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mellowhawk34 mellowhawk34 Active Member
61 messages
joined May 2016
#3361 ·
bluewalker92 said:OUR SEATTLE SOUNDERS FC—THE TEAM WE LIVE AND DIE FOR, WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE A ROCK TO THE HEAD FROM SOME INSECURE IDIOT.

God forbid.

But honestly, someone could just as easily die from those rockets you guys used to have.
Maybe ask your buddies how things went the last time they fired off all their missiles at the Demons.

Besides, calling people Mexicans like they're some kind of demons is just pathetic. You know your own stands well enough to realize we’re just as much Mexican as you are. But hey, if that makes you feel better, go right ahead. We aren't insecure enough to need to prove ourselves as "super Americans"—we already know exactly who we are.
loneridge23 loneridge23 Member
37 messages
joined Apr 2010
#3362 ·
Karen Turner50 said:I’m asking the Seattle Sounders FC fans and the supporters in the Armada to please stop cluttering up this forum... just post pictures, match reports, and leave it at that...

ONLY SEATTLE, ONLY ARMADA

As far as I'm concerned—and honestly, nobody would be happier than me if they didn't—you don't even have to post photos, but then again, if we're going to do things that way, it really ought to be official.
mellowhawk34 mellowhawk34 Active Member
61 messages
joined May 2016
#3363 ·
loneridge23 said:So what’s the story now? Why didn't you jump us in front of Joyce, and why were you chasing that one guy afterward?
Funny how your crew wasn't good enough back then—it was a mixed bag with plenty of older guys... but now that some thugs are showing up, suddenly you want the veterans.
Talk about double standards. It's not your game, so it's not our business when you guys got banned from playing Orijent on Wednesday.

Look, I already told you, we had our own game going on.
Back then, we played at 1 PM while San Francisco played at 3 PM just to keep the schedules clear.
Basically, before the San Francisco-Seattle match, we were hanging out on the north stands at Drozina. After the game, word from non-fans was that you guys were looking for our cafe, so we headed there, ran into a scout, and then the cops grabbed us.

Drew Robinson4
What haven't we decked? That's a stupid question because it's way too broad..
We've gone after yours, the Seattle locals, the Osage natives, whatever.. and we've taken hits from all of them too. We've still been standing since 1992.

We bleed green and yellow, wearing the crest that says California.
Raymond King47 Raymond King47 Member
26 messages
joined Feb 2012
#3364 ·
mellowhawk34 said:Reddit is honestly just a joke.
Anyone can sign up and pretend they’re some kind of big shot leader in their group.
But honestly, it’s just a reflection of how things work in our whole scene. If we actually had one decent forum dedicated to any of our groups—like they tried to do with Ultras America—you’d actually know who was behind which handle, and all this childish bickering wouldn't be happening.

If you look closely, only a handful of people are even posting about Demon.
That's basically 90% of the guys who actually show up to the games and actually know what they're talking about, unlike those keyboard warriors you see in other groups.
We've still got a long way to go before we really hit our stride, but we have everything we need to step things up significantly.

Don't worry about our hardcore core; instead, if you've actually got guts, just call out the thieves and the undercover agents within your own group so you can finally move in the right direction. You can't let a tiny handful of people keep dragging the whole group down. I'm sure you guys know exactly who they are and how to get moving again from this standstill.

After that trip to Aurora, you probably realized we aren't exactly easy prey.
Your crew is pretty pathetic, honestly.😉

we figured out you guys don't really know how to follow directions and you're more like: better to take a hit from one van than two small cars.
Raymond Booth55 Raymond Booth55 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Mar 2009
#3365 ·
mellowhawk34 said:Not everyone—three cars pulled up to the cafe, saw the police shaking us down on the street, and just kept driving.

I usually stay out of these debates—they’re endless loops, really.

But I will say this: our recent track record is actually better. Over the last few years, we've had clashes in Aspen and Boulder, fights outside Walmart and Monte Carlo, and in San Francisco after TE—you guys didn't even show up for that one.
Of course, it doesn't matter who was worse in the moment—things change, and the tide can turn by tomorrow.
Both sides are just regrouping before the next showdown.

I’ve been reading these back-and-forths and I just have to jump in. Look, mellowhawk34, you seem to pride yourself on being objective here on Reddit, but I asked you once before: where exactly did that Boulder clash happen? Your answers were always "who knows" or some vague nonsense. So now, in front of the whole community, I'm asking again—since you don't bring your gear to away games and you hold your ground at home, there shouldn't be any mystery. WHERE DID BOULDER HAPPEN? Give me the exact location, the numbers, and tell me if it was unopposed. But let's face it, there isn't an answer because, theoretically, it couldn't have happened anywhere—because, as everyone knows, you don't carry gear to away matches; you hold it down at home. If the Demons had just admitted they got knocked off the fence during the Seattle vs. Hajduk match, they would have been honest. Instead, they hide behind forum posts saying "who knows," which is just weak internet behavior. In my opinion, that Boulder incident is a bigger stain on the Demons than a win, because they tried to mask the truth: they actually got taken down during the pure chaos of celebrating the Seattle vs. Hajduk 2:1 game (which, by the way, cost you the championship at home). Now, I’d love to see an objective comment from someone from, say, Savannah on this post—I wouldn't expect it from a San Francisco local like you—but I’ve laid out the question: WHERE, WHEN, and HOW? Just please, don't give me the "who knows" or "not for the internet" routine. And to all you passive observers: is this a fair assessment?
bluewalker92 bluewalker92 Newcomer
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#3366 ·
@mellowhawk34/">@@mellowhawk34
Look, I’m right there with you—rockets are just a total waste of resources. Absolute stupidity.

Now, saying this about the Mexicans might get me some heat, but let’s be real for a second: you can’t expect us to show up for a friendly match when the national team is facing a high-stakes qualifier. It’s basic logic. When they couldn't swing trips to Israel or Spain because the budget was tight, part of the squad ended up heading down to Savannah instead. If the national team were playing a massive qualifier in the middle of Chicago, you can bet your life nobody would have bothered showing up in Savannah...
Drew Robinson4 Drew Robinson4 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2010
#3367 ·
mellowhawk34 said:Drew Robinson4
What haven't we taken down? That's a stupid question because it’s way too broad...
We’ve beaten your lot, the Seattle locals, the folks from the Midwest, and so on—but we’ve also taken lumps from all those same groups. Regardless, we’ve been standing strong since '92.

We bleed for the green and yellow jerseys and that crest featuring the name of California.

I guess I'm more or less satisfied with that answer. Basically, you're saying "watch your backs" because they haven't quite caught on yet...

So, you're talking about the yellow and green... well, watch out, because according to some intel, during next year's winter preseason, a team like ADO Den Haag might be heading down to California for training—just so we don't end up with another suspicious transfer under the guise of "the club we're currently following"!

Cheers!

p.s. We've had enough of this two-way banter; I have work to get back to with my mercenaries—and honestly, you're right about them!

p.s.s. Maybe it won't be Den Haag, but it could easily be Nantes or maybe even Norwich City... who knows? The only thing that matters to me is seeing that yellow and green light shine behind my most hated red...
mellowhawk34 mellowhawk34 Active Member
61 messages
joined May 2016
#3368 ·
@Raymond Booth55/">@@Raymond Booth55
That’s exactly the point. You guys don't even know when or where that Boulder banner actually fell, or if another one could just drop like that again. As long as there's a chance something ends up back in our hands, I'm staying quiet.

@NŽ
See, you can be objective after all. Look, I get it—it's annoying when people write nonsense. But as a real fan, you should stay above the fray and not get dragged into petty arguments with just anyone. Sure, we poke fun at each other, but let's not let the conversation spiral out of control.
I'll give you credit, you were there. But what were the Demons supposed to do? Tear down Savannah or something? This is just unnecessary hype and tension before the big derby this Saturday.

@Raymond King47/">@@Raymond King47
Nobody from our side messed anything up, so talking about "what ifs" is just pointless.
We were right there, pushing into VG territory while facing a seriously formidable squad. Honestly, maybe you had your best lineup for those kinds of moves, but you know damn well our reaction caught you totally off guard.
If you actually look at the facts, the idea that someone could face consequences because some innocent bystanders were caught in the middle is complete nonsense.
Jonathan White57 Jonathan White57 Member
41 messages
joined Jul 2012
#3369 ·
Raymond Booth55 said:I’ve been reading these arguments for a while now and I just have to jump in. Look, mellowhawk34, you act like you're the most objective guy on this subreddit, but I've asked you before—where exactly did that banner fall? Your answers were always some vague "who knows" or "not for the internet." So, I’m asking you again in front of everyone here. Since they don't bring banners to away games and they stay put at their home stadium, there isn't really an "away" option. WHERE DID THE BANNER FALL? Give me the exact location, the crowd size, and tell me if they met any resistance. But there won't be an answer, because theoretically, it couldn't have happened anywhere else since they don't travel with them. If the Demons had just admitted they got pulled down from the fence during the Seattle vs. Hajduk match, we'd be talking about that, but instead, they hide behind "who knows" nonsense on forums. To me, that makes this whole incident more of a loss for the Demons than a win, because they used online stalling to cover up the fact that the banner was actually snatched during the pure chaos of the game when Seattle won 2-1 (and lost the championship at home). Now, I’d love to see an objective take from someone in a different city on this post, because I wouldn't expect it from someone in San Francisco, but I've laid out the question: WHERE, WHEN, and HOW? I just expect the answer won't be "who knows" or "not for the internet." And to all you passive lurkers: is this a fair assessment?


When you really think about it, you have to have some guts to pull that off. Sneaking onto an opposing side's section and getting caught with a banner... I felt the same way you did initially, but when I imagine what would have happened if they'd been busted (or if things went south in a small town), man, that's scary.

Also, I don't condone them breaking into facilities and stealing stuff just for online clout. All that does is prove you guys are nothing more than kleptomaniacs.

@ mellowhawk34, at least with you, one can have a decent conversation without all the "my dad is better than yours" nonsense.
Raymond Booth55 Raymond Booth55 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2009
#3370 ·
mellowhawk34;29423877 said:@Raymond Booth55
That’s exactly the point. You guys don't even know where or when that Boulder banner fell—or if another one might just vanish like that. As long as there's a chance something ends up back in our hands again, I'm staying quiet.

There it is—the classic response I expected from you. That’s what passes for "fan objectivity" these days! Someone actually objective should go back and read my question to mellowhawk34 and look at this reply. It’s so easy to dodge an actual issue with answers like "who knows" or "this isn't for the internet." For instance, how do you comment on things involving the IRRs? (Asking you specifically, since your specialty seems to be confiscating banners.) It’s easier to just sweep everything under the rug—or maybe you're just staying out of it because of those "good relations" with the Demons! Or take "my friend wob," who was absolutely losing it over the new stuff on Reddit; how do you view that? I'm intentionally calling out the Torcidin crowd just to see if they can manage to be objective for once.
mellowhawk34 mellowhawk34 Active Member
61 messages
joined May 2016
#3371 ·
Are you actually sure how he disappeared?
Like, 100% certain?
Look, speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I can tell you he didn't get taken in some brawl. It was pure trickery. But I'm never telling you exactly how it went down.
Samuel Morgan6 Samuel Morgan6 Member
49 messages
joined Oct 2013
#3372 ·
(a momentary lapse in judgment)
Patrick Johnson53 Patrick Johnson53 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2010
#3373 ·
So here's mellowhawk34 in action, unknown ☕

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7...9482183645.jpg
Brandon Hayes Brandon Hayes Newcomer
4 messages
joined Apr 2010
#3374 ·
Tensions are already starting to flare up ahead of the big rivalry game...
mellowhawk34 mellowhawk34 Active Member
61 messages
joined May 2016
#3375 ·
Patrick Johnson53 said:here's mellowhawk34

😁
Patrick Cooper86 Patrick Cooper86 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2014
#3376 ·
mellowhawk34 said:God forbid.

But then again, someone might actually get taken out by those outdated missiles you guys used to have.
Maybe ask your buddies how things turned out the last time they emptied their entire arsenal against the demon Mexicans.

Honestly, calling people demon Mexicans just makes you look ridiculous. You know damn well who sits in your own stands, so let me tell you—we’re just as much part of this fabric as you are. But if acting like that makes you feel better, go right ahead; we aren't so insecure that we need to prove we're "true Americans" just because we actually know who we are.

Are you really sure about that?😁
bluejackal11 bluejackal11 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2010
#3377 ·
A Derby??? 🤷🤷 What kind of Derby are we talking about here? Since when did Cleveland have a DERBY against General Motors—or whatever the hell their full name is now...

And seriously, you guys from San Francisco—do you actually, honestly believe that The Armada or any of the Cleveland fans would even consider traveling down to California to support us just because of some Demons or whatever you call yourselves?? That’s just ridiculous...

Besides, it's the same old story—everyone’s kicking up dust about The Armada again, right here in our own thread... honestly, just let us be! Go deal with your own drama and leave us alone for once... fine, we're the underdogs, so what? We're clearly just a bunch of losers in your eyes... 🤷🤷

GO CLEVELAND, GO ARMADA!!
Betty Ramos2 Betty Ramos2 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Feb 2007
#3378 ·
@vilete..

since you decided to call me out...my take is that none of this actually matters (regardless of how it went down). Honestly, The Armada basically engineered their own downfall with that amateurish way they handle banners, both out in public and at home. I mean, seriously—keep neighborhood protest signs in a single room? Look, guys from The Armada, don't quote me here because this is just my opinion, but the idea of doing that in my group is unthinkable—we aren't all cut from the same cloth, and that’s fine..
vilete, I’ll tell you this: I could go ask one of those Demons how their banner situation is going, but I honestly couldn't care less. From what I can see, the banner was confiscated, and The Armada is entirely responsible for their own mess.
We've reached a point where carrying a banner is a massive headache. Different groups handle these things in completely different ways.
I mean, imagine if some New York elites were hanging the most hardcore banner imaginable, while members of Tornado, Torcidin, and The Armada are sitting around wondering how those banners even ended up in their hands (and no, we shouldn't even have to be asking that ourselves)
Kenneth Campbell64 Kenneth Campbell64 Active Member
81 messages
joined Aug 2009
#3379 ·
The absolute nonsense is starting up again on the forums.
The fact that you guys got your asses handed to you over by Kroger, or that at Mote Zar you acted like total cowards attacking the US-Norway crew only to get knocked out way past the damn limit—can anyone actually deny that? You can try to sell me that pathetic excuse about how there was some "younger crowd" at Mote Zar, but save it for someone who gives a damn. We have the full list: names, surnames, addresses, birth dates... we know exactly everyone who was there, including those who ended up in the hospital and the ones from YOUR group who were crying like little babies in the hallway just to avoid getting hit. Your group, which starts throwing everything in sight once panic sets in! (And yeah, I know exactly who I’m talking about)

You’re acting like some kind of big shot, but what are you even playing at? Nobody was even calling you out because we were busy away on an away game in MLS! Show up now with the exact same crew and we’ll "honestly" find each other for a coffee, just so we can laugh at these stories about your "tough older" Armada that’s nothing but smoke and mirrors and never actually shows up!!! Go read for yourself how many away games you missed; Benjamin Hall already listed them all!

How can you even mention Naperville with any shred of dignity after that embarrassment? You showed up looking like a bunch of toddlers, arriving incredibly late!!!! We were literally laughing at you because of what kind of squad you brought; it was a joke, plain and simple. Risking a stadium ban for a crew like yours would be pure insanity, because then it would just be more excuses about how they were "too young"... honestly, seeing your panicked reaction just from us showing up was enough for us.

Aurora, hats off to the action and the crew running Cobra 11, you guys put up a hell of a fight, but after all the talk, you’re still the ones who took the bigger hit than we did. 😍
Just show up in Key West and try not to act like you did against Zilin😍
Raymond Gonzalez Raymond Gonzalez Member
45 messages
joined Oct 2012
#3380 ·
@bluejackal11, you were actually there when we visited the Golden ones.
But back then, you were playing against San Francisco, and on that specific day, your lot didn't even attempt a single attack on us. We were busy dealing with our own third-tier league and simply didn't notice you. However, once word got out after the match that you guys were scouting for our local bar, an I. scout came charging toward us like a reconnaissance unit. By the time you actually reached the cafe, the police already had us held up.

Are you quite certain about what you've written? You might want to think twice about that, especially since you list all those major Cleveland away games in California right at the start. It makes it look like you know more about Cleveland's preseason schedule over the last few years than your average local fan does.

Let me explain how I see things. In essence, you are a team that plays it "safe." You aren't the only ones; there are plenty of teams like that in this country. Once you assess that it's feasible, then you make your presence felt; otherwise, it just looks like you "don't acknowledge" the opposition.

I have already written quite extensively on this topic several times before, so I have no desire to be repetitive. It was your luck, coupled with our lack of will to chase you down properly. You have that entirely to blame yourselves for, because every time a group of 30+ gathered, you either had a scheduled trip to Palm Springs, a third-tier game, or some other escort duty... in short, you "didn't acknowledge us."

The only way you could possibly refute me is by bringing up Mote Zar, though my group has never had any issue admitting that, even if I wasn't personally there.

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