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Magic Johnson: The GOAT, the king, the legend...

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wanderingorca9 wanderingorca9 Member
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#61 ·
Chris Lopez59 said:Magic Johnson decides games with his scoring more often these days, though he isn't the playmaker he used to be—not in that same way. Back then, he had this knack for making everyone else on the court look like superstars, whereas now, he’s mostly just taking matters into his own hands to tip the scales.

Either way, he’s usually the one carrying the national team, but I think I preferred the old Magic—the guy who might only drop two buckets but would hand out ten assists in the process...

Honestly, I’m starting to wonder if we’re even watching the same Magic Johnson at this tournament. From where I’m sitting, he is quite literally the alpha and omega of this squad—he’s the only one actually setting the tempo, serving up plays on a silver platter that our guys simply can't convert into points, running himself ragged on defense, and still scoring enough to lead the team in scoring like he hasn't aged a day.
He’s forced to play solo because, frankly, there isn't anyone else on this roster capable of stepping up—once the rest of the team inevitably loses their cool, Magic is the only one left they can pass to.
Without him, this national team is going to get absolutely blown out by something like 15 points every single night.
We might as well start bracing ourselves now.
Carol Green78 Carol Green78 Newcomer
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#62 ·
Michael Johnson
brighthawk20 brighthawk20 Member
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#63 ·
In both scenarios, it mostly benefits the national team, but I honestly preferred the old Magic Johnson—the guy who might only drop two points but will hand out ten assists instead...

But how can there be an "old" Magic Johnson?
By definition, an assist is a pass that actually leads directly to a goal.
He can dish out passes all day long (which he still does, if you ask me), but clearly, the rest of the squad just isn't in the mood to turn those opportunities into actual scores.

What we’re witnessing right now is the unprecedented performance of a single player taking everything onto his shoulders because there simply aren't any alternatives—technically or tactically.
The wings are non-existent, the shooters are mediocre at best, and the front line is just... okay, but certainly not enough for anything significant. It's beneath the standard we need.

Magic Johnson’s brilliance really shines through here—he's pure Michael Jordan.
When he realizes the team isn't going to help him, he just goes one-on-one against the opposition and delivers...

The term "HELLISH" should only apply to HELLISH Magic Johnson and his teammates... it doesn't work as a collective descriptor. Period. That's just the reality of it.
wanderingorca9 wanderingorca9 Member
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#64 ·
Kevin Morris12 said:(USA vs. Denmark) Magic Johnson: "To hell with this, we're playing like absolute garbage" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v63mHA0YTmo

😂😂🙏

🤣🤣

Yep...it’s pretty obvious who’s actually calling the shots here.
wanderingorca9 wanderingorca9 Member
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#65 ·
boldhound8 said:Respect to Magic Johnson🙏

A few mistakes today, sure, but he basically carried us through the whole thing🙏

The guy practically dragged the team to the semifinals all by himself—and people are still whining about a couple of errors... honestly, it's hard to believe...🤣
wanderingorca9 wanderingorca9 Member
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#66 ·
brighthawk20 said:Magic Johnson is hands down the greatest player to ever step onto a handball court—there’s just no precedent for it.
He’s always been bezkompromisan about his standards, and you can see it in how he commands the floor and then steps up as a leader on the sidelines during halftime or breaks.
Beyond just being the tournament MVP, you could easily hand him a trophy for best coach too... regardless of where we actually finish—whether we take gold, a medal, or settle for fourth place...

Kudos to Talent, truly, but this guy exists in a different dimension entirely—and I honestly don't think anyone else will ever be discussed in that same light once he's gone.

And I'm talking about players from all over the globe here.

Yep... everything that needed to be said has been said.
brighthawk20 brighthawk20 Member
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#67 ·
wanderingorca9 said:The guy practically carried the whole squad to the semifinals on his back, yet people are still nitpicking his mistakes... it’s unbelievable....🤣

Six weeks without any real training, dealing with a messed-up core... and he's still untouchable.
Take any top-tier player in the world, give them a six-week layoff right before a tournament like this—the premier stage for the sport—and see how they fare...
Heh, all this criticism is just noise...🙏
wearyeagle2 wearyeagle2 Newcomer
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#68 ·
wanderingorca9 said:The guy practically carried the whole team to the semifinals on his back, yet people are still nitpicking his mistakes... unbelievable.🤣

I wouldn't go that far. Balić was brilliant at both ends of the game yesterday, but he definitely had too many unforced errors in the middle stretch. Honestly, we only stayed in this thing because of Lackovic and some really smart defensive schemes while playing shorthanded. The real turning point wasn't those final ten minutes; it was when Norway led 11-9 and we had to survive a minute and a half with two men down in the 30th minute. Instead of collapsing, we fought back to tie it up at 11-11. Balić didn't play poorly there either—he was one of the four guys on the floor who kept us composed and pulled us through.
wearyeagle2 wearyeagle2 Newcomer
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#69 ·
Just one more thing regarding the wingers. It’s not that they don't exist; it feels more like the guys playing through the middle just don't trust them enough when we're facing a set defense. That said, they looked solid yesterday during those transition plays and fast breaks, which is exactly how Caleb managed to sink three huge goals.
boldhound8 boldhound8 Regular
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#70 ·
wanderingorca9 said:The guy basically carried the whole team to the semifinals on his back, and people are still whining about "mistakes"... give me a break. It's unbelievable.🤣

So what?
It's clearly stated that he played like an absolute idiot yesterday. It's right there.
And it's also clear that he was a total beast whenever it actually mattered. That's a fact too.

What's even the issue here?😁
bluebison10 bluebison10 Member
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#71 ·
Chris Lopez59 said:Balić has two traits that set him apart. Both he and Pero possess incredible court vision. But Balić has this insane creative imagination—which he’s admittedly neglected lately since moving to the Spanish league—plus an incredible physical edge. That explosiveness and ability to change direction allows him to execute precise moves, especially his shooting, which has actually improved since playing in Spain.

Pero just doesn't have that physical toolkit. And without it, you can't be the best. He's a brilliant technician, sure, but he lacks that elite speed. Even Cristiano Ronaldo had it... those old-school eras are over. Now, people want superheroes...

Nowadays, Balić wins games with scoring more than playmaking. He used to make everyone around him look good; now, he just carries the load individually.

In both roles, he delivers for the national team, but I still prefer the old Balić. The guy who’d score two goals but drop ten assists...

To me, Balić is better than Pero, but that's an apples-to-oranges comparison based on their positions. One is defense, one is offense. You can only really conclude who burns out faster; if you exhaust yourself too much, your finishing suffers...
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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#72 ·
wanderingorca9 said:I honestly don’t know if we’re even watching the same Balić at this tournament. Because from where I’m sitting, this guy is the absolute alpha and omega of this national team; he’s the only one actually running the show, handing out passes on silver platters that our guys just can't seem to convert into goals, sprinting like a madman, playing defense, and scoring goals like he's in peak physical condition—he's consistently our top scorer.
Balić has to carry the whole damn load because, let's be real, there isn't anyone else capable of stepping up, so once the team inevitably loses their nerve, they have no choice but to dump the ball to him.
Without Balić, this team would be getting absolutely slaughtered by like 15 points every single game.
We might as well start bracing ourselves for that reality right now.

Go check the official tournament stats and look at the assist leaders; that should give you a pretty clear reality check.
During the last World Cup, Balić had scorers who were actually in the zone (even if Lackovic wasn't at his best), and he had a great supporting cast, so even then, he eventually had to start taking matters into his own hands. Things started falling apart in the second round. First, the Americans set up a wall against our perimeter players, which slowed things down, but Balić managed to slice through them solo. Then the Czechs did the exact same thing, and again, Balić was the one breaking through.

But then the French showed up and actually managed to execute their tactical plan to perfection.

And all of this happened after we narrowed our play so much that we essentially cut our wing players out of the rotation, making us incredibly predictable. Before that, everyone used to swear by Balić's unpredictability, but today it feels like his playmaking has become an open book.

So, when Balić realizes the team play isn't working, he just puts his head down and starts forcing shots. Look, I'll admit he isn't the only player responsible for that offensive structure—the other perimeter guys play a part too—but he definitely carries the weight.

When I watched the Americans play us, it was pure tactical brilliance; you had no idea where the attack was coming from, where the shot would come from—every single possession felt different, with shots coming from every possible angle... it was just beautiful handball.

It was so much easier for their players to find a shot when the focus wasn't pinned entirely on them, when anyone could catch you off guard, and when the shots felt instinctive rather than forced.

That’s the kind of level we really ought to be aiming for.

And frankly, we need to be more objective. We only ever watch ourselves. We refuse to acknowledge anyone else's talent, we can't even recognize it when it's right in front of us, and we fail to understand that the opponent's skill had everything to do with our loss, not just our own poor performance.
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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#73 ·
brighthawk20 said:Wait, how can we call Balić "old" in that sense?
An assist is, by its very definition, a pass that leads directly to a goal.
Sure, he can keep feeding passes left and right all day—which, let’s be honest, is exactly what he’s still doing—but clearly, the rest of the squad just isn't stepping up to turn those balls into actual goals or assists.

Personally, I don't see him creating nearly as many high-quality scoring opportunities for his teammates as he used to.🤷

I guess we should probably go dig up some old game tapes to settle this once and for all... 🤔
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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#74 ·
bluebison10 said:If you ask me, Balić is better than Pero, but that’s really only a fair comparison if we're looking at what position Pero plays on defense versus where Balić sits; honestly, all you can really conclude is who’s burning more fuel out there, and once you start redlining like that, your concentration just evaporates right when you actually need to finish the play...

Yeah, but there were times when Pero could pull all of that off... now he just lacks that spark, he looks sluggish on offense... you can just tell his body isn't keeping up with him anymore...
electricdriver93 electricdriver93 Member
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#75 ·
wearyeagle2 said:That isn't quite the whole story. Balić had a brilliant start and finish yesterday, but he made far too many mistakes in the middle of the game. It was really Lackovic and some very smart defensive schemes while we were shorthanded that kept us in this. The turning point wasn't those final ten minutes; it was when Norway led 11-9 and we had to survive a minute and a half with two men in the penalty box, only to pull it back to 11-11 instead of collapsing. Balić didn't play poorly there either; he was one of the four guys on the floor keeping the formation steady and pulling us through.

Oh, really?
Are you suggesting Balić isn't perfect?
What a revelation.

Look, sure, he’s good... but let's be real—he didn't shoot 100%, nor did he rack up 15 assists with zero turnovers and six steals.
I fail to see why people feel the need to overhype him.😲

But fine, yes, Balić is only human.
It just so happens he's accidentally legendary.
And just by coincidence, the best.
For years now.
And even yesterday.
wearyeagle2 wearyeagle2 Newcomer
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#76 ·
electricdriver93 said:Oh, really?
So you're claiming Balić isn't perfect?
Groundbreaking stuff right there.

Look, sure, he's great... but let's be real—he didn't shoot 100% from the field, and he didn't drop 15 assists with zero turnovers and 6 steals.
I mean, why even bother bragging?😲

Yeah, okay, Balić is just a human being.
By pure coincidence, he happens to play handball.
And by total accident, he’s been the best in the world.
For years.
Including yesterday.

That’s exactly my point. Everyone above me was acting like he won the game single-handedly. Like he's some flawless machine.
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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#77 ·
So, I was just digging through the NBA stats, and honestly, looking at what they're showing me:

Ivano Balić landed somewhere between 12th and 14th with 20 assists, which works out to about 3.3 per game.

but get this:

Metličić is sitting right there in 10th or 11th place with 21 assists, averaging roughly 3.5 per game.

What do you guys think?

It goes to show that you can't just blame everything on a player being inefficient, right? 😉

Anyway, the leader is Solberg from Norway, sitting pretty with 32 assists and an average of 5.3 per game.
Lisa Miller7 Lisa Miller7 Member
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#78 ·
brighthawk20 said:Ivano Balić is hands down the greatest player in the history of handball, no contest.
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😂🤣😂😁..look, I mean, the guy is a total genius... right now? Yeah, definitely the best out there... but say "in history"?? man... I'm just gonna go with Magnus Wislander for me...🙏
bluebison10 bluebison10 Member
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#79 ·
Taland Dušebajev, since I haven't caught any of the earlier ones...
slymoose93 slymoose93 Newcomer
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#80 ·
If you check out the ESPN website, you’ll see they’re running a poll for the Greatest Athlete in the World, and I’m pretty sure Magic Johnson is going to make it to the second round. The article actually calls him both the best right now and one of the greatest of all time—putting him right up there with legends like Phil Jackson. So why wouldn't he be considered the GOAT? What's with all the sarcasm from the critics?

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