The Armada

From the center stands, the whole scene looked pretty intimidating back then...😁..those were the glory days..now we've got outsiders constantly interfering in the stands...👎..special agents have retreated to the bleachers..you know, those guys in plain clothes...😁🤣

coastalskipper17 said:Are these photos from that November 2nd, 2002 game? Is this the one where those thugs beat that guy from the rival fan club to death?

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5429/rihaj10r1kk.jpg Found a photo too.

Andrew White32 said:And while you're at it, could you please clarify who those thirty or so SWAT officers actually are—are we talking about the ones in the blue gear or the red?

It gets even better—did it seriously look like they were actually chasing you guys down?🤷

Let's just stop here...👍

Ethan Moore56 said:Even worse—you think they chased you guys off?🤷

Enough of this..👍

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But this part right here is the best, he says:

Ethan Moore56 said:Stupid argument. The group stormed the field, showed up right in front of the ultras, but didn't actually do anything besides some fans hitting the fence.Individual rushes onto the pitch wouldn't have ended well even if there were a few of them.So what? Just typical stuff...

Talking about "individual rushes" means out of a few hundred people in the East Stand, there were maybe 10 ultras present (which is clearly what he means by individual). What were the rest doing? Probably taking an "_how to be an ultra" seminar just watching those few guys. You're right though; back then, it was common to see hundreds of fans on the pitch every other game. Nothing special.😂

I was merely responding to your claim that the Torcida fans were left stranded in the stands—which, frankly, isn't true at all (even if you count just tearing down a fence as being "stuck").

Come on now, Crimson Tide fans, don't get all worked up.😍

That game was a total farce; those folks who actually managed to rush the field had to hold up signs over the razor wire just to be seen. Honestly, the whole match was a disaster—barely any cheering, just a lot of people looking sick to their stomachs. This was the last time we'll have to deal with those local vendors peddling overpriced snacks in the stands before they finally got kicked out for making a profit off us.

Just wanted to jump in on what Andrew White32 was saying, because honestly, those guys coming in from the North? They aren't exactly playing nice with anyone. I know plenty of crews heading up that way who couldn't care less about that wannabe armada, so they’re staying way clear of anything peaceful, if you catch my drift. And all this bragging about some 5-to-1 ratio? Give me a break. I was actually at that game, and let me tell you, even my grandma could have seen how trashed that guy was—he was half-drunk and high as a kite, seriously.

And honestly, looking at the layout of the Country Club grounds, it’s such a breeze to just cut from the west side over to the north, so I’m betting these guys did the exact same thing. I mean, I actually know these characters from their scouting trips, and trust me, they're always on the move for these guest appearances, so it makes total sense, doesn't it?

That’s right, the fans are absolutely unstoppable...☕

Fine, if you want to say it like that, but seriously, bragging about beating up some junkie five-on-one is just pathetic and straight-up shameful. The guy even said they were acting like some wild tribesmen after he laid them out, and honestly, if you hit up enough games, you’d recognize those faces—one of them was definitely spotted hanging around. He’s even got a tattoo on his leg of the American flag and his initial 👍

Look, nobody's out here praising someone for beating up a guy... Dalmosh tried to pull a stunt by tossing a trans individual over the fence where the peaceful fans hang out, right near the B-52 section 😁...and yeah, he got exactly what was coming to him...☕
And that footage from the '98 game? That’s just pathetic on the part of the ultras. What were you guys actually hoping for? For them to climb right over your fence so the cops could chase you through the stands? 🤷
Give me a break, seriously. The photos tell the whole story. You guys just stood there watching while they insulted you, threw stuff, and provoked you, doing absolutely nothing while a tiny little white fence was the only thing keeping you safe...☕

Andrew White32 said:🤣🤣

but this part right here is what really cracks me up, because he goes:

so you're saying there were just random rushes, like on the East Coast out of a few hundred people there were maybe only like 10 hardcore fans (which is probably what he means by "random") and what were the rest of them doing, just attending some "_how to be a superfan" seminar and watching those few guys to learn how it's done? I mean, you've got a point man, back then it was basically the norm to have a few hundred fans storming the field every other game, so yeah, plenty of stuff happened back in the day😂

I was actually at that game myself, and it's totally true that you guys made it over to our section and hung out for maybe two minutes before the cops started chasing you off... a handful of our guys managed to rush the field by tossing a banner over the barbed wire... those were the good old days... but what I'm trying to remember is, was that the same game where about 50 of us rolled in from San Diego on an Amtrak and totally wrecked the local team's homecoming party down at the cave? man, my memory isn't what it used to be...🤷

stormyseal9 said:Just to follow up on what Andrew White32 said—that idea about the northern groups being near the Sabana is nonsense. I know plenty of crews heading that way who refuse to deal with that wannabe armada; they’re nowhere near the peaceful side. And you guys keep bragging about that 5-to-1 ratio? I was at that game. Even my grandmother could have seen how wasted he was—halfway between drunk and high. That's the reality.

I didn't say those guys up north were losers; I said they were peaceful. If I have to explain my own damn point to you, then you're truly clueless. PS—don't worry about that wannabe militia. Looking at these pathetic posts, it’s obvious you’re still just some wannabe hooligan who can't actually pull it off.

stormyseal9 said:It's easy to move from the West to the North at Country Club, so they probably did the same. I know these guys' scouting patterns; they always travel for away games.

Traveling from the West Coast to the Northeast in such a short timeframe? Impossible. Those who claim they made it must have teleported.

stormyseal9 said:If that’s your take, fine. But bragging about beating up some junkie five-to-one is pathetic and shameful. The guy even said they looked like Native Americans after he laid them out. If you actually showed up to games, you’d recognize those faces—and one of them is pretty recognizable. He’s even got a tattoo on his leg of the American flag and his first initial.👍

You’re right. They should have met first to hold an open debate on who would tackle the bull. Then, they should have held a proper democratic vote to select a field representative, and finally, asked the police to open the gate.
The kid tried to act like a big shot. He got exactly what was coming to him.

hollowbear27 said:I was at that game.The truth is you only lingered at our forum for about two minutes. Before the police started cracking heads... a few of our guys managed to slip onto the field by tossing a banner over the barbed wire. Good old days. But I can't remember—was that the game where about 50 of us took a train down from San Francisco and completely hijacked the local committee's welcome party at the stadium? Memory's getting fuzzy.🤷

The guys brought tents before the game. The original plan was to head east, set up camp, and get a fire going before heading over to meet everyone. Instead, the tents and wood got soaked right at the entrance, so the whole "socializing" part lasted maybe two minutes. As for what you wrote further down—stay on topic. 🤣

The guys actually brought tents along before the game started, and the big idea was to head out east, pitch everything, and get a little campfire going before heading over to meet everyone... but since the tents and wood were basically gone right at the entrance, our whole hangout session ended up being a pathetic two minutes tops.. and hey, I won't start drifting away from the topic again 🤣

Alright, alright, I'll stop veering off track, I finally got the answer I was looking for anyway😁
Man, just like those good old days...

The cave incident definitely wasn't 98% certain when it happened, just like you said—bad memory🤷. I've heard 16 different versions regarding that event, so I'm not even going to bother discussing it. 🤷

Andrew White32 said:Man, that whole cave incident definitely wasn't 98% certain when it actually went down, you know? Like what you said, my memory's a bit fuzzy on the specifics...🤷 I've heard like 16 different versions of that story myself, so honestly, I'm not even gonna get into it right now... 🤷

It seriously blows my mind how many different versions there are☕ because everything seemed so crystal clear at the time... about 20 of our guys totally miscalculated things... I'll never forget that scene where a few of our crew started jumping off the train before it even came to a full stop... if you really want, I can post the whole story a bit later, and I'll try to be as objective as possible since I was right there as a witness to all of it... those were the good old days, you know, back when there wasn't any heavy-handed pressure and you could just talk to a guy man-to-man...

Terry Lee3 said:Let’s not get ahead of ourselves by acting like beating someone up is some kind of virtue... Dalmosh was just trying to clear out those "peaceful" fans hanging off the fence—you know, the ones who think they’re part of the Larry Rivera83 crowd😁...and well, he got exactly what was coming to him...☕

Those "peaceful" fans? Please. They wouldn't dream of touching an opposing supporter—they’d much rather corner some players from Cleveland (who are basically just strolling around the pitch anyway) than actually face off against the other side.😬

Terry Lee3 said:Look, there's really no point in acting like beating someone up is some kind of achievement... Dalmosh was actually trying to get a guy removed from the section by the fence where all the peaceful fans hang out, you know, the ones like Larry Rivera83😁

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Ethan Moore56 said:Cleveland vs. Miami, Dec 13, 1998.

"Soon the Cleveland fans approach the goal right near the angry ultras. About ten of them storm the pitch and clash with the Navy supporters. Other ultras are kicking and punching at the fence, trying to tear it down (it's easier for the Navy to enter the field since their section doesn't have barbed wire like the East stands). Eventually, about 30 SWAT officers force the Navy back toward the stands. Fifteen minutes after the whistle, everyone has basically cleared out except for the ultras waiting to be let out. One guy jumps the fence, runs to the West side where the Navy snatches two banners from the fence, then he sprints back to the East and tosses the banners to the ultras..."

tifo no. 27

That was a long time ago, so I decided to dig up some footage from that game. Here is a photo of those 30 SWAT guys and the Navy; it speaks for itself. They walked over to the East side, had a little scuffle with some security and cops, realized the hardcore ultras weren't going to bite on the provocation, and then the SWAT team arrived. You can see in the photo there was no "fleeing"—just a casual stroll back. As for the rest of what’s written in that overly dramatic fan report, I already told you, I don't think it happened like that.

stormyseal9 said:At that stadium, it's actually easy to move from the West to the North, so they probably did exactly that. I know these guys from scouting; they travel to away games.

Example of how easy it is to cross from the West to anywhere else. Bullsh*t.😁 😉

If being an ultra were easy, everyone would be one.😁

hollowbear27 said:The conflicting stories baffle me.☕ Everything was crystal clear. About 20 of your guys miscalculated. I still remember them jumping off the train before it even came to a full stop.If you want, I can post the whole story later. It'll be the most objective account you'll get from a bystander.Back in the old days, there was no crackdown. You could actually talk to a man.

😂 Don't hold back. 😂 Just write it out if you were there. Whatever happened, happened. Does this mean they should disband the group now?