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The Truth (Presidential Game)

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Participants Melissa Evansgranitehound19Ronald Morales51Dennis Cooper3stormyranger14Brenda Sanders46copperstag95feraltiger11Nancy Williams58
Melissa Evans Melissa Evans MemberOP
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joined Sep 2009
#1 ·
I’m genuinely puzzled as to why there hasn't been more discussion surrounding the film "The Truth."
granitehound19 granitehound19 Member
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joined Aug 2010
#2 ·
It’s probably because your comment was so incredibly thorough and engaging that there isn't much left for me to even say... ☕
Ronald Morales51 Ronald Morales51 Member
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joined Aug 2008
#3 ·
The movie was decent enough—an interesting life story, but nothing groundbreaking. Everything is laid out pretty clearly from the jump, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It’s a legal drama that feels more like something you'd see on basic cable; definitely not the kind of film I'd go back and watch again.

Cheers 😁
Dennis Cooper3 Dennis Cooper3 Member
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joined Feb 2016
#4 ·
I really enjoyed the experience because it forced me to confront my own underlying biases. To be perfectly honest, I’ve never been particularly drawn to Kate Winslet; she strikes me as one of those quintessential "it girls"—stunning, impeccable style, and while she’s certainly a talented actress, you get the sense that acting might not even be her main driving force. That was precisely how she came across at the start of the film.
She felt like your typical privileged young woman—and let’s be realistic, how many unestablished young journalists out there actually grew up in mansions and attended elite private academies?—who was just playing at being a serious reporter. But then, suddenly, she shows everyone exactly what she's made of and finds her backbone. 😁
And I found the character played by Alan Alda to be absolutely brilliant. He had this line—if I recall the sentiment correctly—about how it doesn't matter what kind of person you were; in the end, the number of people who show up to your funeral is mostly down to the weather. 🙂
stormyranger14 stormyranger14 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2009
#5 ·
The movie is great. I don't get the comments about it being predictable. Did you even watch the last two minutes?...
The two lead actresses are great, though all those extreme close-ups at the start were a bit much for me. I really should watch this again to see how many clues they planted for that ending...
Brenda Sanders46 Brenda Sanders46 Member
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joined Oct 2007
#6 ·
Honestly, the movie was just middle-of-the-road at best... I don't think I'd ever sit through it again.
copperstag95 copperstag95 Member
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joined Nov 2012
#7 ·
I found the movie absolutely wonderful, truly, and I must admit I didn't quite catch the hint that the protagonist might actually be a child, even though I suppose I should have picked up on those little remarks regarding her son’s specific vocabulary—you know, that odd little term "crybaby." But, I find myself somewhat stumped by the plot progression, if I may be so bold; I simply couldn't quite wrap my head around the legal reasoning behind why she was being charged with obstructing an investigation?? It seems a bit much, I guess, or maybe I just missed a crucial detail somewhere in the middle.
feraltiger11 feraltiger11 Newcomer
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copperstag95 said:I thought the movie was great. Honestly, I didn't even realize she could be a little girl at that point, even though I knew those little comments from her kid—calling someone a crybaby—were going to come up later. But I just don't get why she's being charged with obstructing an investigation??

The movie is excellent, and you can really tell by the plot that it feels inspired by some real-life event. But I'm struggling with the ending... specifically how Dubois takes Rachel and her lawyer into an interrogation room and threatens the accused with a massive sentence if she doesn't reveal her source. The deal on the table is a two-year sentence. Then we get the epilogue, the two years, and her memory revealing that the secondary source for Rachel's article was actually Erica van Dorn's young daughter. Let me break that down: the primary source for the story was Tim, the agent who told Rachel at a party that Erica van Dorn works for the CIA, which he eventually admitted in court. But for Dubois, that wasn't enough. He sensed there was this other, secondary source out there, and he couldn't figure out if Rachel gave them up or not, especially since she only got two years—was it prison, probation, or what? It’s all a bit blurry in the film. At the very end, in Rachel's flashback, we find out that Erica's little girl told Rachel at daycare,
"My mommy works for The Government." So, now you tell me... what was the actual resolution to the whole story?
Nancy Williams58 Nancy Williams58 Active Member
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joined Apr 2023
#9 ·
feraltiger11 said:The movie is solid, and you can totally "smell" that the plot was inspired by some actual real-life drama. But man, I just don't get the ending... basically, DuBois, Rachel, and her lawyer go into this interrogation room where he threatens the accused with a massive sentence if she doesn't cough up her source. The deal on the table is a two-year stint. Then we hit the epilogue—two years later—and we get this flashback where Rachel remembers being a little kid in preschool, and
Erica's daughter told her that her mommy works for the Government. So, try to wrap your head around what the actual twist is here.

Look, the whole point wasn't really about the article itself. The real issue was outing a CIA agent, which turns this into a major national security nightmare. The actual writing matters way less than that.

It was two years in prison, since DuBois wouldn't budge on the plea deal. At that point, once he realized he was never getting what he wanted, his only goal was to bury her. To me, it felt like he took it personally. He was just pissed he didn't get his way, so he went after the maximum punishment even when he shouldn't have. It became a grudge match.

As for why she made her choice in the end? I saw it in a much more grounded way. She refused to name the source because it involved a child—plus, she’s a mom herself now. That’s the kicker. She couldn't drag a kid into the mess, and honestly, she probably couldn't live with the guilt of using a child to cover her own tracks. It's like a mix of maternal instinct and a guilty conscience. If you ask me, part of her choosing prison was her way of punishing herself for the damage she caused in the first place.

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