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Paul Morales3 Paul Morales3 Active Member
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joined Feb 2007
#41 ·
I keep seeing it mentioned over and over again—that this vaccine is coming to America "soon."
Of course, nobody actually knows what "soon" means in this context, or how much they’re going to charge us for it. I’m guessing insurance won't touch it; apparently, basic public health is treated like a luxury item here.

Does anyone have any actual intel that I might have missed or that hasn't hit my radar yet?

I am aware there’s a catch, though: they only authorize the shot for women who haven't been exposed to HPV yet. So, I'm personally practicing abstinence just to make sure I stay eligible for the vaccine.
Honestly, it would be great if they'd just get it here already; I'd actually like to find out what sex is all about.🤣
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 RegularOP
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joined Mar 2024
#42 ·
Amy Lee18,
1) Before you jump in and start a new thread, just double-check to see if someone else hasn't already covered it...
2) And please, don't write your titles in ALL CAPS—it's basically the digital version of screaming at everyone...
hiddenscout362 hiddenscout362 Active Member
111 messages
joined Apr 2007
#43 ·
What’s the point of getting the vaccine if I already have HPV?😠
Andrew Clark Andrew Clark Member
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joined Feb 2009
#44 ·
hiddenscout362 said:What's the point of getting the vaccine if I've already got HPV?😠

I'm in. Count me in...
We won't be getting to feel that "privilege" here... not anytime soon, unfortunately...
Paul Morales3 Paul Morales3 Active Member
61 messages
joined Feb 2007
#45 ·
Rachel Brooks63 said:Amy Lee18,
1) before you start a new thread, check if someone else hasn't already covered it.
2) don't use all caps in titles, because it's basically just shouting at everyone...

My bad, won't happen again.
Jamie Rivera78 Jamie Rivera78 Member
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joined Nov 2016
#46 ·
Total bombshell news. We might actually be looking at wiping out cervical cancer! Apparently, EVERY SINGLE GIRL AROUND 11 OR 12 YEARS OLD SHOULD GET THIS NEW VACCINE TO PREVENT HPV INFECTION. Everyone says HPV is the main culprit behind cervical cancer. (Estimates say there are 6 million infected people right here in the US alone.) Since it spreads through sexual contact, getting protected before things even kick off seems like common sense. (Changing partners frequently carries its own set of risks, obviously.) So, the shot is called Gardasil, and those three doses will run you about $360 total. That's insanely expensive—TEN TIMES WHAT OTHER VACCINES COST. Is it actually worth it? Approval is super fresh, so I don't even know if this thing is going to become mandatory. Look, preventing cancer is huge. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. But let's try to push the emotions aside for a second and look at this with a cold, hard logic. The manufacturer, Merck, is desperate for a blockbuster hit. They need something with a massive user base where nobody's gonna haggle over the price tag. Remember how Vioxx and Fosamax were supposed to fill their coffers? Well, massive lawsuits over catastrophic side effects ended up draining billions. Vioxx killed thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people. And we see the fallout from Fosamax every single day. Even so, Fosamax is still easy enough to get your hands on. Once you slap the "best drug" label on osteoporosis treatment, it’s hard to erase. You gotta fix the bones first, then worry about the PR later. And that US advisory board that decided whether to register Gardasil? It's basically a nest of conflicts of interest. It's an open secret that the list is packed with either Merck employees or people who are way too close to them. "GUIDED THINKING" is definitely in play here. Some might argue, "Okay, sure, the interests are obvious, but aren't three shots—even pricey ones—better than cancer?" Yeah, that's exactly how they spin it in medical circles. I'm worried the whole question is being framed wrong.

Our bodies aren't built that way. Real cancer prevention isn't found in a syringe; it's about your natural immune status. Emotional balance, eating right, avoiding toxins, getting enough sleep, and staying active. Everything else is just a total illusion.

About thirty years ago, everyone thought herpes simplex was the cause of cervical cancer. Then, the blame shifted entirely to HPV because they realized its DNA is often (BUT NOT ALWAYS) integrated into the genetic structure of cervical cancer. In reality, "HPV" is just a catch-all term for over 100 different viruses, and only about thirty of them are linked to cancer. Gardasil ONLY WORKS AGAINST SOME OF THEM, so the preventive effect is thought to top out at 70%. WHICH IS BARELY MORE EFFECTIVE THAN USING A CONDOM.

Lately, there's been more and more debate about the link between HPV and cancer. The real drivers of abnormal cell growth usually stem from an unhealthy lifestyle. SINCE RAPIDLY GROWING CANCER CELLS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO INFECTIONS THAN OTHER CELLS, VIRUSES ARE LIKELY JUST INDICATORS, NOT THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF THE DISEASE. The National Cancer Institute pushes the connection between HPV and cancer, even though they simultaneously ADMIT THAT A DIRECT CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN.

Time will tell. The dark side of every vaccine always comes to light eventually. (Remember the whole autism explosion?) Honestly, maybe one day we'll just eat some genetically engineered plant that has a vaccine integrated into it. One or a hundred of them. PROTECTION FROM DISEASE THAT PERFECTLY COUNTERACTS A LIFESTYLE OF UNHEALTHY HABITS. Just like those diet pills that claim to melt fat away regardless of how much junk food you eat.
Paul Morales3 Paul Morales3 Active Member
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joined Feb 2007
#47 ·
Jamie Rivera78 said:This is truly sensational news. We might actually be standing on the precipice of eradicating cervical cancer entirely. The recommendation is that every girl aged 11 or 12 should receive the new vaccine to prevent HPV infection. It’s widely accepted that HPV is the primary driver behind cervical cancer—estimates suggest there are about 6 million infected people right here in the US alone. Since it’s transmitted through sexual contact, the logic of providing protection before someone becomes sexually active seems sound on the surface. We all know the risks associated with having multiple partners. So, the vaccine is called Gardasil, and that three-dose series will run you about $360. That is incredibly expensive—ten times the cost of most other vaccinations. But how useful is it really? The approval is still very recent, and I have no idea if this will eventually become part of a mandatory vaccination program. Obviously, preventing cancer is vital; we all want to stay alive. But let's try to set our emotions aside for a moment and look at this with a cold, analytical eye. The manufacturer, Merck, is desperate for a blockbuster hit—something with massive uptake where people won't haggle over the price tag. They had those big hits with Vioxx and Fosamax which were supposed to line their pockets, but the catastrophic side effects led to billions in lawsuits. Vioxx killed thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of people. As for Fosamax, the flaws come to light every single day, yet it remains easily accessible because once you establish a drug as the "gold standard" for osteoporosis, that reputation is hard to shake. You strengthen the bones first, then deal with the fallout later. Furthermore, the American advisory body responsible for approving Gardasil is essentially a breeding ground for conflicts of interest. It is common knowledge that the committee includes Merck employees or individuals with very close ties to the company. "Directed thinking" is practically guaranteed. Some might argue, "Fine, the interests are obvious, but aren't three shots—expensive or not—better than cancer?" That’s exactly how they phrase it in medical circles. My fear is that the question itself is being framed incorrectly.

Our bodies were built differently than modern medicine thinks. Real cancer prevention isn't going to be found in some vaccine vial; it’s rooted in our actual immune health. We're talking emotional stability, a clean diet, staying away from toxins, getting enough sleep, and keeping active. Everything else is just a total illusion.

About thirty years ago, the consensus was that herpes simplex was the culprit behind cervical cancer. Then, the blame was shifted entirely over to HPV once researchers discovered its DNA is frequently—though certainly not always—integrated into the genetic makeup of cervical cancer cells. In reality, "HPV" is just an umbrella term covering over a hundred different viruses, about thirty of which are linked to cancer. Gardasil only targets a specific subset of them, so its preventive efficacy is estimated to hover around 70% at best. Honestly, that’s about the same level of protection you get from using a condom.

Lately, there’s been this growing, shifting discourse regarding the supposed link between HPV and HPV cancer. If you ask me, the actual drivers behind abnormal cell proliferation usually stem from poor lifestyle choices. It’s my take that rapidly growing cancer cells are simply more susceptible to infections; therefore, viruses are likely just indicators rather than the true root cause of the disease. Even the National Cancer Institute pushes the connection between HPV and HPV cancer, yet they simultaneously admit that a direct causal relationship has never actually been proven.

Time will tell, inevitably. The dark side of every vaccine eventually comes to light—just look at the whole autism controversy that blew up years ago. Honestly, we’re probably heading toward a future where we just eat some genetically modified plant that has a vaccine integrated directly into it. One plant, or maybe a hundred. "Disease protection" that supposedly magically cancels out any unhealthy tendencies. It sounds exactly like those diet pills that claim they can offset whatever junk food you just ate.

Jamie Rivera78, thanks for the thoughtful response. 😘
You’ve really given me something to chew on. My final takeaway? I’m definitely not going to be anyone's guinea pig, and honestly, I was thinking pretty hard about skipping the vaccine just to save some cash.
Paul Morales3 Paul Morales3 Active Member
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joined Feb 2007
#48 ·
Just checking back in to stir the pot on this thread a little...

So, Gardasil just got the green light here in the States. According to the news, they’re planning to roll out the shots this fall. They're charging about $450 a pop.
Let's just wait and see how this whole mess plays out....
lonecrane42 lonecrane42 Newcomer
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#49 ·
Oral sex isn't exactly safe sex...

Look, even if you love sex and live for it, anyone with half a brain knows there’s always a risk of catching something... A lot of people, especially teens, think they're playing it safe by sticking to oral instead of penetration, but that's just foolishness. Hardly anyone realizes STIs can spread that way too—even HIV can find its way from one spot to another...

STDs can spread through oral too, but the risk isn't quite as high as penetration...

Most people think oral sex is just about the basics, but it’s way more than that... you've got nipple play, toe sucking, even rimming... it's a whole spectrum...

Nipple play or toe sucking? Risk is basically zero... but those other two ways to go at it? You're looking at a real chance of picking up HPV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, and all that good stuff...

Before we get into all the messy downsides of oral sex, let's just remember why it’s becoming less of a taboo and more of a standard part of the bedroom routine...

Studies show women hit that peak way easier through oral... whether it's just that or if it happens before penetration. And obviously, oral can be a huge help for guys dealing with minor ED issues who need that extra spark before things get real...

Whether they’re seeing someone steady or just playing the field, women really ought to make it a habit to hit up the gynecologist once a year...

And everyone knows oral is basically the foolproof way to dodge an unplanned pregnancy...

Oral sex as just the warm-up for the "real" thing...

Oral sex among teens has spiked over the last decade, and anal sex is catching up too... even if it's less common. We don't really have the data here in the States to show exactly how much exposure there is, but the reality is that most kids don't even count oral as "real" sex. They just see it as foreplay... so they'll tell you they aren't sexually active, even when they totally are...

Younger people seem to think oral is somehow "safer" than penetrative sex... which is true for some things, I guess. But you can still catch STDs from oral or anal play, and a standard urine test won't always catch it. A pee test isn't going to flag gonorrhea or chlamydia from those acts, and honestly, gonorrhea is a much bigger deal when it comes to oral...

Abstinence is the only surefire way to prevent it, but let's be real... that's not exactly practical advice when oral sex is becoming such a huge part of how people express intimacy these days...

It’s rare, but you can actually catch HIV through oral sex... seen cases where people got infected whether they were giving or receiving. How does that even happen? Everyone knows kissing won't do it, but then again, "deep" kissing involves enough saliva that things get blurry... same goes for oral. If we're talking blowjobs, the risk drops if the guy doesn't finish in the mouth, but with cunnilingus, things get way sketchier if she's on her period...

warts and throat sores... just great...

So, HPV is caused by the Human Papillomavirus... basically, like 80 to 100 percent of girls between 18 and 25 run into it through sex. Only about 30 percent actually show symptoms though, mostly because the body just clears it on its own if your immune system is doing its job... Usually shows up as warts on the penis or for women, it's around the labia, vagina, anus, or butt. Rare, but you can get it orally too, which means warts in the mouth or throat...

Unlike other STIs, chlamydia often flies totally under the radar. Like, 30 to 50 percent of women with cervicitis don't even feel anything... nothing at all. Back in the early 2000s, *Chlamydia trachomatis* almost caused a full-on epidemic among young people in the US. When it comes to oral sex, it’s usually passed through fellatio, and you can catch it via a throat swab. It gets sketchy if the bacteria settles near your mouth or nose, since it can trigger various infections, especially eye infections.

Even though it doesn't pop up every single day, gonorrhea is one of those super common genital infections that’s basically spreading like a pandemic. Unlike most STDs, it hits guys the hardest. We're talking intense burning when you pee, cloudy urine, major pain, and discharge. For women, symptoms are way more subtle and creep up slowly. One way women get hit with gonorrhea is through oral sex—specifically fellatio—which usually just feels like a nasty, inflamed sore throat or even some pus-filled sores.

Just cutting down the risk rather than dodging it entirely—use condoms during oral too. There are actually flavored ones out there now specifically to make people actually want to use them during oral play...

There have also been cases where genital herpes gets spread through oral sex. Herpes symptoms involve stinging and that uncomfortable tightness in the skin, followed by blisters that eventually pop and leave behind painful sores on the skin or mucous membranes. Experts say if you've got a cold sore on your lips, you definitely shouldn't be doing oral.

So, how do you protect yourself from STIs passed through oral sex? Honestly, it's the same deal as "regular" sex—use decent condoms and just act responsibly. Staying healthy, having one steady, monogamous partner, and keeping up with hygiene (washing your genitals before and after, plus teeth and mouth, etc.) makes things a lot safer. Having sex with one partner is considered safe if both people are healthy and exclusive.

But, gotta remember: these things just lower the risk, they don't eliminate it. Abstinence is the only 100% sure way to prevent it, but that’s not exactly practical advice since oral sex is such a big part of life for so many couples. So, just take comfort in the fact that the risk of infection during oral sex is generally lower than with vaginal or anal penetration.
placidangler9 placidangler9 Newcomer
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#50 ·
So I was just watching this segment on ABC News, but I missed the end of the report so now I'm totally lost...
Does anyone actually know what's going on?
Did they actually find a vaccine? And if you're already infected, does the shot even do anything?
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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joined Apr 2016
#51 ·
It’s been around for ages, but it’s finally hitting the shelves here in the States...

Think of this vaccine as proactive prevention
Tyler Diaz4 Tyler Diaz4 Member
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joined Jun 2010
#52 ·
slywolf45 said:This was discovered long ago, but it’s only just becoming available here in the States.

The vaccine serves as prevention.

While it is preventive, most likely high school girls in Chicago will be offered it for free; I am just not certain if the proposal has been approved yet. Does anyone know? The booster is administered after five years, while everyone else can purchase it through Blue Cross Blue Shield.
For anything else, please consult the internet.
Tyler Diaz4 Tyler Diaz4 Member
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joined Jun 2010
#53 ·
That page features a series of questions and answers regarding HPV.
Donna Diaz Donna Diaz Newcomer
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joined Oct 2007
#54 ·
$1000... honestly, it’s not even expensive...
steelsurfer74 steelsurfer74 Newcomer
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#55 ·
So, what even is HPV? I'm pretty young, man... 😁
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#56 ·
steelsurfer74 said:So, what exactly is HPV? Look, I get it—I’m young too, and honestly, this isn't exactly the most thrilling topic to dive into when you're just trying to live your life. But since we're talking about it, let's break it down without all the clinical jargon. Basically, HPV is a super common group of viruses. It’s one of those things that most people end up encountering at some point, regardless of how careful they think they're being. Think of it like catching a common cold, but instead of just a runny nose, it carries different risks depending on the specific strain you pick up. Some versions are totally harmless and your body just clears them out like a minor annoyance, while others can actually cause issues down the road—like certain types of cancer. It’s definitely one of those "better to know now than find out later" situations. If you're feeling a bit overwhelmed by the sheer amount of info out there, don't sweat it; it's a lot to digest. Just take it one step at a time. 😁

Human papillomavirus... honestly, do yourself a favor and just look it up on Google.

Could someone please move this over to the Health section or wherever it belongs?🙄
neonraven8 neonraven8 Newcomer
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#57 ·
So, from what I’ve gathered—and look, this is just hearsay—there’s some talk that the vaccine might actually be able to cure people who are already infected... I mean, I know that's not exactly how vaccines are supposed to work, but hey, that's what I heard. It's totally unverified info, though, and honestly, I don't have the bandwidth to go down a rabbit hole and fact-check everything right now...
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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joined Apr 2016
#58 ·
neonraven8 said:From what I've gathered, there's some talk that the vaccine might actually cure those already infected... I'm just repeating what I've heard, and typically, that's not how vaccines operate, but hey, that's the rumor... So, it's entirely unverified information, and frankly, I don't have the bandwidth to fact-check it right now...

I highly doubt that.
stormymaker24 stormymaker24 Active Member
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#59 ·
In truth, they even recommend vaccination for those who have already contracted HPV, claiming it offers protection against multiple strains and prevents reinfection. One has to wonder, however, just how much clinical merit actually exists in that claim, versus how much of this is simply a matter of pushing for a dosage that feels somewhat 🤷
Thomas Collins60 Thomas Collins60 Active Member
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#60 ·
So, you can pick up this vaccine for $1000, and apparently, it's supposed to "last" for five years. Even so, there’s still no plan to roll out school-based vaccination programs for girls—you know, where the state or the healthcare system picks up the tab. This specific shot only protects against two types of HPV (the most common ones), and while they're vaccinating girls who haven't been active, I've read that it could actually be given to women up to age 25—though I think that's if they're relatively sure they haven't been exposed or something... I'm not entirely certain on the exact reasoning behind the age 25 cutoff, just from what I've read
There are actually two different vaccines out there. The one mentioned above—which the news report was focusing on—is Gardasil. That one has caused quite a bit of controversy globally because after some girls and women were vaccinated, they started experiencing some really troubling symptoms. It really made people ask whether Gardasil might actually be doing more harm than good
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On top of that, there's Cervarix, which is just starting to make its way onto the market, intended for all women. Here are a few links
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regarding both of them and their side effects
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