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crimsonjackal63 said:I ovo:CHICAGO — A famous actor René Bitorajac He’s heading back to the local municipal court soon—all because of that old parking lot blowout at the Los Angeles Convention Center back in April 2004, when... So, some parking attendant named Ivica Suton ended up with a broken arm—thanks to someone using a metal rod. Just another day in paradise, I guess.
René Bitorajac is... It’s already because of that attack on Suton. Sentenced to ten months of probation with a three-year suspended term....which basically means they aren't allowed to commit a crime during that window. Now, Suton—that actor—is actually out there demanding... $20 Regarding the compensation claim.
René Bitorajac is at it again—this time making waves around the local fairgrounds. It’s honestly becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it? He’s always stirring the pot, and frankly, I can't tell if he's doing it for the laughs or just to see how much chaos he can cause before someone steps in. He’s got that specific way of leaning into the controversy—kind of blunt, kind of loud—that makes you want to either cheer or roll your eyes, depending on how much coffee you've had. This latest stunt at the fair is classic René; he knows exactly which buttons to push to get everyone talking. It’s all part of the act, I suppose, but man, it definitely keeps things interesting. Just my 2 cents.
William Bennett53 said:At first glance, this thread appears to be about censorship on the forum, but after scrolling through less than a page of posts, it becomes clear that we are actually witnessing a desire for societal censorship. Specifically, all the deleted posts focus exclusively on the individual who performed that little song number, starting with unverified claims that he got into high school through some sort of connection—which might be true or entirely fabricated, but frankly, it doesn't matter since he certainly wasn't pulling any strings as a teenager. As previously noted, numerous posts making similar claims about Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović were also removed. Comparing comments about Kolinda's weight to this isn't a valid parallel because: 1. nobody here is debating, for instance, René's baldness, 2. René isn't an official or even a politician, but an artist, so whether his record is spotless is irrelevant, and 3. Kolinda is a figure on the political stage; she is a politician and the president of our beautiful nation.
Furthermore, why do I believe this is about a desire to censor rather than an attempt to prevent it?
And then:
So, even though he isn't an official or a politician, he is expected to watch what he says. His moral responsibility stems from the fact that, as an actor, part of his income comes via a contract (which I assume isn't a standard employment contract) with a theater funded by the city, and since the city is a local government unit within the United States, essentially, the state is paying René. Following this logic, a janitor wouldn't be allowed to express an opinion publicly either if he works as a contractor sweeping floors at a stadium, simply because sports teams are funded by taxpayer dollars and the man is effectively on the government payroll.
Finally, because of all this, he shouldn't "contribute to negative societal trends," but rather "work for the general welfare." It seems "negative societal trends" are apparently created whenever someone dares to speak up against the nationalist-conservative mainstream. Thus, the issue isn't what René sings (about which he may or may not be right), but rather that his singing points it out. Should we stone the boy who shouts "the emperor has no clothes" just because he took a lollipop from the table without asking and shouldn't be helping people realize the emperor is naked?
In my view, deleting posts—which, having been done thousands of times, is the most standard moderator action to prevent a discussion from spiraling or being derailed—was entirely justified.
William Gonzalez3 said:That’s just not true.
My post had absolutely nothing to do with him as an individual.
I was focusing entirely on the song—and, I suppose, offering a quick word of praise to my fellow moderator for his surgically precise dissection of our daily reality.
If even the super-moderators are making these kinds of slips, then I guess it’s no wonder the regular moderators end up acting quite foolishly.
Furthermore, from what I’ve been able to see, nobody was actually calling for René Bitorajac to be banned from discussing certain topics.
The point was simply questioning how someone—a convicted violent offender who attacked another person with a metal rod—can put himself in such a high moral position to critique social reality.
It seems like a perfectly legitimate question to ask, regardless of how much people try to silence it—or, you know, delete the very posts that bring it up and then accuse anyone who questions censorship of being part of the problem.
William Bennett53 said:🤦 This isn't your appeal, and I haven't been looking through your posts, nor do I know if there are any deleted ones in that thread. I am talking about the posts belonging to Michelle Evans, who submitted an inquiry regarding her own posts.
William Gonzalez3 said:🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦
Well, of course—she was the one lodging the complaint, whereas the rest of us forum members—myself included—only stepped in to thank the moderators for cleaning things up and to commend them for doing a solid job.
If we actually wanted to lodge formal complaints, I suppose we would have all just started our own separate threads to vent, wouldn't we?
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William Bennett53 said:In your very first post in this thread, you were clearly just trolling, and if memory serves, not a single moderator even acknowledged it. If there was some underlying desire for you to express regret, well, it certainly escaped us.
But moving past that, I was responding to the general inquiry, not specifically to you, so I trust we can consider this misunderstanding resolved.
Look, setting that aside—I was actually responding to a question from the heavens, not to you specifically, so I really hope we can just put this misunderstanding behind us.
lonebadger6 said:It’s quite a marvel, really; there are so many posts here criticizing Bitorajac and his song, yet they actually stay on topic, aren't trolling, and remain perfectly civilized...
William Gonzalez3 said:Are you suggesting that the comments from Mark Harris66, feralpilot0, and Matthew Castillo5 are actually trolling, uncivilized, or off-topic?
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It’s quite a miracle, really, how you only seem to delete posts that happen to be negative toward Bitorajac and his song.
lonebadger6 said:No, what I'm actually saying is this:It’s quite a miracle, really, how you only seem to delete posts that happen to be negative toward Bitorajac and his song.
Pure trolling, 🍿
Just like this inquiry, since it's basically just a list rather than an actual attempt at a coherent post...
Which you clearly know all too well 🍿 ☕ 🎉 🐔 🙂
Matthew Castillo5 said:If my post wasn't trolling, uncivilized, or off-topic (and it wasn't—you can check the thread regarding appeals against cards), then why on earth was it deleted?
lonebadger6 said:Your post was definitely off-topic, and honestly, I’ll be the first to admit I was an idiot for even chiming in... basically, I shouldn't have pointed out that a post about René Bitorajac and his song "Me, Americans" shouldn't be drifting into discussions about the old regime...
Matthew Castillo5 said:I also want to express my frustration regarding the fact that William Gonzalez3, a fellow forum member and moderator, received a card and ended up banned just for defending me and two of my colleagues... 👎