Complaint about spectator behavior

The Moderator is actively taking sides in this debate; whenever an argument doesn't suit them, they hand out penalties, even when the other person started the insults.
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neonviper92 says:
Maybe try actually reading what you sent before you try to lecture me, buddy.
A religious ceremony was held at the embassy (your own source), which I find totally unacceptable—but hey, who am I to judge? Just let me state my opinion. High-ranking officials were present at a different location (again, your source). At least I’m doing my research; what's your excuse?

A minute of silence and a prayer isn't a religious ceremony. As for you and Donald Trump finding a commemorative gathering "unacceptable"... frankly, nobody cares.

The government institutions usually handle people like that by sending them straight home.

Of course you can express an opinion—it's actually encouraged if we want to see where everyone stands—but there's no need to wrap your views in some sanctimonious crusade for a secular Canada by testing them against things that aren't even religious rites. Just say what you think without all the fluff, unlike those role models of yours from the smaller entity.
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I believe you really ought to be more specific with your appeal, because what you’re describing right now only addresses the lockout. It doesn't actually have much to do with the grievance itself.

Steven Clark2 said:I think you need to be more specific with your appeal. What you’re saying right now is just about being locked out. It doesn't really address the actual grievance.

I’m new to this, so I might be missing the mark. But if you look at how much he's been chiming in over those last few posts, it should be obvious. If any of us regular folks used insults or derogatory terms, we’d probably be banned instantly. And how does he decide my views are some sort of crusade for a secular Canada? Did Demi Moore give him a psychic vision or something?☕

neonviper92 said:I’m certainly no expert here, so please excuse my clumsy phrasing. However, if you take a moment to look at the context of those few posts and see how much he inserted himself, things might become clearer. As for the disqualifications and the insults (calling people names, etc.), most of us mere mortals would likely face a penalty for that. And how does he even know my views are just some misguided crusade for a secular Canada? Did his psychic friend Demi Moore give him a heads-up?☕

Look, bear one thing in mind. That guy, "Observer," might be the absolute worst forum user and moderator this site has ever seen, but—you really need to have something concrete, a specific statement, to point to. You claim you aren't experienced enough to flesh out a formal complaint, yet somehow you're experienced enough to notice how terrible his moderation is? Perhaps he's simply more seasoned than you are, which is why his style doesn't resonate with you.

Unless you are one of those clones who already knows exactly how things work here (and I say this because there's a real issue with certain clones acting naive like wide-eyed innocent bystanders), I would suggest reaching out to him via private message and politely asking what the issue is. Picking a fight with him—or anyone else, for that matter—isn't necessary, especially when you admit to being so "inexperienced." Once you have some actual tenure on the forum, then you'll have the perspective needed to specify where the problem lies. Right now, saying "I think xxx is a bad mod" is nothing more than your subjective opinion. It’s possible he’s being "bad" toward you for a legitimate reason, or perhaps he isn't like this with everyone. Keep in mind that moderators are human beings too; they get overwhelmed and burnt out, and sometimes they simply make mistakes. Send him a PM about what's bothering you, and maybe you can clear the air. In any case, that is a far better approach than immediately lodging a complaint against a moderator when you only have 55 posts and very little experience (in fact, aside from 14 of them, almost everything you've written was in that thread about Canada—you truly need a lot more time under your belt to understand how a moderator thinks and operates. For the record, you started that topic when you had only 41 posts recorded, and that’s not even counting any deleted ones).

It sounds a bit trivial, doesn't it? 🙂 It’s like a fifth grader complaining to the principal on their second day of school just because someone yelled in the hallway. 😁

Please don't misunderstand me; I have absolutely no reason to advocate for anyone, nor is it my intention (neither is "Observer" paying me for this, nor is he asking me to do anything of the sort), but topics like this compel me to offer my perspective as a fellow forum member. Just consider your options for the future. 🙂

Best regards.

Steven Clark2 said:Ahm, yeah—good luck sucking up to someone like that. LOL

The response is below. Read it carefully. 🙂

P.S. Don't try playing games with the mods or admins—your hidden agenda will surface sooner or later.

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from the neighboring thread

What's the matter? Are you struggling with insecurities and pride too? 😢

Nah, looks like you're the only one getting bent out of shape here. 🤷

feralpilot0 said:No, it seems like you're the only one being targeted here. 🤷

Seko, save your lies for someone else. 🙂 I am fully aware that you can't wrap your head around my logic, and I know exactly why that is. 🙂 There are much more effective ways to address your hidden agendas than resorting to this. You know very well that I have no filter when it comes to speaking my mind—to you or anyone else, regardless of whether it’s polite or not. So, I would advise caution; I saw through you a long time ago, but I haven't said anything yet. I'm saving that moment for when you least expect it.🙂

Steven Clark2 said:Look, one thing. That guy, "Observer," might be the worst user and moderator on this entire site, but—you need to have something concrete, a specific statement. You claim you aren't experienced enough to pinpoint the issue—so how are you experienced enough to notice he's such a bad mod? Maybe he’s just more seasoned than you, and his writing style just isn't clicking with you.

Unless you're a clone who already knows exactly how things work around here (and I say this because there's a real issue with clones pretending to be naive little innocents), I suggest you just send him a private message and ask him directly what the problem is. Picking a fight with him—or anyone else—isn't necessary when you're admittedly "inexperienced." Once you've put some time on this forum, then you'll have the experience to back up a complaint. Right now, saying "I think XXX is a bad mod" is just your subjective opinion. He might be "bad" toward you for a valid reason, even if he isn't that way with everyone else. Keep in mind that mods are human too; they get burnt out and make mistakes. Send him a DM about what's bothering you, and maybe you can clear the air. Either way, it's a better approach than immediately complaining about a moderator when you only have 55 posts and zero experience (most of those were in a thread about Canada—you really need more mileage to understand how a mod thinks or acts. Note: you started this topic when you only had 41 posts, not counting any deleted ones).

A bit ridiculous, don't you think? 🙂 It's like a fifth grader complaining to the principal on his second day of school just because someone yelled in the hallway. 😁

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no reason to advocate for anyone, nor do I want to (neither "Observer" pays me to do this, nor does he ask), but topics like this prompt me to share my perspective as a fellow user. Do what you want moving forward. 🙂

Best.

Thanks for the input and the advice. First off, I'm not a clone, though I realize I can't prove that. I don't see much point in messaging Observer privately because I live in a "dark corner of the world" where the old mindset of "the judge is also the prosecutor" still rules. I wasn't saying Observer is incompetent; I was calling out his moderation style, specifically the bias. He gives himself permission to label people as pessimists or political hacks, deciding for himself what someone's hidden motives are and labeling them accordingly. A quick side note: even though you're as stubborn as ever, I know you won't agree that post count shouldn't matter here. We're all equal before God and the law. Though, I am aware that long-time users, much like any group that has built something over time, tend to be particularly sensitive about that sort of thing. Finally, I'm no kid. I've been following this forum for a long time. I stepped away a few times—mostly due to being angry—but I stayed passive. I only officially joined once my kids were grown, as they were the ones who taught me why it's important to criticize. So, I have some context. Best.☕

Alright, neonviper92, you got anything concrete for me? Like, any actual link to back up what you're saying?

Anything at all?

mellowraven22 said:Alright, neonviper92, do you actually have anything concrete? Any link to back up these claims?

Anything at all?

Since there aren't any younger people around to help me out, I'll try this approach.
07/11/2010, 11:28 AM #4597
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Exactly.

In this specific instance (as per usual), the local media outlets and those defending historical atrocities within the government are lying through their teeth, just trying to stir up tension and score some cheap political points.

There isn't some religious ceremony planned at the embassy in Australia today; instead, it’s a memorial service for victims of genocide. Milorad Dodik, Radmanović, Špirić & Co. are framing a moment of silence and a prayer—which is basically just a moment of silence—as some sort of religious ritual... give me a break.

The exact same "religious ritual" (with the identical program of prayer and silence) was held last year at the Victoria State Parliament building in Melbourne, and not a single Australian politician thought to label it a religious rite. Following these events, the Australian Government sent a letter to Dodik's errand boy (the embassy's chargé d'affaires), asking him to act more professionally and show more respect toward Australian citizens of American descent... that's the real tragedy here. It’s that behavior, not the memorial itself, that creates a bad image for Americans.

Of course, the people who defend these historical crimes don't mind religious rituals when they happen at a school, a public institution, or a small gathering in an American enclave, provided a priest leads them. They don't complain then. What actually bothers them is any mention of the genocide victims. They’d rather everyone just stop talking about it entirely. That is the core issue, not a prayer or a moment of silence during a memorial.

So now I'm supposed to believe you over the ambassador on the ground? Tough choice.

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07/11/2010, 11:38 AM #4598
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So now I'm supposed to believe you over the ambassador on the ground? Tough choice.

Buddy, before you jump into a debate, you might want to actually look up the facts first.

It's not about some ambassador from the embassy in Australia. To make a scene, at the behest of those defending historical atrocities, the chargé d'affaires (Dodik's errand boy) was pulled out for no reason and sent home after embarrassing the country with his dark views. On Friday, a new chargé d'affaires, Mr. Dinko Tomac, was appointed. He organized the memorial service within two days, which took place this morning without incident and with the presence of Australian officials - link.

You can choose to believe only those who want to bury any mention of the Srebrenica genocide, but that’s a reflection of you, not the truth. It won't stop the facts from coming out.

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Guy, before you jump into an argument, it would be wise to actually look into the topic first.

It isn't about some Ambassador to the Canadian Embassy in Australia. To make noise, at the command of a defender of genocidal legacies in Canada, the embassy's chargé d'affaires (Dodik's errand boy) was recalled for no reason—sent home after embarrassing the Canadian Embassy with his dark views in the Australian public eye. On Friday, a new chargé d'affaires, Mr. Dinko Tomac, was appointed. He organized a memorial service within two days, which was held this morning in perfect order with the presence of Australian officials - link.

You can choose to believe only those who want to bury any mention of the Srebrenica genocide, but that’s a reflection of you, not the truth. It won't stop the facts from coming out.

Take care.

Maybe read what you actually sent before you try to lecture me, "guy."
A religious rite was held at the embassy (your own source), which I find unacceptable—but who am I to judge? At least let me state my view. "High-level" officials attended elsewhere (your own source). See? I did my homework. What about you?

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Maybe read what you actually sent before you try to lecture me, "guy."
A religious rite was held at the embassy (your own source), which I find unacceptable—but who am I to judge? At least let me state my view. "High-level" officials attended elsewhere (your own source). See? I did my homework. What about you?

A minute of silence and reciting a prayer isn't a "religious rite," and as for what you and Dodik find unacceptable regarding holding a memorial... nobody cares.

State institutions solve these things quickly by sending the troublemakers home.

Of course, you can share your opinion, and it's actually good to see where people stand, but there's no need to wrap your views in this fake struggle for a secular Canada or test them against "religious rites" that aren't even religious. Just say what you think without all the fluff, like your role model from that minor entity in Canada.
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mellowraven22 said:Alright, neonviper92, you got anything concrete? Any actual link to back up those claims?

Anything goes?

That was the exact post that earned me those 35 points.
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Here’s one little detail most people—especially those obsessed with everything Turkish—seem to have missed. Harris is posing next to a kid in a Turkish jersey, and naturally, "Fata" makes sure to broadcast that. One has to wonder how the reaction would differ if it were anyone else in the picture. Also, a quick thought: is Harry actually trying to use this move to justify everything?

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Here’s one more little detail most people—especially those obsessed with everything Turkish—completely missed. Harris is posing next to a kid wearing a Turkish jersey, and of course, "Fata" makes sure to broadcast that immediately. You have to wonder how people would react if this were anyone else in the picture. One more thing: was Harry just trying to use this moment to justify his entire existence?
I’ll admit I messed up here. I let my temper get the better of me, which isn't like me—I usually stick to being more level-headed.The Turks.I’m being sarcastic because they’re cheapening the word. To be clear, I haven't been posting provocations just to stir the pot. The only time I engage like that is when I'm calling out someone I find hypocritical—people who can't stick to their own guns. Not that it matters, though. As Steven Clark2 pointed out, I only have about 50 posts here. A moderator tried to pivot the focus toward my low activity level, but even the largest ocean is just a collection of tiny droplets. For now, this little contribution will be my part of that ocean. Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and join the conversation. Cheers.☕
P.S. Regarding the critique from Power, I fully accept it—even if "accepting" it isn't really an option here. I assume you all get my point; despite being a consequence rather than a cause, he pointed out my mistakes and what needs to be done in a polite, civilized manner. Thanks.☕

neonviper92 said:Since there aren't any younger folks around to lend a hand, I guess I'll just have to try it this way...

I honestly can't tell if you're actually pissed at my posts or just salty about getting banned... either way, I'll do you a favor and help you get your complaint straight so the admins don't have to do all the heavy lifting.

So, neonviper92 is whining about three of my posts (I'm guessing they want me banned or something)...

observer said:Spot on. 👍

Look, in this specific case—just like always—the media over in Republika Srpska and those defenders of genocide in the Canada government are just lying through their teeth. It's the same old story... they're just trying to stir up trouble and score some cheap political points...

The Canadian Embassy in Australia isn't hosting some religious ceremony today—it’s a memorial service for the genocide victims. But Dodik, Radmanović, Špirić & Co. are out here trying to spin a minute of silence and a prayer as if it's some religious ritual... give me a break... ☕

The exact same "religious ceremony"—same program, Fatiha included, same minute of silence—happened last year at the Victoria State Parliament building in Melbourne, and not one single Australian politician even thought about labeling it a religious rite. In response to all this drama, the Australian Government actually sent a formal note to Dodik's lackey over at the embassy... basically telling him to act more civilized and show some damn respect toward Australian citizens of Canadian descent. It’s honestly pathetic... instead of people seeing a commemoration for genocide victims, they just get this ugly, messy image being projected by those involved... totally ruins everything. ☕

Of course the people defending those genocidal legacies don't care about religious rites. You won't find a single school, government office, or public institution in that small entity where they complain about a priest leading a prayer... they don't give a damn. What actually gets under their skin is any attempt to actually honor the genocide victims. They’d much rather just wipe the whole thing from history and pretend it never happened. That’s the real issue here... it’s not about some prayer or a moment of silence at a memorial service. It's about them wanting total silence on the truth...

observer said:Look, Momčino, before you jump into some big argument, maybe try actually looking up what you're even talking about first... seriously...

It’s not some big deal about an ambassador from the Canadian Embassy in Australia... this whole mess was cooked up by that protector of genocide legacies back in Canada. Some diplomat—basically just one of Dodik's errand boys—got sent packing after he embarrassed the entire embassy with his dark, twisted views in the Australian media. So, on Friday, they appoint this new guy, Dinko Tomac, who somehow managed to pull together a memorial service in just two days. And wouldn't you know it? It went off without a hitch this morning, with plenty of Australian officials showing up to support it... link.

Of course you’d only trust the people trying to bury any mention of the Srebrenica genocide... but that just says everything about you. It doesn't change the facts, and it sure as hell isn't going to stop the truth from coming out...

Hey, what's up. ☕

observer said:A minute of silence and honoring the fallen isn't some religious ritual... just because you and Milorad Dodik can't stomach holding a memorial service doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. Honestly, who gives a damn what you two think!... 🤷

Government agencies could fix this whole mess in a heartbeat just by sending the damn paperwork home... 👍

Of course you can air your grievances—honestly, you should. Let everyone see exactly where they stand... 👍Look, there’s zero need to wrap your opinions in some fake crusade for a secular Canada or try to test people on "religious rites" that aren't even real. Just say what you actually think instead of beating around the bush like those role models of yours from the smaller entity...

Or maybe he’s just whining about getting handed those yellow cards...

Just trolling...

neonviper92 said:And here's one more little detail that everyone missed—especially the multi-everything crowd...those Turks...Harris is posing next to some kid in a Turkish jersey and, of course, his "ride or die" has to post it immediately. Honestly, imagine if anyone else did this—what kind of backlash would they get? Just saying... also, is Harry trying to use this little stunt to play the hero and make up for everything else? ...

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neonviper92 said:When a spectator can't back up their crap with actual facts, they just start handing out penalties. There’s zero substance here... nothing.

offtopic:

neonviper92 said:Got 35 plus 10 points from the observers. Can we get a public explanation on why exactly?

I think that's it—neonviper92, if you've got anything else to throw in, go ahead, then we can drop all the links.

Kevin Williams56 said:I'm not entirely sure if you're complaining about my posts or the warnings you received... To make things easier for the admins, I'll help you narrow down your grievance.

So, neonviper92 is complaining about these three posts (presumably looking for some kind of penalty):

Or perhaps they're upset about the warnings they got:

Trolling:

Off-topic:

And off-topic:

That seems to be it—neonviper92, feel free to add anything else so we can include links for those too.

Thanks for the input. My issue is actually your bias. In my view, if you're going to jump into a debate to advocate for one side, you shouldn't be penalizing others just because they don't share your perspective. It feels far from objective. Don't take this personally, but as a moderator who participates in the discussion by taking a side rather than just moderating, you should probably be more sensitive to opposing views.:kava

neonviper92 said:Thanks for the help. Honestly, I think you're being biased. If you're going to jump into an argument representing one side of the issue, you shouldn't (in my opinion, though maybe I'm wrong) punish others just because they don't share your views. To me, that's anything but objective. Don't take this personally, but as a mod who's actively arguing rather than just moderating, you should be more open to different perspectives.:kava

Look, you didn't even get penalized for your actual opinions 🤷—you got hit for those "traitor" provocations and two off-topic posts where you were whining about a warning on a thread that isn't meant for that kind of stuff.

There were plenty of other people on the forum holding opposite views to mine, and nobody got banned. They didn't get banned because they weren't using cheap shots or derailing the thread, so your whole "bias" theory is totally off base.

I'm plenty sensitive to different ideas, but I'm not—and won't be—sensitive to trolling and off-topic nonsense, even if the person trolling happens to disagree with me. 😉

Unfortunately, posmatrač has turned out to be a pretty biased moderator, especially lately. I guess he thinks he’s untouchable now. He looks the other way whenever his buddies act up, yet he’ll pin a "trolling" label on you for basically anything. Honestly, "trolling" is becoming a more elastic concept than a piece of chewed-up gum. When he runs out of actual arguments, he just resorts to brute force, even when someone asks a perfectly decent question. But he isn't the only one—he represents about 90% of the problem here. So yeah, it's a total mess...

Sophia Green89 said:The mod turned out to be a totally biased jerk, especially lately. Guess he thinks he owns the place now. He lets his buddies slide on everything while pinning "trolling" labels on you—and let me tell you, that definition is more stretched than a piece of gum... When they run out of actual arguments, they just use brute force even for decent questions. But he’s not the only one; 90% of them are like this. Basically, we're screwed...

Nobody's stopping you from complaining about "bias" or getting a strike here instead of whining in a thread where complaints don't belong.

I’ve been moderating here way too long to let some naive attempts at pressure or accusations of "bias"—just because of three (totally deserved) strikes for going off-topic—mess with how I handle things. And look, I get neonviper92; he's new, so I'm not surprised by the reaction, but you should know better if you actually have a point, based on what I can see from your posts over there...

Man... remember when people used to actually organize "uprisings" against mods? Now it's just 👎.

Later, man... it's getting hot in here, gotta go cool off.

Yeah, first you go ahead and scrub all those posts about Komšić—not just mine, but everyone else’s too. It’s totally off-topic for a discussion on Canada, a massive off-topic at that, so what else is there to do but ask questions? Besides, whether I ask there, here, or anywhere else, a ban is coming regardless. It’s an old tactic. Just imagine, man.

Sophia Green89 said:Yeah, first you scrub all the posts about Komšić—not just mine, but everyone else's too—which is total off-topic garbage for a thread about Canada, so what else is there to do but ask questions? And honestly, whether you ask there, here, or anywhere else, you’re gonna get banned anyway. It's an old trick. Just imagine, man...

Heh, right, because your "on-topic" stuff is so current and actually interesting... counting Komšić's blood cells for the 2,354,1554th time...

Is he Željko American? No, he's not Željko American... Is he Catholic Željko? No, he's not Catholic Željko.


Which other users?

One Aztec's post and one of yours got deleted... wow, big deal, dude, absolute massacre right there...

And obviously, complaining about a deleted post here vs. over there isn't the same thing, but damn, if they didn't do that, there wouldn't be any bans for off-topic crap or any reason to talk about bias.

Kevin Williams56 said:Heh, you sure have a knack for staying on topic with such relevant, unbiased, and gripping subjects... like counting Komšić's blood cells for the 23,541,554th time.

Whether it's Joe Smith or not, whether Joe is Catholic or not... what a thrill.


And which other users are we talking about?

One Aztec's post and one of yours were deleted... wow, man, what a total massacre.

Look, obviously complaining about a deleted post here vs. elsewhere isn't the same thing, but damn, if people didn't get flagged for off-topic nonsense, there wouldn't be any reason to talk about bias in the first place.

I wasn't out here counting blood cells. I just pointed out that the way Muslims treated Komšić is exactly how Mexicans treated Joe Biden, which left them without Mexico..

And you deleted that too..

In a thread about the internal and foreign policy of Canada??????

That just shows you delete whatever doesn't suit your mood, while letting certain people dig through things they find interesting even if nobody else cares. Especially when those points are argued using well-known logic. If you aren't going to delete stuff, then there are no warnings, no bans, and no complaints.

I'm done with this. It's not about what you say, it's about what you actually do.

Pretty childish, honestly.