be a walking ATM, go right ahead and buy the latest flagship model.

Then again, there's the whole refill option, which works more or less successfully even with newer devices. Whether it's through a service or DIY refilling. But again, that depends on a ton of variables and varies wildly from model to model.

For those looking for a concrete suggestion: I had an HP DeskJet 1050 in for testing recently. In principle, it's a great, minimalist little machine for the price. Prints fast and well, and we managed to refill the exact same cartridge with the exact same ink three times already. So, overall, it's a steal. However—and here's the catch—if one cartridge dies, you toss the whole setup because buying a replacement just isn't worth it.

Just for comparison, look at a similar recent Canon in the same price bracket. Refilling barely works there. Why? Because the manufacturer put some kind of additive in their black ink that essentially cements the nozzles shut.

As for Epson, you really need to go with Colibri continuous ink cartridges.

If you want my honest opinion on the smartest move? Get an Epson paired with those continuous cartridges. That gives you the least amount of headache if you print somewhat frequently. But even with HP or Epson, you'll be refilling cartridges like you're trying to win a race—about 3.5 to 5 ml per color. And that only gets you roughly 100 pages.

And if HP decides tomorrow to add that same gunk to their current cartridges—and don't think for a second they haven't already tested it—you'll find yourself right back in the same mess with a brand-new model. Don't assume anyone does this stuff without testing it first. They definitely have!

Can I get some advice? What do you think about these two models? I'm torn between getting this laser or going with inkjet...

Paul Ortiz49 said:Can I get some advice? What do you guys think about these two models? I'm torn between going with the laser or the inkjet...

1. You can grab those Colibri refillable cartridges for it. The printer runs fine without any chips. But honestly, we've had two of these come into the shop using origig inks where the black ink was so clogged up you might as well just toss the whole thing.

2. A buddy of mine at the repair shop was laughing today. Some guy—a lawyer, apparently—picked up the second HP LaserJet 1300 in line. He thought he was getting a deal because the starter toner only had 30g. A full-sized replacement with 55g would cost him about $133. So for roughly $367, he’d basically be getting 85g total. Meanwhile, with this HP LaserJet 1300, for the exact same money, he gets about 400g of toner. That's 4 or 5 times more. Like, 4-5x more pages. Honestly, it's hilarious watching people with engineering degrees make stuff like that.

Bottom line, pick whichever one you want.

rustysurfer79 said:You can grab those Colibri refillable cartridges for it—they work perfectly fine without any chips. But honestly? We’ve got two units sitting here at the shop right now using original ink, and the black toner is so completely baked onto the components that they're basically junk. You might as well just toss them in the bin.

So, I was at the service shop today and one of my colleagues actually had the nerve to laugh in my face. He picked up an HP LaserJet 1300—the second one in our lineup—which is being prepped for some lawyer client. He starts joking that if he bought the first unit, he’d get a starter toner with maybe 30 grams of powder, whereas buying a brand-new one would mean paying around... $133So, basically, we're looking at roughly... $367 He ended up with an 85g toner cartridge. Meanwhile, someone else using an HP LaserJet 1300 paid the exact same amount of money and walked away with about 400g of toner. That’s four or five times more product—which basically means four to five times the number of prints. Honestly, when you look at the math like that, you can't exactly argue with two electrical engineers.

Believe whatever you want.

Do you have a link for that model? I just want to get a ballpark idea of the price and see where I can actually pick one up.🤷

Paul Ortiz49 said:Do you have a link for that model? Just want to get a rough idea of the price and see where I can pick one up.🤷

Brother

Second row.

I was digging through some old files and found this link to an inventory list for printer cartridges. It’s basically just a massive rundown of all the different ink tanks and toner models available. If you're looking for specific supplies, it might be worth a look, though it's pretty straightforward stuff.

My Canon Pixma 210 is leaving horizontal lines all over my prints. What's the deal with that, and can I actually fix it? I tried running the "cleaning" cycle in the software, which worked for exactly one day before the same problem came right back.

rapidotter11 said:I've got a Canon Pixma 210 inkjet, and I'm getting these horizontal lines whenever I print. What's causing this and can I actually fix it? I tried running the "cleaning" cycle in the software, and it worked perfectly for one day, but now it's back to being broken.

Look, nobody's gonna help you if you won't admit what kind of junk you're feeding your dairy cows.

Everything seems fine until someone proves you were feeding them contaminated garbage. Then suddenly you're playing the victim and looking for a government bailout to get you out of the hole.

It's the exact same thing here in America—same mindset, just different packaging.

Hey rustysurfer79 and everyone else, I could really use some help here. I need an A3 inkjet printer right away for printing text and some drawings. I'm torn between two models: the HP OfficeJet Pro K8600 (around $1050) and the HP OfficeJet 7110 Wide (about $467). Just a heads up before anyone suggests anything—the K8600 isn't being made anymore and doesn't have wireless, while this cheaper one does. I can't really wait around for HP to release a more serious A3 printer, though who knows if they even will, especially since this little thing meant for $467 is rated for 12,000 pages a month... which used to be what the HP Businessjet 2800 was for $1400. I guess I'm just looking for some advice because I'm definitely no expert and I'm feeling a bit lost on what to do. Thanks, everyone.

quietowl39 said:Hey, I'm asking rustysurfer79 and anyone else who knows their stuff to please help me out. I need an A3 inkjet printer ASAP. It's gotta handle both text and technical drawings. I'm currently torn between two models: the HP OfficeJet Pro K8600 (around... $1050I've got an HP OfficeJet 7110 Wide lying around (roughly... $467Just a heads-up before you take any advice: keep in mind that the K8600 isn't even in production anymore, and it lacks wireless capabilities—unlike this cheaper model. Honestly, I can't sit around waiting for HP to finally drop a serious A3 printer. Who knows if they even will, considering how much of a toy this current one feels like. $467 It's been bumped down to the $12,000 monthly tier. Before this change, the HP Businessjet 2800 was sitting right there in that bracket. $1400Alright, I'm looking for some advice here. I'm definitely no expert—I only have a basic idea of how this stuff works—so I’m feeling pretty stuck on what to do next. Any help from you guys would be huge. Thanks, everyone.

It really just boils down to whether you actually need color or not, and how much ink you think you're gonna burn through over the next year.

If I were you, I'd go with the K8600 + Long for color.

But honestly, I think the business 2800 is the tougher machine.
You've got it. $1000 With that tax settled and using a CISS, the CP 1700 is basically a tank for those guys.

If you're just looking to knock out some black and white prints for schematics, honestly, grabbing an old HP DeskJet 1220 or a Canon BJC 4650 is probably your best bet for keeping costs down.
== $333 + Sales Tax

Why?

It's all about the capacity.

1 equals 100 ml.
2. == 100 ml
3. == 40 ml

Check out this post. We're talking about A3 printers that hold between 10-20 ml of black ink.

Or this one?

Why the CP 1700 and 2800 are absolute legends.

That’s exactly why people still hang around this platform—to talk about stuff like the HP DesignJet 560 ==. It's still a staple. $3000

Same old story, same old CISS, same old ink for the CISS.

rustysurfer79 said:You won't even admit what kind of junk you're feeding your dairy cows if someone actually tries to help you.

It’s all fine and dandy until someone proves you’ve been feeding them contaminated scraps. Then suddenly you’re playing the victim and looking for a government bailout to save your skin.

It’s the exact same thing here in the States; just different packaging, same mentality.

I fed my printer original ink, so I'm pretty sure that wasn't the issue.

rapidotter11 said:I used genuine ink, so I'm pretty sure that isn't the issue here.

Look, you've basically got two ways this plays out.

The glass half-full version and the "everything sucks" version.

The optimistic take? Maybe some original ink just dried up in the cartridge because it sat too long. Or maybe you were pushing it too hard and pulled air through the nozzles, sucking up paper dust along with it, which then clumped up and clogged things.

Or, the pessimistic version...

For those same reasons, the printhead might have burnt out or overheated. If the heaters are shot, they can't build enough pressure to push the ink out. Basically, no ink flow, no cooling for the heads. It's a mess.

If you're lucky, you might be able to save it using some nozzle cleaning kits and specialized cleaning fluid.

But if you're unlucky, you might just need a trash can.

You can try searching online for "inkjet cleaning tools."

Or check out
>> Refill tools

I'm asking rustysurfer79 and anyone else who knows their stuff for some help here. I have a
Canon Pixma iP4500, but it's completely dead. An electrician looked at it and thinks both the power supply and the motherboard are shot. When I try to turn it on, the power light just flashes a few times, you hear the print heads starting to clean themselves, and then it just shuts off. If I wait a bit and try again, the exact same thing happens. I really want to fix it because I handle a lot of document printing and CD/DVD media. Is it actually worth repairing this? Also, could I install one of those refillable ink systems from rustysurfer79 with extra colors? So far, I've only ever used original inks. They're pretty pricey, but the quality was always great, so it felt worth it to me.

Thanks

Ryan Thompson69 said:I’m asking rustysurfer79 and anyone else who can help out here. I have a
Canon Pixma iP4500, but it just died on me. An electrician checked it and said it looks like both the power supply and the motherboard are fried. (The symptoms: when I turn it on, the power light flashes a couple of times, you hear the heads starting to clean, and then it just shuts itself off. When I try again after a while, it does the exact same thing.) I really want to fix it because I print a ton of documents and CDs/DVDs for work, so I’m wondering if it's even worth repairing. Also, would it make sense to install one of those third-party ink systems, like the ones rustysurfer79 mentioned? Up until now, I've only used original inks—they're pretty pricey, but honestly, the quality was always great, so I was happy with them.

Thanks

Tapatalk 2 sorry Pall, but last year was basically the year the power supplies on these Canon IP 4500 units just gave up the ghost en masse. Yours is clearly part of that same bad batch.

I've personally seen at least 10 of these Canon IP 4500s go down like this. Manufacturers know once you're satisfied, you'll probably just buy a new Canon. Or rather, you definitely wouldn't be looking for a new one if this IP 4500 were still running smoothly.

Basically, they made sure they got their money from you before they had to resort to extreme measures.

Get what I mean?

Don't sweat it too much; that's pretty much how it goes with all Low cost printers.

rustysurfer79 said:Don't sweat it. That's pretty much standard for all Budget devices.

It's a bummer 😳
Now I'm stuck wondering what to get.
To be honest, I mostly print black and white. I rarely use color unless I'm printing a CD/DVD label or maybe a few photos—maybe 4 or 5 pictures a year.
I'm not sure if I should grab a slightly better laser printer with higher toner capacity or
just stick with something similar to what I had before 😕😕
The real question is which B&W laser to pick, maybe Apple, Dell, and so on. 😕😕😕
I haven't really dealt with lasers much, and buying a color laser might not even be worth the money. 😕
I'd also consider an older but reliable model like the ones found on the Adriatic site.
Basically, I'm not looking for something shiny and brand new from a big-box store. I just want something high quality that allows me to refill the toner for plenty of A4 prints.

A4

Ryan Thompson69 said:It's a bummer 😳
Now I'm totally stuck on what to pick
To be honest, I mostly print black and white. I barely touch color unless I'm printing a CD/DVD or maybe a photo once in a blue moon (like 4 or 5 times a year).
I'm torn between grabbing a slightly better laser with a higher capacity toner or
just getting something similar to what I've been using until now 😕😕
The big question is which B/W laser to go with—maybe an Apple or a Dell? 😕 😕 😕
I don't really have much experience with lasers, and honestly, buying a color laser might just be a waste of money, right?? 😕
I'd even consider something older but reliable, like what you see over at rustysurfer79
Basically, I'm not looking for some shiny new thing straight out of a retail box. I want something solid that lets me refill the toner for plenty of A4 prints.

A4

If you're going used, the smartest move is to grab a laser that takes HP 12 toners.

Unfortunately, I only had a few of those in stock, and there's no guarantee they'll be a steady part of our inventory.

Your best bet is to hunt for one of those lasers in the general listings.
Around here, you'll probably find one bundled with a full toner for about $167 but if you check wholesale, I saw plenty of those generic replacement toners (quality is a gamble) going for around $17 plus tax.

As for the Samsung stuff (which is basically the same as the Xerox), check out this link.

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So I don't have to haul all this junk to the local dump, maybe someone can find
something they actually want... the deal is, I'll come pick it up and take everything
all at once...

If nobody reaches out by the end of the week, I'm just taking it to the recycling center.

- Samsung ML-1520 (91,260 pages)
- Xerox Phaser 3117 (26,327 pages)
- HP LaserJet P2015 (206,741 pages)
- HP LaserJet 1200 (263,616 pages)

All of them have somewhat "dirty" print quality—but then again, none of them
are using original toners; they're all running on Print-rite ones...

Location: Suburban area, New York City

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