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The philosophy of sacred space: Designing for the divine?

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Participants redtinker36placidjackal36steelsurfer42Jack Ortiz7Jessica Thompson3steelsurfer33brightjackal13feraltrucker5Richard Collins5redmarlin3northernwalker0crimsontrucker4Joseph Watson3feralpilot0
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
160 messages
joined Mar 2007
#1 ·
.. a long title .. regarding the mathematical philosophy that has brought the world to its knees .. right behind the ribs of some guy .. he managed to screw himself over .. leaving the world with so much empty space .. that it threatens to .. like some damn bomb .. collapse in on itself .. like a black hole
.. or a short title .. about magic ..

(.. I have to play around a bit .. tweaking titles and topics .. making sure .. goddamn it .. they stay interesting .. because the feeling of .. whether I get deleted .. moved .. or praised .. needs to be as complete as possible .. that is .. as juicy as it gets .. filling my mouth and my gut .. hell take it .. as the song says ..)

.. I think our trust in science is absolute .. essentially limitless
.. and that a nasty attack on that trust .. and on us as well .. would turn into a conviction .. that they hold all the cards ..

.. on the other .. hand .. all that religious ceremony and church bullshit .. makes me sick .. so much so that I can't even string two coherent sentences together .. immediately those things rising from my gut start choking me .. I can't even catch my breath

.. God forces himself into the world .. like he's forcing his way into a canyon .. into a hole .. in the sky
.. and .. this bastard God has all the characteristics .. typical of a god .. which is quite interesting ..

.. Science looked for mechanical solutions ..
.. the guy behind a certain state .. a certain scheme .. a certain flow .. accepted results with confidence .. it never occurred to him to philosophize
.. they would say an atom .. great .. an electron .. great .. this goes here and that goes there .. and the guy just listened with his mouth wide open .. like a cartoon character .. great
.. but .. in reality it was philosophy .. the study of things .. that needed to be pushed .. so they could move .. rotate .. grow and flourish .. or even think

.. nobody ever knew who was doing the pushing .. or what kind of force that was .. and nobody ever took me seriously when I spent forty years suggesting that all these bullshit energies should simply be called God ..

.. also .. damn it
.. I think it is possible .. to slice through the sky like a knife .. creating a hole in it .. up there .. in the heavens .. just like the gaps between particles of dark matter ..

.. I still wonder .. if there is some son of a bitch out there who could prove to me that God doesn't exist .. because if God really doesn't exist .. then screw him .. we'll have to invent one

.. I think it's stupid to still be wasting time trying to break the world
.. I think broken matter is a fact
.. I think the essential thing is the breaking of the man .. of oneself
.. and fuck it .. trying to walk .. on the edge of a knife
placidjackal36 placidjackal36 Active Member
183 messages
joined Jan 2008
#2 ·
Look, kid. 😢
steelsurfer42 steelsurfer42 Member
15 messages
joined Nov 2006
#3 ·
Seriously, stay off the pills while you're on the forums.
Don't be popping those meds while browsing here.
I'm telling you, leave the pills alone when you're posting!
For the love of god, no pills during forum time.
Stop taking your medication while you're hanging out here.
Keep the pills away from the keyboard!
Are you kidding me? No pills while you're online!
Jack Ortiz7 Jack Ortiz7 Member
12 messages
joined Jan 2008
#4 ·
Man, you really went there, didn't you?
Don't you realize you're just repeating yourself at this point? Honestly, it’s getting kind of embarrassing.
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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joined Mar 2007
#5 ·
.. anarchy .. red and black ..

.. have you actually read Stendhal’s *The Red and the Black*? .. well .. that isn't anarchy ..
.. see .. it’s all about the sequence .. old priests followed by revolution .. that’s the order .. clergy then revolt ..
.. it’s that kid who knew his Bible inside out .. that book .. and the essence of the book is that it .. created itself .. well .. it didn't create shit .. but you could argue it .. created .. which is .. quite the joke in itself ..
.. if you start reading, watch out for the little details ..
.. you can't really wrap your head around American elections unless you understand the small stuff ..

.. you aren't an anarchist? .. damn .. then why the hell are you acting .. important?

.. anarchy is the opposite ..
.. it’s a sequence .. from red to black, practically .. darkness stained by blood .. didn't you know?
.. and the letter .. do you even know the letter? .. you don't?
.. well .. it can't be 'A' .. because 'A' is Allah and Elohim ..
.. even though 'A' is also the howling of wolves .. so stay cautious ..
.. anarchy is 'N' .. like night, like *nuit*, like a note, like nothing, like no hope .. you didn't know that either? .. most importantly, I haven't told you .. you can't hear it .. damn ..

.. you aren't an anarchist? .. I'm looking for people .. damn .. you don't even know them?
Jessica Thompson3 Jessica Thompson3 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2009
#6 ·
It’s not an easy road you're walking, man...

But there are good people in white coats out there; they'll help you through this.
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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joined Mar 2007
#7 ·
.. honestly .. just go screw yourselves .. you and your so-called "normal" world .. (.. did you actually show up to vote .. ? .. were you even able to pass anything at all .. ? ..)

.. stop looking .. seriously .. for some kind of hollow, bird-brained charisma .. the capacity for enlightenment separates you infinitely from this endless craving for a mission .. it's just concentric circles of stupidity and ignorance, like rings on a tree .. but hey, who’s singing that old tune .. > who the hell is playing that? .. you know the song, right?
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
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joined May 2009
#8 ·
Letters don't mean a damn thing. You have to actually hear the sounds.
brightjackal13 brightjackal13 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2013
#9 ·
...hey... don't go... getting worked up if... nobody gets you.......
.....true geniuses are... always... misunderstood.....
don't you think?
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
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joined May 2009
#10 ·
1. Just look at me, standing here all by myself, soaking up the sun.
2. Exceptions aren't just errors; they point toward much more complex patterns.
3. We’re people, not bureaucrats. We'll work it out.

Doesn't that sound like... I don't know... something pulled straight from an old folk tale about some desert shaman?
(A bit tweaked, though... whatever... let's say this second one is about a coin and the laws it follows... but it doesn't matter.
.. Could these pass as... I guess... little bits of crazy philosophy that regular folks use as a signature or a motto?
.. Is the secret just the desire of normal people to be... well, abnormal?
.. You really have to learn how to spot the details.
.. Sometimes the most important signs are hidden in the smallest things.
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
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joined May 2009
#11 ·
Look at this:

"2. exceptions indicate more complex laws"

That's just poorly phrased.
Exceptions actually point to the existence of higher laws governing the ones we already know about.
And honestly, who says they even have to be more complex?
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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joined Mar 2007
#12 ·
.. you don't know the half of it... don't go thinking you do... just assume you don't, then when you finally see it, it'll click... everything's burning at the peak now... but that doesn't really matter...

.. I get what a signature or a badge means... it's not true that I'm blind to things... damn... some details slip past me—I'll admit that—but I do know my fair share

.. the voices... obviously... don't waste my time with those trivial corrections

.. hell... the truth is I'm not much of an observer... I would've never noticed those three... sent my way by some jerk god... I'm only just seeing them now
.. damn it... look at how they're positioned... one's standing out in the sun... all alone... the second one's a believer... and the third is completely off the grid
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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joined Mar 2007
#13 ·
.. man .. out in this heat .. I'm about to lose my mind .. this is just brutal ..
placidjackal36 placidjackal36 Active Member
183 messages
joined Jan 2008
#14 ·
What kind of F are we talking about here?
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
14 messages
joined May 2009
#15 ·
.. making a correction isn't some minor detail..
.. you keep glossing right over it..
.. I know you get it.. logically speaking.. but you just don't factor it in nearly enough..
.. which is exactly why the correction matters..

.. I mean, damn.. we don't exactly have a surplus of pine trees around here.. like I told you.. this is Oak Valley territory.. and everything here revolves around the local timber trade..

.. that space reserved for God.. that’s where the magic happens.. it's the gap between one.. and the very next.. existence of a particle.. that tiny interval between those two states where movement is physically impossible..
.. that part is obvious.. I assume..

.. but as for that hole in the sky.. we haven't really touched on that yet.. so maybe you could walk me through it a bit more..
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
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joined May 2009
#16 ·
placidjackal36 said:What's your F type?

You're asking me?

They haven't even invented a letter for me yet. Seriously. Psychiatry still needs to catch up.

You think Nikola Tesla had an F? You know, the visions, the auditory hallucinations, the obsessive perfectionism and all that? If he did, then fine, give him his credit;
But we can't ignore the intelligence factor either. If you combined an F with a 100 IQ—or lower—you'd be in deep shit... at least if you ask me.

What do these F types even mean to you?
Are you speaking from experience here, or are you just trying to look smart?

(I took a quick look at your posts... when it comes to sex, for instance, you totally missed the point. Maybe I should recommend you pay a little more attention to the details?)
placidjackal36 placidjackal36 Active Member
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joined Jan 2008
#17 ·
I wasn't talking to you.
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
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joined May 2009
#18 ·
Look, I know you didn't mean it that way, I just thought it was a decent way to kick things off.

But honestly? The answer doesn't change based on who you ask. It stays the same regardless.
steelsurfer33 steelsurfer33 Member
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joined May 2009
#19 ·
(.. that guy who was out there soaking up the sun .. he's just part of everything now .. no beginning, no end ..

.. honestly, whatever .. interesting enough ..)
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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joined Mar 2007
#20 ·
.. hey .. .. let me tell you something ..

.. Einstein once said that God doesn't play dice .. as if .. as if God actually knows what He's doing .. and isn't just gambling on whatever happens ..

(.. in Genesis .. I think it says .. God created things .. and then .. looked at them and saw they were good .. almost as if He was a little surprised by the result ..)

.. but regarding Einstein..
.. I think he was both wrong and right .. at the exact same time ..

.. I believe his point was that there must be a causal link .. always ..
.. it shouldn't be possible for something to just appear .. out of nowhere .. without a cause ..
.. and that's where he missed the mark .. it is possible for something to come into existence in a way that leaves us completely clueless about its origin ..

.. yet at the same time, he was spot on .. whatever did come into being had very clear, definite causes .. they just weren't originating from within his own world ..
.. I think anyone who catches a glimpse of the edge understands this .. everything is logical and follows set laws .. it's just that those laws belong to another realm ..

.. which means the real question is which world Einstein belongs to ..
.. and since he's from Earth .. well .. he got it wrong ..

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