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When did rock 'n' roll die?

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mistyfox812 mistyfox812 RegularOP
295 messages
joined Mar 2004
#1 ·
Man, I was just sitting here thinking about the exact moment rock 'n' roll died.
Back when I was younger, things were simple. You knew what real rock was. The gold standard was Iggy Pop, *Funhouse* was the absolute peak, and "I Wanna Be Your Dog" was the anthem... I mean, seriously...
The total opposite was this fake "rock" crap—just garbage dressed up in leather jackets because that’s what sold back then. The biggest fraud of them all was Bregović. His dumbest track was that whole "come on girls, come on boys, students, kids, cops..." nonsense. But hey, it served its purpose—it showed you exactly how low the bar had fallen. That Bregović guy.
And then... well, even if you want to look at the good side of history, it feels like that massive cultural collapse happened right around '92. But I didn't really feel the impact until maybe '96 or '97.
So there I am, listening, and I just can't believe my ears.
It’s like hearing Iggy Pop sing "come on girls, come on boys..." It’s in English, obviously, but the vibe is just as mindless. You try to laugh it off, you try to tell yourself it's just some stupid joke... but you can't. The world felt broken. Honestly, I don't think I've been able to sit through a real rock album since then.
Did anyone else experience that kind of trauma?
How do you even recover from that?
Because every time I think about checking in on the scene—if rock even exists anymore—that horrible memory just hits me. I can't do it.
Please, help a guy out.
I actually want to go see Pixies in concert, but I'm terrified. What if they start singing some cheesy, commercialized garbage too?
Melissa Anderson23 Melissa Anderson23 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Nov 2004
#2 ·
Rock and roll basically died the moment some idiot first decided to claim "rock and roll is dead."

I'm just not really feeling Iggy Pop lately.😁
rapidskipper9 rapidskipper9 Member
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joined Feb 2003
#3 ·
Wait, did you even watch the movie? I mean, not just *when* it happened, but HOW rock and roll actually died.
There’s a massive distinction there, because honestly, rock hasn't died globally, and it sure as hell isn't going to, it’s just that for certain people, it fizzled out in a few specific ways, and I think there are basically three main paths to that downfall:

1. Pure commercialization, which is basically just selling your soul and ditching the music just to chase a paycheck.
2. Falling in love, so you lose that raw, aggressive edge that used to make people absolutely terrified when you were tearing up the stage.
3. Becoming a parent, where suddenly your whole vibe shifts toward protecting your kids from the world, mostly just so they don't totally ghost you once they hit their teenage years. 😈

I guess those are pretty much all the ways it happens. 😎
Jason Morgan2 Jason Morgan2 Member
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joined Dec 2002
#4 ·
TzU said:Well, didn't you see the movie? It’s not about whether rock 'n' roll died, it's about HOW it actually fell apart.
There is a massive distinction there, because rock 'n' roll hasn't truly died globally—nor will it—it just lost its way for certain people through three specific avenues:
1. Commercialization, which is basically selling out your sound just to chase a paycheck.
2. Falling in love, where you lose that raw, aggressive drive that used to make the crowd tremble under the stage lights.
3. Becoming a parent, where suddenly your priority shifts to protecting your kids from the world, mostly so they don't end up ignoring you during their teenage years. 😈
I suppose those cover all the bases. 😎

Which would imply that if you want to be a true rocker, you shouldn't need money, you shouldn't fall in love, and you definitely shouldn't have kids.
If that were the case, I'd just sit here listening to old Chuck Norris tracks like "Rock Around the Clock." Even though everyone says rock 'n' roll is dead, I haven't heard anything to prove it yet. Besides, I think I meet about eight out of five of the requirements to be considered a rocker. I'm a bit too much of a rock guy myself. I almost ended up a punker.
amberfalcon172 amberfalcon172 Member
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joined Sep 2003
#5 ·
Honestly? I couldn't care less about any of this.
Nicole Lee43 Nicole Lee43 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2003
#6 ·
amberfalcon172 said:Did you even watch it? It’s not about whether it was made, it's about how much it flopped.

The movie is a masterpiece! 😁
Jason Morgan2 Jason Morgan2 Member
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joined Dec 2002
#7 ·
otO, get lost, you jumping jerk.
otO, get lost, you jumping jerk.
otO, get lost, you jumping jerk.
otO, get lost, you ska.

otO-man.
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Ashley Jackson7 Ashley Jackson7 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2004
#8 ·
rock n roll isn't dead. Bands like The White Stripes, The Strokes, Queens of the Stone Age, and The Hives, for instance, are definitely keeping the flame alive, if you ask me.

Just because Iggy sang that song doesn't mean it has to be such a huge deal. He's done plenty of even sillier stuff throughout his career.

Commercial success isn't necessarily a bad thing either. You have artists who sell a ton of albums but still manage to sound great and fresh. I guess Red Hot Chili Peppers and R.E.M. are pretty solid examples of that.
driftingeagle27 driftingeagle27 Active Member
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joined Oct 2009
#9 ·
otO said:frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

That movie is pure gold!
rapidskipper9 rapidskipper9 Member
20 messages
joined Feb 2003
#10 ·
Jason Morgan2 said:So, I guess you could wrap your head around the idea that if you actually want to be a real rocker, you shouldn't bother with money, falling in love, or even having kids.

Look, I mean, everyone pretty much draws their own conclusions based on how they see things, mixed in with whatever level of annoyance they're dealing with at the moment.

But hey, why don't you enlighten me? Like, what are these 8 specific requirements to be a rocker, or maybe just give me the top 5 that are absolutely essential.
Sandra Ruiz43 Sandra Ruiz43 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Rock hasn't died out like you think. It’s just that the fanbase and the number of bands have shrunk drastically. The reason is channels like MTV and VH1. They push way too much hip-hop and R&B—basically all that garbage. Now that kids grow up, they watch TV or satellite, and since those music channels play nothing but hip-hop styles, that's all they hear. They don't even know what real rock sounds like because there's hardly any of it on television. Honestly, I might have ended up listening to that stuff too if it wasn't for my brother pointing me in the right direction. THANKS TO HIM.

Hey

Brandon Garcia95 👍
dustyridge12 dustyridge12 Active Member
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joined Feb 2003
#12 ·
I'm currently working on translating this film into English so my friends back in the USA can finally watch it. I'll be sure to report back on their reactions—though, honestly, I suspect some of the underlying messages might strike them as pretty hilarious. To be fair, the film doesn't really have a profound point; the title is almost certainly just some sort of inside joke. For the subtitles, I’ve decided the English title will be "Decline of Rock'n Roll." The first episode is titled "How high's the water, papa?", the second is "Money Can't Buy Me Love", and the third goes by "My baby just wrote me a letter". Naturally, "The Adventures of Green Tooth" serves as the bridge between them. I could really use some creative input on how to handle those specific wordplays involving "dino" and "moj te svino"—it's tricky stuff. Right now, I've only managed to come up with "Dick" and "gives you a prick".
dustyridge12 dustyridge12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Feb 2003
#13 ·
rock n roll is here to stay Come inside where it's okay and I'll
shake you up a bit.
Daniel Bailey7 Daniel Bailey7 Regular
526 messages
joined Dec 2002
#14 ·
driftingeagle27 said:That movie is absolute gold!

nah... it drags just a bit too long for my taste 🙂

np. b&s - asleep on the sunbeam
dustyridge12 dustyridge12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Feb 2003
#15 ·
It feels like it drags on way too long—the theatrical version usually clocks in at just about an hour and a half, and while the TV cut might run a bit longer, if I remember correctly, they actually ended up cutting Koju from the broadcast version.
Daniel Bailey7 Daniel Bailey7 Regular
526 messages
joined Dec 2002
#16 ·
dustyridge12 said:It runs way too long—the theatrical cut is only about an hour and a half, and maybe the TV version is a bit longer, though if I recall correctly, they cut "Koj" from the broadcast.

Nope... that was actually referring to a completely different movie...
steelscout19 steelscout19 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2004
#17 ·
dustyridge12 said:Hey, help me out. How am I supposed to translate wordplay like "dino" / "moj te svino" and stuff like that? Right now, all I've got is "Dick" and "gives you a prick".

Man, what exactly are you trying to translate there? 😁

I mean, how were you planning on translating Hasanaginica?
dustyridge12 dustyridge12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Feb 2003
#18 ·
Well, Hasanaginica has already been translated.
Lately, I’ve been chipping away at the second episode—trying to nail down the local slang from New York is absolute madness. It’s proving to be quite a challenge—it's definitely not easy—but I’m making some headway somehow.
dustyridge12 dustyridge12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Feb 2003
#19 ·
Here it is:

Hasanaginica

What is that distant, brilliant glimmer shining against the mountain peak?

Does that light still shimmer so bright where the sycamores grow?

Is it wild swans circling around the fountain at Central Park?

Or perhaps it’s just a wreath made of the wintry snow?

If only there had been a blanket of snow, shimmering white against the mountain peaks, everything would have felt different.

By this, it had all just melted away before the break of a bright new day.

Or perhaps it would have been swans gliding through the waters near a park fountain in a place like Central Park.

They spread their wide wings and soared far away.

It isn’t exactly swans circling the fountain at Central Park, either.

It isn’t some frozen wreath made of winter snow, either—it's much more substantial than that.

But it is the festive tents of the formidable Asan aga Glimmering.

Glimmering so white where the sycamores grow.

Low Lies The Chief on The couch of The wounded.

They watch over his sisters with the most tenderest care.

She weeps for her mother, lost in an endless, boundless sorrow.

Every grieving companion—though his Lady remains by his side—is present.

Her grief ran deeper than even the most devoted mother could ever endure—it was a profound, heavy kind of sorrow that seemed to settle into her very bones.

But from within that crowded military encampment where he lay wounded—amidst the chaos and the noise of the field hospital—everything felt so different.

Though a crowd of grieving friends gathered there—tender sisters and brothers alike—the weight of it all felt overwhelming.

Timid shamefacedness compelled her to stay.

Yet, in her absence, the intensity of his fury only continues to burn brighter.

The stern chieftain delivered that final, cutting line—the one that severed everything.

"Cast out from my castle—no longer its mistress,"

"Separated from my kids and everything I’ve built..."

Anguish The Heart of that Lady Deep rended When The hard message was brought to Her Eye Woe werw The looks on Her children She bennded Weeping around Her tho

Anguish The Heart of that Lady Deep rended When The hard message was brought to Her Eye Woe werw The looks on Her children She bennded Weeping around Her tho

Anguish The Heart of that Lady Deep rended When The hard message was brought to Her Eye Woe werw The looks on Her children She bennded Weeping around Her tho

Anguish The Heart of that Lady Deep rended When The hard message was brought to Her Eye Woe werw The looks on Her children She bennded Weeping around Her tho

Over the massive drawbridge, the sound of galloping horses comes thundering through—loud, rhythmic, and unmistakable.

Wildly She started in desperate mood She thought ' twas The signal of Asan advancing and rusherd

Wildly She started in desperate mood She thought ' twas The signal of Asan advancing and rusherd

And rusherd to the turret to plunge in the flood.

"Wait, please—don't go! My mother! Oh, my mother!"

It isn't the horses of our fathers that you're hearing.

"It’s the swift steed belonging to Carazan, your own brother."

And so, her children cried out in a mixture of profound sorrow and genuine fear—

And then, the grieving woman turned her gaze once more toward her brother.

Clinging around Him with bitterest moan

Regarding those five little ones—the mother...

Now look at me—Carazan, a woman who bears no children.

Carazan stood there, silent and heavy with sadness.

Then draw fra his boss The severing Bill Speaking divorce to The Lady of Asan Leaving Her Free

Carazan Then draw fra his boss The severing Bill Speaking divorce to The Lady of Asan Leaving Her Free

Leaving her free to espouse whom she will.

And then, with a heavy heart, the grieving Lady offered her final blessing to her daughters.

I remember being a kid back in suburban Ohio, watching my grandmother tend to her garden, and there was this quiet, tender sort of affection in everything she did—just small, gentle gestures that felt monumental at the time. It reminds me of that line, "Kissed the red cheek of each fair featured boy," which carries such a specific, soft weight to it. There’s something deeply nostalgic and almost poetic about that imagery—it captures a moment of pure, unadulterated innocence before life gets complicated.

Even in those earliest moments—from the suckling to her breast closely pressing—there is a profound sense of connection that stays with you. It’s that primal, unshakable bond that defines the beginning of everything.

Woe's—she just couldn't seem to undo the knot.

Torn was The Tia by The harsh-tempered brother He raised Her behind Him upon his fleet Horse and to The lofty abode of their Mother , He Bent woth The sorrowul Lady his course

He raised her behind him upon his fleet Horse and to The lofty abode of their Mother , He Bent woth The sorrowul Lady his course

And to the lofty abode of their Mother,

He bent woth the sorrowul Lady his course.

It hadn't even been two weeks since everything changed—barely a fortnight and a day—when the world seemed to shift entirely. It’s funny how quickly things move once the initial shock wears off, isn't it? One moment you're standing still, and the next, life is moving at a pace you never anticipated.

Scarce Had a fotnight and day When to that Lady cama many a lover All in Her mourning

Scarce Had a fotnight and day When to that Lady cama many a lover All in Her mourning.

The most remarkable figure of them all had to be Imotski's Great Caki that th, the pride of the region.

Cadi Long Had He loved Her more dearly Than Life Then

Then she turned to her brother, weeping—that poor Lady.

"Don't go handing me over to someone else to marry."

"Give me no more ads a wife to another"

And so, in the midst of her grief, she turned to her brother and spoke to him with a heavy heart.

I often find myself thinking about those moments when life feels most fragile—specifically that heavy, lingering fear of what happens when we aren't there to protect our own. It brings to mind a certain poetic sadness, almost like an old folk song from the American South, where one wonders: "Lest when my poor orphans shall call on their mother..." It’s a haunting thought, isn't it? That sense of leaving a void behind, wondering if the legacy we leave is enough to sustain them when the world gets cold.

It feels like my heart should be shattered—just completely broken by all this anguish and longing.

Her brother simply didn't care about the lady's prayers—it’s one of those heavy, tragic details that always sticks with me when I think about this story. It really highlights that sense of isolation she felt, knowing that even her own blood wouldn't listen to her pleas.

She was absolutely set on making her his wife.

To bestow her as spouse on the great Caki of the region.

It seems there was an underlying expectation that those substantial marriage gifts would serve to bolster the wealth and status of his household.

"Yet bid the Cadi, my brother Carzan"

Bring a black veil to wrap this grieving crowd in shadow.

Whenever I find myself passing by the residence of Asan aga Glimmering...

These grieving eyes—they are all their children have left to look upon.

Hardly had the news reached the Cadi before

he gathered the festive wedding procession

and, carrying the veil just as the lady had requested,

they reached the fortified towers of Carazan safely.

They arrived securely at the towering heights of Carazan

but as the wedding party turned back with the bride,

lo! as they rode past the grand estate of Asan,

the children caught sight of their lost mother once more.

They cried out in unison: "Oh, have you truly come home?

Are you back to share in our meals and our play?

How long we have grieved during your long absence!

Don't go any further—your children are right here!"

Hearing those tender voices, she came to a sudden halt.

"Hold your horses beneath these beloved towers,"

she told the distressed gentlemen.

"I must give my final gifts to my little ones first."

The wedding party settled beneath the imposing turrets

while she bestowed her final tokens upon her children.

She adorned the boys with ornate, rich belts

and gave them bright sabers set with glowing jewels.

She dressed her daughters in silks that rustled beautifully,

preparing them for the days when they might need to stand strong.

Even to the infant nestled closely to her heart,

she gave a belt, a saber, and a shield.

The stern Asan Aga watched all of this from nearby,

and he barked haughtily at his children:

"Get away from that woman—she’s more fickle than the wind,

more flighty than a summer breeze and colder than the ocean tide."

Fearing him, the children fled, crying out loudly,

leaving only the infant, whom she pulled tightly to her chest.

The pale Lady sank down, trembling and fading away,

clutching the babe even closer as she drifted into eternal rest.
Robin Booth Robin Booth Regular
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joined Jul 2005
#20 ·
dustyridge12 said:Here we go:

"The Sedative"

What yonder glimmer so white on the mountain
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Grasper it yet closer and sunk into rest.

Didn't Walter Scott do a translation of this a long time ago?🤔 😉

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