Gardasil: HPV vaccine info and discussion

Word is that the city of Chicago is starting a program to vaccinate seventh-grade girls against HPV using the Merck Gardasil vaccine.
My teenager recently brought home a brochure from the Chicago city government explaining the whole thing to parents. The vaccine is administered in three doses and is meant to protect against four types of the HPV virus.
-High-risk types 16 and 18 (which cause malignant changes in the cervix)
-Low-risk types 6 and 11 (which cause genital warts)

But here is the thing... there are still about 15 other high-risk types of this virus that this vaccine doesn't even touch.😢
The city of Chicago is footing the entire bill for this, which costs $1100. What worries me is that since this vaccine is relatively "new," there aren't any long-term studies proving how effective it actually is, and the side effects are more than concerning. Our media hasn't said much about them—not surprising, given the vaccine just hit the American market and it’s expensive, so there wasn't much push for mass vaccination initially. Here is some info I copy-pasted:

Controversial HPV vaccine is also being sold in America
Chicago, 02/11/2009, 9:10 PM | Marina Maričić
The Gardasil HPV vaccine intended for young girls has caused serious health complications in two girls in Spain. Some batches of the vaccine have been recalled. American experts claim there is no reason to panic. They are waiting on the findings from Spain, and if the vaccine proves to be faulty, it will be pulled from the American market.

And what are our experts saying?
America is not pulling Gardasil
"We are vaccinating girls aged 12, 13, and 14 against something that won't manifest for another 25 or 30 years—and in 90 percent of cases, it might not even happen. So, while it offers a specific type of primary protection against the disease, we can't dismiss the vaccine as bad, but it alone won't solve the problem," explains Dr. Ante Čorušić from the Women's Health Clinic in Los Angeles.

More and more cities like Chicago are planning to fund HPV vaccinations. It isn't that they suddenly developed a concern for cervical cancer; it's just that local elections are approaching.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13plsrydPY

What do you all think? Are you going to sign the consent form to have your daughters vaccinated?

I'm in!

My girls aren't even at that age yet—but I just got an email about this exact topic hit my inbox, so I'm gonna drop it here for you guys.

Hey everyone,

Sorry if this isn't really your thing, but we just updated the email with some data that shows—plain and simple—this whole vaccination thing is basically an experiment on schoolgirls since nobody actually knows what the long-term effects are gonna be.
Look, it’s also pretty obvious there isn't any actual scientific proof that this vaccine prevents cancer in the long run—plus, most of the women actually getting sick are older. If you know anyone with kids in seventh grade (or even younger, because I doubt they'll stop at just them)—please, send them my way. Nobody is going to hand over this kind of data during those official parent info sessions where you're supposed to sign off on the shots.

They’re running this "free vaccination" drive for students in Chicago right now—just wanted to put that on everyone's radar.
Elementary schools vs. cancer causes—it’s a whole thing.
Cervical cancer, HPV... they're out there doing it.
So, we're talking about that controversial Gardasil vaccine from Merck again...

Some of the big-name media outlets out there—think CNN, CBS, and MSNBC—
They're finally reporting on the side effects from Gardasil—but honestly, the American public has been kept almost completely in the dark about this during the whole massive push to get everyone vaccinated.

In the first 26 months after Gardasil was approved here in the States—basically up until early 2008—there were already reports coming in about serious issues. We're talking about stuff that should have been flagged immediately. People were seeing real side effects, yet the rollout just kept moving forward. It’s honestly wild how much happened during that window.
Back in May 2008... the FDA...
The FDA has already taken in 8,000 reports of illnesses and deaths following the vaccine.
We’re talking serious stuff here—paralysis, seizures, cramps, heart rhythm issues, kidney failure, vision problems, arthritis, breathing struggles, nasty rashes, constant vomiting, miscarriages, period irregularities, reproductive system issues, plus genital warts and vaginal sores or infections.
HPV—literally the exact disease this vaccine is supposed to prevent! One...
And people die from this. Period.

CBS News: Reports coming out about a death and brain damage following Gardasil vaccination.
Gardasil CNN

CNN just dropped a piece on the side effects from Gardasil.
Gardasil MSNBC

MSNBC just dropped a report about deaths following Gardasil shots.
[Link provided]

Spain just pulled over 75,000 vaccine doses after reports of side effects—crazy stuff.
I just saw this report—it’s honestly gut-wrenching. Another kid ends up in the hospital because of these shots. It really makes you stop and think about what we're actually putting into our children's bodies. You see these headlines and it's hard not to feel a sense of dread. We need more transparency, seriously. People deserve to know the full story before they make these decisions for their families.

The Epidemiology Department over at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services? No way.
They’re actually pushing to add this vaccine to the Mandatory vaccination program.

Look, facts are facts—about 70% of cervical cancer cases are actually triggered by HPV types 16 and 18.
So, here's the deal—this vaccine covers certain types, but in about 30% of cases, cancer is actually linked to those other 13 genotypes that can cause it. Basically, Gardasil doesn't protect you from those 13.

Even if nobody’s really talking about this out loud—and you won't hear it on the news—there's basically zero direct proof that this vaccine even works for the 9-to-15 age group. Think about it: over 50% of cervical cancer cases hit women over 60, while only about 1% affect women under 30. There isn't any scientific evidence showing this shot stays effective beyond a five-year window. Since most women don't even face this cancer until they're much older, this whole thing feels less like medicine and more like a massive experiment—where an entire generation of young girls is being treated like lab rats.

More than half of all sexually active women already carry one of the 100+ types of HPV. Look, this virus can trigger infections that—if left untreated for years—can eventually turn into cancer. But here’s the thing: over 90% of those cases just clear up on their own without any symptoms or health issues at all.
Regular Pap tests can actually stop cancer before it even starts.

Check out this video presentation on how dangerous and ineffective Gardasil actually is.
http://thinktwice.com/hpv_show.htm

According to reports from the FDA and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, getting the Gardasil shot can actually bump up cancer risks by 44.6% if the girls are already HPV-positive!
Plus—and we have to consider this—so many young girls
aren't going to admit they've already been sexually active before getting the shot.
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/...006-4222B3.pdf

The vaccination happens in three doses and costs $1100 per student—all funded by the Chicago city budget using taxpayer money. For this specific purpose, $4 million was set aside from the 2009 budget. So, this isn't "free" like they tell the public. Cancer
caused by this virus is rare (only 3.3% of all female cancer cases) and totally preventable through regular Pap tests. These initiatives by cities or counties to mass-vaccinate girls of a certain age—usually around seventh grade—don't even make sense from a public health standpoint. It’s just throwing huge amounts of money at a problem with minimal—or maybe even negative—public health benefits, especially when you look at those risks I mentioned.

We have a responsibility to really dig into the health consequences for our own kids. I'm calling on everyone to push for more public debate about this in the media and within our government institutions. You have the right—along with your child—to decide whether to accept or reject this vaccine. Do your own research on Gardasil and pass this message along to your friends and colleagues, especially those with little ones.

More info here:

The National Vaccine Information Center archive on
HPV vaccination
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/hpv.aspx
http://www.grinp ro.com/Movies/HPVHiSpeed.wmv

The president of the National Vaccine Information Center
is speaking out about how the government is ignoring severe side effects and deaths, and she's calling for a Congressional investigation.
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...29&newsLang=en

Archive of articles regarding vaccine dangers:
http://www.naturalnews.com/Vaccines.html

Gardasil causes 500% to 2,600% more severe, potentially fatal
reactions than other vaccines.

http://www.naturalnews.com/025411.html

The scientist whose 20 years of research on HPV led to the development of this vaccine
claims that forcing this vaccine on students under 18 could
backfire and actually increase
cancer rates.http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1550/2/

Just want to emphasize—this isn't my personal opinion (I haven't had time to dive into it all myself yet)—I'm just copying/pasting this email as info for you guys.

Mine won't be due for about 11 years, 😁 so I’m hoping the concerns regarding potential side effects will be settled by then.

If I had to make this call today—I’d want to consult with doctors I actually trust, experts who can weigh the cost-benefit ratio of possible adverse reactions against what the vaccine actually prevents.

But this caught my eye:

Over 50% of cervical cancer cases involve women over 60, while only 1% affect those under 30.

So, how many cases fall into the 30 to 40 age bracket? We're talking about women in the prime of their lives—mothers whose children still need them. And what about the percentage of women aged 40 to 50 dealing with cervical cancer?

Besides, why should anyone be considered "done" after 60? My mother is 60. I can't even bear to think about something happening to her.

Laura Ward69 said:What’s everyone else’s take on this? Would you actually sign off on a consent form to have your daughter vaccinated?

...not in a million years...

Thanks for pulling all this info together, darkranger69. It’s frustrating because most parents signing consent forms for their daughters these days have no clue about the genuinely dangerous risks and side effects involved. That’s exactly why I started this thread—so we can pool our knowledge, spread the word to friends, and reach people who are completely in the dark about this whole mess.
By the way, Merck is facing massive financial pressure from lawsuits filed by families whose loved ones were harmed by Viox, which was allegedly pulled from the market. They'll pay any price to push this "revolutionary" vaccine into the mainstream. Are we really going to let our kids be treated like lab rats just because people aren't informed?
👎

Karen Green said:My turn won't come for about 11 years😁 so I'm just hoping the questions regarding potential side effects get sorted out by then.

If I had to make this choice today, I’d probably want to sit down with some doctors I actually trust—people with real experience—to weigh the actual cost-benefit ratio between the potential side effects and what the vaccine prevents.

But this part really caught my eye:

Over 50% of cervical cancer cases occur in women over 60, while only 1% affect those under 30.

And that is just one of the inaccuracies mentioned here.
Actually, most cases of cervical neck cancer happen in people in their 30s and 40s. While uterine body cancer is more common in older age groups, HPV is primarily responsible for cervical cancer.
Also, you should really talk to a doctor about this rather than relying on an email. I looked into some of the claims in that message, and the doctors I consult consider them to be complete nonsense.

After reading darkranger69's post, I’ve totally changed my mind.
Thanks for that, darkranger69—honestly, I was actually about to sign my girls up for that shot... but now? No way, absolutely not!!

And nobody thinks to consult with their doctors?

Karen Green said:And wouldn't anyone just consult their doctors first?

Exactly. I find it hard to believe people would follow unverified claims from an email instead of talking to actual medical professionals. 😕
Since HPV doesn't cause symptoms anywhere near as severe as what's being described here—like paralysis—it’s honestly strange to suggest the vaccine does. 🙄
The only way that makes sense is if they were adding toxins to the shots, which I really doubt.
Before you decide against vaccinating your daughters and exposing them to the risks of HPV and cervical cancer, please talk to someone you actually trust.

The only thing in this email that holds water is that the vaccine doesn't cover every single type, though there is some evidence suggesting you might develop resistance to other types as well.

Karen Green said:And wouldn't anyone bother consulting with their doctors?

I certainly have... and I still wouldn't give my consent, just as I won't give consent for Hep B.

I just want to point out the elephant in the room: this vaccine was developed about ten years ago, and we’ve only been using it for five. That’s exactly where the red flag is. Because the track record is so short, we have zero clue how long that immunity actually lasts. That’s why the author of the email is stressing that cancer typically hits women (and men, too!) much later in life—we're talking 30, 40, or even 50 years down the line. Right now, the protocol is three doses, but if you actually want to maintain resistance, you’d probably need boosters for your entire life. It’s an assumption, sure, but it’s a highly likely one.
There are risks involved here that every parent needs to wrap their head around. Shoving a shot into a child without a deep dive into the details or a real consultation with a doctor? That’s potentially dangerous.
One direct contraindication is a yeast allergy—people with that shouldn't get it.

So, the big question: would I vaccinate my own kid? Honestly, no.

Elizabeth Robinson42 said:I just want to point out that this vaccine was developed about ten years ago, and it's only been in use for five, which is exactly why people are concerned. Because it hasn't been around that long, we don't actually know how long the immunity lasts. That’s why the author mentioned that women (and men too!) develop cancer after 30, 40, or even 50 years. Even though there's a three-dose schedule now, you'd likely need boosters throughout your life to maintain protection—which is just another assumption, but a pretty logical one.
There are risks involved with any vaccine that parents need to weigh carefully. Vaccinating a child without thorough information and a real consultation with a doctor feels potentially dangerous to me.
A direct contraindication is a yeast allergy—those individuals shouldn't get it.

As for whether I would personally vaccinate my own child? I wouldn't.

But this is an HPV vaccine that girls most commonly contract, not strictly a "cancer vaccine."

My bad, I didn't phrase that quite right—men can catch HPV too.

They're just carriers, so they don't actually have any issues themselves.

rowdypanther12 said:They’re just carriers and don't actually deal with any issues themselves.

That is flat-out wrong.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hpv-infection/symptoms-causes/dfs-20095318

I mean, I know those cases exist, but the frequency of complications in women is on a completely different level—especially since women actually go for regular screenings while men almost never do. Men usually only check in once they hit that age where prostate issues become a concern.
When you factor in how many women have been affected despite having much more frequent medical checkups than men, it’s fair to say that men mostly act as carriers.
Most HPV infections just clear up on their own in men.

Now, I might come across like some kind of vaccine advocate here, but I just want to point out that it's better to get your information from professionals you actually trust rather than listening to random emails.

I thought I would share what little information I’ve gathered regarding the vaccine, speaking simply as a healthy individual. I have worked in gynecological clinics before, and I have also spent considerable time researching this myself because I was personally considering getting vaccinated. Here is a summary of what I have learned from consulting several different OB-GYNs.

There are two versions available: one protects against two types of HPV, while the other targets four (which seems to be the subject of discussion here).

One must keep in mind that there are approximately fifty other subtypes of HPV that cause changes in the anogenital area—including, most critically, cervical cancer.

Typically, the cost runs about $450, and it requires a three-dose series.

As of now, we know it remains effective for five years. Beyond that, nobody knows for certain, but much like any other vaccine, it likely won't provide lifelong immunity and will eventually require boosters.

In Europe, there have been reports of fatalities linked to the vaccine. While nothing has been officially proven, there were young women who passed away just a day or two after receiving the shot, leading to speculation that the vaccine might be the cause, even though a definitive link hasn't been established.

The ideal candidates for vaccination are young women who have not yet been sexually active, as their chances of having contracted HPV are extremely low (though HPV has been detected in virgins as well, and once you look into why, it makes sense). However, women who have already been sexually active can still get vaccinated, but there is uncertainty regarding how fully it will work if they have already been exposed. If a woman doesn't go for regular screenings or if the virus is lying dormant, she might not even know she carries it. For instance, if someone already has a specific strain included in the vaccine, the shot won't protect them from that particular type, though it would cover the other three strains provided by the shot.

Ultimately, the physical changes caused by HPV—such as genital warts or CIN—can be treated and removed quite effectively, allowing for a normal life afterward. This is why regular Pap smears are so vital; they catch these changes early before they progress to carcinoma. One should undergo a Pap smear annually regardless of whether they have a long-term partner, because HPV can remain latent and passive for up to 14 years before suddenly activating and causing issues.

HPV is essentially the plague of this century; roughly 80% of sexually active women will come into contact with the virus at some point. Some develop symptoms while others don't. It is important to note that condoms do not offer full protection; they reduce the risk, but since HPV can reside on the groin, near the anus, the vulva, or the penis, skin-to-skin contact alone is enough for transmission. Even virgins can contract it through simple genital contact if their partner is infected.

There are further theories regarding transmission—such as through restrooms, exam tables, towels, tanning beds, or even clothing—though none of these have been scientifically proven.

I hope this provides at least a small measure of clarity.

Personally, I am not in favor of the vaccine because I am not willing to gamble with my life. Perhaps I would consider it if it offered total protection against all types, but since it only covers four out of fifty-plus, it offers me absolutely no guarantee whatsoever.

HPV isn't some plague, and honestly, it’s totally curable. I know at least ten people in my own life who have dealt with this. The thing is, you can clear it using homeopathy and alternative methods (and yes, I mean CURABLE—no relapses, though you could technically get reinfected later). You won't hear that from your average doctor, mostly because: a) they just don't know
b) nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them.

It’s honestly heartbreaking. So many women are suffering today, worrying constantly and battling cancer, when there are actual ways to handle this. The info is out there if you actually look for it. The catch? You aren't going to find it at every clinic. (Don't get me wrong, there are wonderful doctors out there. For instance, a dear friend of mine was lucky enough to have a gynecologist who actually pointed her toward homeopathy and gave her real guidance.) But then you run into the ones who simply don't know. And look, ignorance isn't an excuse. Big Pharma has done a hell of a job making sure that's the case, but that’s a whole other conversation about the "disease industry," and I really don't have the energy to go down that rabbit hole right now.

I wouldn't vaccinate my child. In fact, I wouldn't do anything to hurt or endanger my kid, period. What's happening lately is such a disgrace, it truly makes my skin crawl! 😱

Copied from a Facebook group:
There are reports of 31 girls in America who died after receiving this vaccine. On top of that, there have been at least 9,000 reported adverse reactions. Even the manufacturers have admitted they couldn't actually prove the product prevents the specific cancer it targets.
In the clinical trials, nobody in the study—whether they were in the control group or the placebo group—actually developed HPV-related cancer. That's mostly because the incubation period is 15 to 20 years; usually, by the time a woman is diagnosed (averaging age 47), she likely contracted the virus back in her thirties. But the longest trial lasted less than four years. Plus, the companies say the protection only lasts about five years max. That basically means you're looking at a lifetime of endless booster shots.
What the big pharma companies aren't telling us is that this is one of the priciest vaccines out there, costing around $360 for a single three-dose series. They also stay quiet about the known carcinogenic and estrogenic compounds being injected into women, or the scary reality that they haven't even tested whether the shot might actually trigger more cancer cases than it prevents.
Gabi Swank is just one of the girls losing her life to this. It turns out her condition was terminal due to the shot. There isn't even a cure for these side effects from this awful vaccine. She suffers from seizures and can't even make it to school anymore. She used to be right there on the Varsity cheerleading squad, but now she can't even be active. She was perfectly healthy until the shot, and then just an hour later... her first seizure. Now, the companies are pushing to vaccinate boys too, under the logic that they could potentially carry cervical cancer and pass it to their daughters.
All in All, this medicine is a total hoax! People are dying, and it's being swept under the rug! Spread the word and please, don't take the shot.

We DON'T want to be another statistic.