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ironscout10 ironscout10 Active Member
60 messages
joined Oct 2009
#2261 ·
Look, can we please not trash this thread with useless crap? We all know how this goes—it’s old news at this point. If someone is being dense and just refuses to wrap their head around the obvious, honestly, that’s on them, not me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6_O3XL1qw4 - THE BIG GAME CALL-OUT part II
Edward Hernandez332 Edward Hernandez332 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2006
#2262 ·
Keith Cook2 said:man

Who was actually stopping the Cleveland fans—we’re talking a massive crowd of maybe 15,000 to 20,000 people—from absolutely tearing through Indianapolis? I watched the whole damn game, and honestly, you guys were playing so poorly you couldn't even find an opening if you tried—you were basically just hovering three inches away from the goal line without ever making a move...
Personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing you guys take the championship back then, but seriously, man, letting yourselves get blown out by three goals in Cleveland? That's just pathetic...

And who's stopping you from being a rational human being?
We desperately needed any kind of win, and we came so close to pulling it off
Carol Wright9 Carol Wright9 Member
21 messages
joined Jun 2023
#2263 ·
I don't have an issue with any of it, except for the reaction from the entire Madison Square Garden crowd—it was just theft after theft. But look, if someone ruins your shot at a championship with some reckless move in the final minute, only to have your goal overturned right at the buzzer, you’d expect them to burn down the whole town, torch the stadium, and start trekking toward New York City on foot. Instead, everyone just sits there quietly.
Edward Hernandez332 Edward Hernandez332 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2006
#2264 ·
Austin Watson38 said:Look, I don't have an issue with any of the technicalities—it was stolen, plain and simple. But what really gets me? It’s the reaction from the hardcore fans and everyone else at Madison Square Garden. I mean, seriously? If someone ruins your shot at a championship with some reckless mistake in the final minute—if they strip away a winning goal right at the buzzer—you’d think people would want to burn the whole municipality down, torch the stadium, and start marching all the way to D.C. out of pure rage. Instead? Nothing. Just total silence.

And honestly, this hits the nail on the head.😢
It’s just a damn shame... the heartbreak was just too much to handle.
Nathan Ramirez11 Nathan Ramirez11 Member
49 messages
joined Feb 2010
#2265 ·
Austin Watson38 said:Look, I don't have an issue with anything else here except how the hardcore fans and the rest of the Madison Square Garden crowd reacted. Sure, they stole it, but if someone ruins your shot at a championship by being reckless in the final minute—and then has a goal wiped off the board right when you think you've won—you’d expect them to burn down the whole town, torch the stadium, and start marching all the way to D.C. on foot. Instead? Absolute silence. Nothing. Just sitting there.


I wrote this exact same thing a year ago, but I just can't stay quiet anymore... All they had to do was beat Indianapolis in that one single game in front of a packed Madison Square Garden. They should've bitten an Indianapolis player's leg off in the first minute. They should've intimidated them. They should've practically taken the Indianapolis goalie's eye out around the 15th minute! They should've put five goals up in the first half! But no. They walked out there like total wimps, thinking the win would just fall into their laps. Meanwhile, those Indianapolis guys were playing like their lives depended on it for a few thousand bucks a head... and then the ref hands them a penalty to tie it up. 🙄... There isn't enough political influence in the world that could have stopped them from steamrolling Indianapolis on their own turf that day. And the fans? They should've been more intimidating, not just waiting to celebrate in the stands. It’s easy to whine about the 93rd minute after the fact.🤷

Later.
Paul Carter5 Paul Carter5 Active Member
60 messages
joined Nov 2013
#2266 ·
The upcoming topic is about putting those transparencies under lock and key; does anyone actually have any intel on this?🤷
http://img43.imageshack.us/i/dsc00651bx.jpg/
Raymond Gonzalez Raymond Gonzalez Member
45 messages
joined Oct 2012
#2267 ·
Can I join in on this discussion? 😍

First, my position is that Cleveland should have absolutely crushed Indianapolis and deservedly celebrated the championship after such a grueling season. That wasn't the case, and frankly, I hold the players accountable for folding under pressure and blowing it right at the finish line. Furthermore, the club's performance actually exceeded what management expected—management which, much like today, seems to prefer wandering aimlessly and improvising...

Second, regardless of what I just mentioned, Cleveland had a perfectly legitimate goal disallowed. Mathematically speaking, it doesn't matter how we played that day; if it had been 2:1, we would have an extra trophy sitting in our display case right now. Certain circles clearly had their "insurance" placed within the officiating crew, while simultaneously nudging the Indianapolis players along. I'm not even certain if every player on the Cleveland roster was truly willing to win...

Third, I initially thought there should have been some sort of incident, but why should the storefronts, cars, or other property in our city take the blame? There was no one to lynch; John Smith and Robert Jones were safely tucked away, the police remained restrained, and the Wildcats weren't even present, as per usual. Take that into account. It was the complete opposite of the 1994 Cup final, where a massive brawl erupted with the police at the end of the game, leaving people beaten and injured on both sides...
Laura Parker19 Laura Parker19 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Apr 2009
#2268 ·
Austin Watson38 said:I don't care about any of that other stuff, but man, the reaction from the hardcore fans and the rest of the crowd at Madison Square Garden was just... wow. I mean, yeah, they got robbed, but if someone ruins your shot at a championship with some reckless call in the final minute—like, nullifying a goal right at the buzzer—you’d expect people to burn the whole town down, torch the stadium, and start marching toward D.C. on foot, but instead? Absolute silence.

This is what's been eating at me for 11 years now.🤷

Look, I’m basically an opposing fan, but I’m also just a local living in this city. I went to that game out east, but because the crowds were so insane, I ended up missing my crew and had to watch the whole thing solo in the stands.

The second that goal gets called back, I’m jumping on the railing, shaking the damn thing, just looking for anyone to go off on, trying to figure out how to vent all that rage—and then I look around, and there are 7,000 or 8,000 people just standing there, staring blankly. As soon as the ref blows the final whistle, everyone just turns around and walks out. For the first time in my life, I actually understood the true meaning of WTF.
I couldn't believe it. Here I am, someone who doesn't even root for the home team—hell, I usually have nothing but bad experiences with their fans—😍and I’m ready to take action, totally losing my mind, while everyone else is just chill. Just typical laid-back locals, too polite to even voice a grievance, while the big shots over at Central Park are throwing a victory party.👎

And you, man, you’re driving me crazy.😠

Seriously, would Caves ever stop trying to find a way to talk trash about the Kansas City Chiefs or the Wildcats in every single thread?🤣
Betty Ramos2 Betty Ramos2 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Feb 2007
#2269 ·
Paul Carter5 said:Since we're talking about having our signs confiscated and locked away—does anyone actually have the scoop on this?🤷
http://img43.imageshack.us/i/dsc00651bx.jpg/

Unless you're planning on just holding up a photo of your own sign... because apparently, Nathan Ramirez11 is just out here copying yours...
belvederić...
Jonathan Smith12 Jonathan Smith12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Jul 2012
#2270 ·
Nathan Ramirez11 said:I actually wrote something similar about a year ago, but I just can't keep it bottled up anymore... they really should have just crushed Indianapolis in that one match in front of a packed Madison Square Garden. Honestly, if they had just come out swinging in the first minute—maybe even taking a player from Indianapolis out with a hard tackle—or if they had used their sheer presence to intimidate them, or if they had nearly taken the eyes out of the Indianapolis goalie by the 15th minute, or heaven forbid, put five goals on the board in the first half... but no, they just wandered out there like total pushovers, acting as if victory would just fall into their laps, while the folks from Indianapolis were practically bleeding for every single cent of those prize winnings. And then, to top it all off, the ref hands them a penalty to level the score! 🙄... there isn't any amount of influence or behind-the-scenes maneuvering that could have stopped them from steamrolling the Indianapolis crew on their own turf that day. Even the Wildcats should have been a little more intimidating instead of just waiting to celebrate in the stands. It’s always so much easier to whine about it after that 93rd-minute heartbreak. 🤷

adio

Given the atmosphere of that game, you absolutely had to win. If I recall correctly, Indianapolis played without committing a single dirty foul. I honestly walked away with the feeling that even they felt a bit embarrassed by how things ended.
A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#2271 ·
Laura Parker19 said:Seriously, shut your mouth 😠

🤷...no offense, friend...but I won't let anyone tell me that Cleveland didn't have it in them🤷...they just ran out there like they were playing against the Kansas City Chiefs at their home stadium...with every intention of crushing Indianapolis...
But be real for a second...did they actually have the heart for it? Because based on how they played, it was honestly embarrassing...
The only thing I don't get is why nobody wants to own up to it...I mean, if we can yell at the players for being soft during the game, why can't we say after the whistle that they played like absolute garbage? They had a legitimate shot at qualifying for Europe, but they blew it...It wasn't the ref's fault, and it wasn't the coach's fault...it was the ownership and those limited, unmotivated players...
Why is no one from Cleveland willing—or able—to admit that? That on the day they missed out on the trophy, the players carried a huge chunk of the blame?
I never said anything about the other team dominating that entire era...🤷..
But Cleveland could have, should have, and absolutely had to win that championship...
Brandon Hill8 Brandon Hill8 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#2272 ·
Laura Parker19 said:This is the exact thing that’s been eating at me for 11 years now.🤷

Look, I’m basically a supporter of the rival crew, but I was just a local resident who showed up to that game on the east side. Because the crowds were so insane, I missed meeting up with my group, so I ended up watching the whole damn match sitting by myself on the stands.

The second that goal gets disallowed, I’m jumping on the railing, shaking the whole thing, looking around wondering how I’m going to lose my mind or scream at someone, and then I look around—and there are 7,000 or 8,000 people just standing there, staring. As soon as the ref blows the final whistle, everyone just turns around and walks out of the stadium. It was the first time in my life I actually understood what "WTF" meant.

I couldn't believe it. Here I am, someone who doesn't even root for Cleveland—actually, I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with their fans—😍 wanting to take action and being ready to go, completely losing it, and nothing happens. Everyone’s just chill, typical laid-back coastal types, "not wanting to make a scene or bother anyone," while the big shots over at Central Park are throwing celebrations.👎

And you, I swear, I'll knock some sense into you.😠

And Caves wouldn't be Caves if they weren't looking for a way to talk trash about the Kansas City Chiefs or the Wildcats in this thread.🤣

That’s exactly how the craziest fans act, acting like a die-hard Kansas City Chiefs fan, but get this—ironically, I'm against all of them...
Nice job pretending you know the local dialect of the city you live in!
A Anonymous Veteran
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#2273 ·
Raymond Gonzalez said:The 1994 Cup final was a completely different story—it ended in massive brawls with the crowd, leaving people on both sides beaten and injured.

And you forgot to mention people throwing huge rocks from the top of Madison Square Garden down at us below. If one of those hit someone in the head, they would have been dead on the spot or disabled for life.
Edward Hernandez332 Edward Hernandez332 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2006
#2274 ·
Anonymous said:Why won't anyone from Cleveland admit it—or even want to? That on the day they missed out on the trophy, the players themselves shared the blame?
I never once claimed that Dinamo wasn't pulling the strings during that era...🤷..
but Cleveland had the chance, the obligation, and the absolute necessity to take that championship home...

For the very last time, I’m saying this because it doesn't matter: we scored two regulation goals, and Indianapolis scored one. Simple math tells us it was our win. And yeah, let’s be real—our guys completely choked under the pressure. Everyone knows it...
A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#2275 ·
Edward Hernandez332 said:Look, let me say this one last time, because honestly, it doesn't even matter. We put two goals past them, and Indianapolis only managed one. It’s basic math—we won. And yeah, it’s pretty obvious our guys were totally rattled by the atmosphere...

..there's no such thing as "basic math" when it comes to soccer...
but whatever, I've said my piece...it's time for me to head out of this thread...I've kept things civil and stayed calm during this whole debate, so I'm done.☕
Robert Adams6 Robert Adams6 Active Member
94 messages
joined Sep 2011
#2276 ·
The crowd was solid yesterday.
I won't even touch the cheering; you all know how that goes.
Choreography? Fine. Flares? Fine.

One thing caught me off guard, though. I can't remember the last time I went to Madison Square Garden for a big derby and didn't see the West Stand absolutely packed to the rafters.
There were people there yesterday, sure, but it wasn't quite the usual turnout.
I know Cleveland is struggling right now, but honestly, even when things were looking grim last time, the stands were overflowing.
It probably has something to do with the big holiday weekend coming up,I’m pretty certain of it..

When the opposing team scored to make it 1-2, it looked like everyone just froze. You guys only managed to claw back to 2-2, but until then, we had you completely figured out.
I don't know who your next opponent is, but good luck moving forward. I say that from a fan's perspective, because let's face it—Cleveland isn't going anywhere either way.
Ethan Thomas10 Ethan Thomas10 Newcomer
1 message
joined Mar 2010
#2277 ·
I’m really not trying to be provocative here, but for heaven's sake, what on earth does Holy Saturday have to do with any of this? Do you honestly think people were too busy coloring Easter eggs to show up for the game? It’s just another Saturday like any other...
Robert Adams6 Robert Adams6 Active Member
94 messages
joined Sep 2011
#2278 ·
Believe me, it doesn't matter who you ask.
A die-hard fan usually won't mind, but for some people? It might be an issue—especially when you’re heading home from the stadium right in the middle of Easter traditions.

It was just another Saturday, but again—it all depends on the person!
Donna Garcia7 Donna Garcia7 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2011
#2279 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du15Y1ztE3A
A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#2280 ·
Samuel Evans86 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du15Y1ztE3A

That choreography is absolutely top-tier. Seriously impressive work—keep it coming!👍

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