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What's the most important ingredient in music?

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Kimberly Rodriguez5 Kimberly Rodriguez5 Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#21 ·
rowdyridge3 said:Yeah, but honestly, what really gets under my skin is when someone—especially a singer—has absolutely everything going for them, you know? Like, the voice is incredible, the lyrics actually mean something, the melodies stick in your head, and let's not even get started on the fact that they're stunning... yet people still decide to go out of their way to tear them down for no reason at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydw5qIycHE0
Just look at this video; there are plenty of critics tearing this music video to shreds. Come on, fellas, please, can any of you honestly look at her right here and tell me she isn't gorgeous??? Seriously...😍😍 😍 😍 😍

And don't even get me started on the real issue here, which is that modern music is basically just garbage nowadays. It’s all manufactured junk. When everything being pumped out is total trash, how is a genuinely talented singer ever supposed to show off what they can actually do?
Sophia Adams16 Sophia Adams16 Newcomer
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#22 ·
Here’s my bottom line: it all comes down to the vocals, the lyrics, and the composition. To be honest, there’s a lot in here that rubs me the wrong way on the first listen. But the more I sit with it, the more it starts to grow on me. I can't quite put my finger on why that is, but it's happening.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...J6i8igKyj8y1BA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txtqFA05yco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGX_YZF2dY0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...E4OMjAK30J2uBA
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...JInAigLbkpG2BA
Kimberly Rodriguez5 Kimberly Rodriguez5 Newcomer
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#23 ·
Oh, come on, don't even get me started on this... I’m telling you, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: most of what’s being churned out today is absolute garbage. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of talented singers out there—real artists who actually have some soul—but the real tragedy? It’s the songwriting. The song selection is just a total mess these days, isn't it?
Sarah Wood8 Sarah Wood8 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#24 ·
rowdyridge3 said:Yeah, but what really gets to me is when someone—especially a singer—has everything going for them (great vocals, great songwriting, catchy melodies, and let's face it, she's gorgeous) and people still decide to go out of their way to tear her down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydw5qIycHE0
Take a look at the people trashing this video. Come on, guys, can you seriously tell me she isn't stunning??? especially in this shot...😍😍 😍 😍 😍


Look, I don't know her discography inside and out, but this track is perfectly fine—it's solid. The thing is, it was written in 1990, and you just can't compare the vibe of that era, or the general cultural spirit of that time, to how things work today. Back then, if you wanted to stay on the Billboard charts, even if you had to follow certain trends regardless of how plastic or artificial they felt, having a killer melody was a non-negotiable prerequisite. Who's performing it, the production quality, all that matters, but those secondary details aren't nearly as vital as they are to those miserable, joyless little critics who have nothing better to do with their lives.
And honestly, whether she’s hot or not isn't even the point; what matters is that a female artist knows her craft. Personally, I’m not interested in watching music videos filled with models posing around or just showing off skin; I care more about charisma. But charisma doesn't mean squat if the song itself is garbage.
Here’s what I consider truly charismatic paired with actual good songwriting. It has nothing to do with physical looks, and no amount of facial beauty can ever replace this kind of talent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTLqRFKjAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TZoHNQCKA
and of course:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmsRFrN97ek
reddrifter15 reddrifter15 Newcomer
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#25 ·
The tracks tend to be pretty long, so you're looking at at least a 7-minute runtime

progressive metal 🙏
rowdyridge3 rowdyridge3 Member
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#26 ·
James Kelly said:Look, I don't know much about her music, but this is actually pretty solid. It’s fine. But here’s the thing: you can't compare a song written in 1990 to anything today. You can't measure it against the current vibe or the general spirit of this era. Back then, if you wanted to stay on the charts—even if you had to follow some plastic, manufactured trend—you still needed a damn good melody. Who was singing it and how the production sounded mattered, sure, but those things weren't everything. Not compared to the songwriting. All that other stuff doesn't even matter to those soulless, pretentious little critics who have nothing better to do with their lives.
Look, whether she's hot or not doesn't even matter at this point. What actually matters is if a woman knows her craft. Honestly, I’m not interested in watching music videos filled with models posing around or just guys and girls stripping for the camera. To me, charisma is way more important—but let's be real, charisma doesn't mean a damn thing if the song itself sucks.
Here’s what I consider a truly charismatic, great song. It doesn't have anything to do with physical looks—no amount of facial beauty can ever replace the kind of impact this track has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTLqRFKjAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TZoHNQCKA
And of course:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmsRFrN97ek

I’m obsessed with 80s and 90s music—take Taylor Swift fans, for example, they get it—but honestly, today's music just doesn't hold a candle to that era. It can't compete, especially when you look at those beautiful, romantic tracks we used to have back then.
analogpilot382 analogpilot382 Active Member
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#27 ·
Megan Rodriguez44 said:even a pinch of bouillon cube

👍

even decent soy sauce isn't half bad... (unless they actually happen to be good people 🙄 )...
rapidskipper36 rapidskipper36 Newcomer
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#28 ·
Everything matters... everything, seriously... at least for me.

First off, you’ve got the performers, then there's the actual subject matter, followed by the instruments, the melody, the rhythm, the tempo, and obviously the lyrics... I look at all of it. If a song hits every single one of those marks, I'm sold. Though lately, I don't know, I've just been obsessing over the lyrics above everything else. It’s like I’m stuck in this weird headspace where nothing else seems to land😁... hahaha..
quietpilot87 quietpilot87 Active Member
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#29 ·
Jonathan Ramirez6 said:So, what actually makes music worth your time? What makes you respect it or obsess over it...
What’s that secret sauce—that one ingredient that, if missing, just leaves a track feeling empty?
Look, I get that great music is usually some perfect cocktail of different
qualities, but I’m trying to narrow it down. Can you pinpoint one or maybe two specific things you hunt for when you're looking for more tracks that hit that exact same sweet spot?

Rhythm. Hands down.
And the energy has to be driving—it needs to build. Hard to put into words, really. 😁 I can't stand underground stuff.
As for lyrics? Honestly, I barely even notice them.
Frank Watson5 Frank Watson5 Member
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joined Jun 2007
#30 ·
For me, it really doesn't matter if we're talking about the melody, the rhythm, the vocals, or how the artist looks—it all boils down to one thing: the whole vibe has to feel effortless and just... solid. You know, that kind of above-average quality that hits right. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I hate it when someone's overcompensating into the mic with a sour expression, or when their body language is doing way more work than the actual song. What do I know? I just like it when a track flows naturally—when it's good, but you don't feel the strain of the performance. It needs to feel fresh, no matter how many times you've played it...
Michelle Sanchez3 Michelle Sanchez3 Newcomer
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#31 ·
I suppose for me, the most important thing is really the transition phase 🙏 🙏 🙏
Paul Mitchell98 Paul Mitchell98 Member
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#32 ·
As a guitarist, the solo is everything to me...
hollowseal33 hollowseal33 Member
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#33 ·
Paul Mitchell98 said:As a guitarist, the solo is everything to me.

🙏

The 😍 factor is what matters most!
Kyle Watson8 Kyle Watson8 Member
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#34 ·
The color of those boxers... :/ and that moment when you look back and realize you're staring right at the abyss :P
rustywalker36 rustywalker36 Newcomer
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#35 ·
Everything matters—the way the harmony, rhythm, and melody all mesh together into one cohesive thing. It’s about that total integration of sound.
And honestly, sometimes I just get hit by those tracks that trigger this massive wave of nostalgia for the past. It can be pretty overwhelming if you let it.
James Evans78 James Evans78 Newcomer
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#36 ·
It depends...
hmmm...
I suppose you could call it energy—or maybe just a specific percentage of pure madness bleeding into the tracks, the playing, the whole stage presence...

But honestly, I live for those moments when the music lets me feel exactly what the artist was feeling—you know, when the sound actually starts talking back to you...

A perfect example of that would be the band Sixx and their track "a.m."
Andrew Ramos10 Andrew Ramos10 Active Member
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joined Jul 2007
#37 ·
The rhythm, the tone, the melody
Ashley Perez62 Ashley Perez62 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2006
#38 ·
It might sound like a cliché, but music literally feeds my soul

When I get home from work, I always pull up YouTube to catch whatever music videos I've been obsessed with lately—usually a handful of tracks I just have to hear every single day. Don't get me wrong, I love the visuals, but the music is what matters; I just use YouTube because the selection is massive and everything is easy to find—I've definitely moved away from using CDs...

I’m big on electronic music: electro, techno, breakbeat, deep house—but it has to be well-produced, not some mindless, repetitive noise

I crave that edge in electronic tracks—that sharp, filtered electro sound that hits just right...

I love the sense of space in electronic soundscapes—and beats that actually make sense, rather than those stupid, overextended builds

I feel this kind of music in my bones—when I dance to it, I don't need much else to "get" it. It’s visceral. I feel this constant urge to map out every single sound through movement—this intuitive, spontaneous way of dancing where my hand or foot seems to anticipate the next second of audio, syncing up perfectly. It’s just... total immersion

I enjoy pop too, provided it has some actual identity—for that, I usually lean toward the 80s or early 90s

There was just more soul back then—everything today feels so forced

For instance, with classical, nothing moves me quite like the highs and lows of the violin and its kin—Vivaldi, for example, conjures images of bright sunlight in my mind, while Smetana’s version of the Mississippi River captures the sheer mass of a great river

And Enye Carribean's "Blue" has this opening that reminds me of looking out over the open ocean from a small plane skimming the water—it captures that total intoxication of being at sea

The flow of Enye Orinoco gives me visions of massive waterfalls shattering into mist—it looks like gazing down at Earth from orbit, watching the planet shimmer. It feels like an epic journey, and that choir at the end of Orinoco Flow? It feels like some spirit is merging with you (gives me chills every time)

I love the harp in that same way

Vangelis is in a league of his own—his music triggers such intense mental imagery:
Antarctica—sounds so pure they mimic the cold, like gliding between icebergs with glimpses of a dark, navy, almost black ocean underneath
Alpha—that blue chill and the distant echo of a star
Intergalactic radio station—the intro describes the crushing weight and vastness of space, followed by that constant drone of a radio frequency traveling through the void

enigma—Age of Loneliness—that indigenous vocals; it's like a call from the future, stretching me through time until I'm left with this ache in my throat, followed by goosebumps from something much larger and beautiful
Engima—TNT for the Brain—that steady opening sound—cold, dangerous, mystical; it's a journey into the self

So, that's basically it. That's what I look for. But mostly, I love synesthesia—when music can trigger all the senses like that. If it pulls that off, it's good music in my book
Carl Myers3 Carl Myers3 Newcomer
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#39 ·
It’s all about that melody for me—take something like "Voodoo People," for example. It’s got this totally wild, unconventional melody that somehow manages to be super chill and high-energy at the exact same time, and honestly, I'm really digging the beats too.

I’m not usually one for vocals, but man, I could listen to Eros Ramazzotti all day long. Even though I can't understand a single word he's saying, his songs just completely mesmerize me; there's just something different about his sound compared to everyone else.
Melissa Torres4 Melissa Torres4 Member
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#40 ·
The main thing for me is whether the music is actually pushing boundaries (?).

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