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Reliable, quiet, and fast: Looking for a new long-term business desktop PC

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feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#1 ·
Hey everyone,

Well, here I am again after a bit of a hiatus. I'm looking to tap into the collective wisdom of this group to help a friend out with a service issue.

The situation boils down to this: she needs a complete workstation overhaul, including all the peripherals. Regarding the display, we should cap it at a 24'' monitor; anything larger would be overkill given how cramped her desk and office space are. For the keyboard, I’m torn—she might want something wireless, though my personal take is that a wired setup is often more reliable. As for the mouse, a wireless one is definitely the way to go; I just find it much more practical for a streamlined workflow. For audio, a 2.0 speaker setup makes sense for the sake of desk space, provided they actually deliver decent sound quality. Finally, she'll need a solid headset with a built-in microphone for Skype calls, along with a dedicated webcam that includes its own mic.

It’s a bit of a depressing thought, really... what I actually need from a machine. It shouldn't just be about raw specs; it needs to be fast, whisper-quiet, and—most importantly—reliable enough to survive years of heavy lifting. I'm looking for a workstation that can actually handle true multitasking without choking. We're talking simultaneous 3D rendering, heavy lifting in AutoCAD and 3ds Max, all while I've got music playing in the background, dozens of Office documents open and being actively edited, a browser crawling with tabs, some streaming going on, Dropbox syncing in the background, and, of course, every single security tool running its course. It needs to be a rock.

It seems to me that a setup like this really ought to feature a high-quality SSD to handle the OS and keep current projects moving smoothly. As for the GPU, while it might not be the absolute priority if you aren't focused on gaming, I still suspect a decent graphics card is a fundamental requirement for maintaining a fast, responsive workflow under the circumstances mentioned above.

Price isn't really the deciding factor when you're looking at an assessment like this, but if you ask me, the whole lot shouldn't be going for more than... $3333 Since we aren't looking for some high-end gaming beast here—the priority is strictly on reliability and longevity—I'd say this setup should suffice. If you feel like these specs are a bit too modest, feel free to throw in some higher-tier options; honestly, price isn't the primary driver. The goal is to secure the most stable and dependable configuration possible. The purchase will be handled through a corporate account, so shipping methods are secondary. However, it would be a significant advantage if the vendor offers professional, high-quality custom assembly services before shipping the unit out.

I’ll attempt to include some links to specific components, though I have to admit I'm a bit out of touch with current trends. My "expertise" is essentially stuck in a time capsule from two years ago when I was putting together various builds. I would truly appreciate any suggestions you all might have!

Greetings.
darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#2 ·
I'm not going to try and build the rig myself since those guys definitely know more than I do, but I just wanted to point out that this is a solid setup for a machine with 32GB of RAM.😬

Have you thought about just running two separate machines? You could have one dedicated entirely to cranking out renders at full power, while the other stays free for whatever else you need to get done.

You really ought to check what your specific rendering software actually craves—whether it needs more cores or just faster individual cores—and if it even supports hardware acceleration (like using CUDA cores on Nvidia cards) to speed things up.
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
518 messages
joined Jun 2010
#3 ·
1 x ASUS H97-PLUS, 1150, Intel H97
1 x Intel Core i7-4790 Processor (3.60GHz,1MB,8MB,84W,1150) Box
2 x DDR3 8GB (1x8GB) Corsair, 1600MHz, CL11, Value, CMV8GX3M1A160C11
1 x SEASONIC 450G Power Supply, SS-450G, Haswell ready, G series
1 x Fractal Design Core 2500 Black
1 x OCZ SSD ARC 100 240GB, OCZ Barefoot 3 M10 Controller
1 x Samsung LS24D590PLX, 23.6" LED, 16:9 (AD-PLS), 1920x1080, D-Sub
1 x SCYTHE Tatsumi, SCTTM-1000B, socket 775/1150/1155/1156/1366/2011
1 x Logitech K270
1 x Logitech H130 Sky blue, Skype headset
1 x Logitech C270 HD, CMOS technology, 1280x720 video resolution
1 x Logitech M345
1 x Gigabyte GTX750Ti OC 2048 GDDR5 128bit
1 x TOSHIBA 2TB, 7200 rpm, SATA 3 6Gb/s, 64MB cache, 3.5", DT01ACA20
1 x Logitech Z130 speakers, 2 satellites (5W RMS)

$3424 AMD
Angela Flores4 Angela Flores4 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jul 2015
#4 ·
Choosing the right graphics card really boils down to the sheer scale and profitability of your business, at least when you're running a 3D studio. If you find yourself buried under a mountain of time-intensive projects, wouldn't it make sense to invest in professional-grade workstation cards like an Nvidia Quadro or an AMD FirePro?
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
353 messages
joined Jul 2015
#5 ·
1 x LG 24MP57VQ-P 24" LED, IPS, 1920x1080, 5ms
1 x Logitech K120, USB, US Retail Box
1 x Logitech M325, USB, Logitech Unifying
1 x Logitech C270 HD, CMOS Technology, 1280x720 resolution
1 x Logitech H130, Skype headset. Noise-reducing mic
1 x MSI Z97-PC Mate, s1150, 4th & 5th gen Intel Core
1 x Intel Core i7-4790 (3.60GHz, 1MB, 8MB, 84W, 1150) Box
2 x DDR3 8GB (1x8GB) Kingston, HyperX Fury, 1866MHz, CL10
1 x Gigabyte GTX750Ti OC 2048 GDDR5 128bit
1 x Zalman Z3 Mid Tower case. 192(W)x465(H)x430(D)mm. Standard MB size
1 x SEASONIC 450G Power Supply, SS-450G, Haswell ready, G series
1 x HDD Seagate 2TB, Serial ATA III, 7200 rpm, Seagate Barracuda
1 x SCYTHE Tatsumi, SCTTM-1000B, socket 775/1150/1155/1156/1366/2011
1 x OCZ SSD ARC 100 240GB, OCZ Barefoot 3 M10 Controller
$3299
Amy Vaughn12 Amy Vaughn12 Active Member
121 messages
joined Mar 2009
#6 ·
1 x Intel Core i7-5820K 3.30GHz, 1.5MB, 15MB, 140 W, Intel Socket 2011-v3 (no cooler included)
1 x ASRock X99 Extreme4, Intel Socket 2011-v3, Intel X99, quad-channel support
4 x DDR4 8GB (1x8GB) Crucial, 2400MHz, Ballistix Sport DDR4
1 x Samsung 850 Series, 500GB Capacity, 2.5"
1 x TOSHIBA 3TB, 7200 rpm, SATA 3 6Gb/s, 64MB cache, 3.5", DT01ACA30
1 x Gigabyte GTX750Ti OC 2048 GDDR5 128bit
1 x SEASONIC 450G Power Supply, SS-450G, Haswell ready, G series
1 x Fractal Design Define R4 Arctic White, Mid Tower, ATX, Micro ATX
1 x Scythe Mugen Max, SCMGD-1000
1 x Dell P2414H (24", 1920x1080, IPS, Height Adjustable, Pivot)
1 x Logitech MK330 wireless desktop set, 2.4 GHz wireless range
1 x Logitech Z150 Multimedia Speakers, 6w, black
1 x Logitech H860 PC headset, Frequency response: 20 Hz - 20 kHz
1 x Logitech C525 HD, CMOS technology, 2580x2048 image resolution

$5137
craigslist.com
feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#7 ·
Good grief, everyone, thanks so much for the lightning-fast replies! :-)
I need to take some time to properly vet these components in peace before I get back to you with more questions...
For now, just one thing: this machine isn't actually for me. It'll be sitting on a relatively small desk with limited space around it, so I'm thinking I might have to juggle two different cases—and I definitely won't be running a dual-monitor setup... The workload shouldn't be intense enough to require heavy-duty 3D graphics, so I doubt I'll need anything "alien" in terms of a GPU... ;-) That said, the more RAM, the better, in my opinion. Talk soon!
darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#8 ·
I wasn't even thinking about dual monitors 😬

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feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#9 ·
That’s a stellar option, darkowl72! Once I’ve moved up in the world, that’s exactly what I’ll be picking up for myself! 😉

Unfortunately, she doesn't have the floor space for two separate setups, or it would be absolute chaos. And regardless of those specific business tasks mentioned, I'm fairly certain her requirements aren't actually quite that extreme...
It also seems to me that, for the time being, she won't need more than 16GB of RAM, for those same reasons. However, I will definitely opt for the motherboard with four RAM slots from the options provided, just in case we need to scale up later...
I’m going to sit down now and try to combine all this hard work you've done, then I'll get back to you with a configuration so you can polish it up—and yes, I’ll be paying attention to the aesthetics, since we are dealing with a lady here 🙂.
Since I received two different quotes from AMD (I'm not entirely sure where Robert Rodriguez2's pricing came from), I'm assuming that if they put together high-quality builds and ship them out, I should build the final spec using their prices. I trust they are among the more affordable options; otherwise, the community wouldn't be favoring them so heavily here, right?

I'll check back in an hour or so! 😁
darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#10 ·
I don't have any favorites. I just look for the best quality and the lowest prices. The only other thing that matters is your actual experience with a retailer—things like laggy sites, buggy interfaces, or how they handle returns and service. Newegg has a solid, well-designed site that makes building a rig easy while checking all those boxes. For the absolute cheapest deals, I always suggest checking PCPartPicker.

Keep one thing in mind: for that kind of workflow and running that many apps at once, you can never have too much RAM. No matter how fast an SSD is, RAM is faster. As long as you have free RAM, your applications won't need to touch the SSD or any hard drives at all.

You said it yourself: "multitasking that includes simultaneous 3D rendering, working in AutoCAD, 3ds Max, listening to music, having Office documents open and working in them in parallel, an active browser, some streaming, Dropbox syncing, and of course all the security tools,...."

You start a render that eats up as much RAM as it wants, then open a few browser tabs, several Office docs, and everything else you listed... Adding more RAM will give you the biggest overall system speed boost. Your CPU is going to be fighting to keep up with that workload too, which is why I suggested two different builds. Honestly, I bet you'll realize you need more RAM sooner rather than later.
Adam Moore3 Adam Moore3 Regular
322 messages
joined Jun 2014
#11 ·
Some sort of 2011-v3 i7 paired with 32 GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD should definitely fit in here. 🙂
analogtiger19 analogtiger19 Active Member
134 messages
joined Dec 2016
#12 ·
Adam Moore3 said:Some sort of 2011-v3 i7 paired with 32 GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD should definitely fit in here. 🙂

You thinking of the Halekov build? Yeah, that's my favorite too. 🙂

...but it’ll also bleed you dry.
feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#13 ·
Alright, analogtiger19, I hear what you're saying... though perhaps I was a bit excessive in my description of the workload. My goal is simply to secure a robust configuration that won't necessitate a total overhaul within the next three or four years. It’s entirely possible that the user's needs will evolve during that timeframe, making the demand for such a high-multitasking capacity even greater. Ideally, this build should remain viable through minor upgrades—like adding more RAM, swapping out the GPU, or installing a faster processor—if memory serves me correctly from my own days of upgrading hardware. 😁

Here is the proposed configuration, which is a synthesis of your suggestions. I would appreciate your assistance in determining whether the chassis provides sufficient clearance for the motherboard, the cooler, and the power supply... and if there are any compatibility issues regarding the RAM, motherboard, CPU, HDD, and so on.

I am somewhat conflicted because Halekov introduced a new socket, yet my research suggests that support for the older one remains perfectly adequate, with new processors still being released for it. Meanwhile, the price jump for the newer generation seems quite steep for what appears to be a relatively marginal gain in actual performance. I hope my decision to stick with the older (1150) platform isn't a significant oversight.

So, here we go:

- Motherboard: ASUS H97-PLUS, 1150, Intel ® H97 - 792.00

- CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 (3.60GHz, 1MB, 8MB, 84W, 1150) Box - 2657.99

- CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen MAX, SCMGD-1000 – 328.99

- RAM: 2X DDR3 8GB (1x8GB) Kingston, HyperX Fury, 1866MHz, CL10 - 380.00

- Power Supply: SEASONIC 450G, SS-450G, Haswell ready, G series - 673.99

- SSD Hard Drive: OCZ SSD ARC 100 240GB, OCZ Barefoot 3 M10 Controller - 749.99

- Hard Drive: TOSHIBA 2TB, 7200 rpm, SATA 3 6Gb/s, 64MB cache, 3.5", DT01ACA20 - 617.00

- Graphics Card: Gigabyte GTX750Ti OC 2048 GDDR5 128bit, GV-N75TOC-2GL - 1127.00

- Optical Drive: ASUS DRW-24F1ST/BLK/B/AS SATA, DVD-R 24x, DVD-RW 6x, DVD+R 24x - 134.99

- Case: Zalman Z3 mid tower case – 308.99

- Keyboard and Mouse: Logitech Wireless desktop MK330, Long-range 2.4 GHz wireless - 337.00

- Speakers: Logitech Multimedia Speakers Z200, black, 10w - 224.99

- Headset: Logitech H110, Frequency response 50 Hz to 15 kHz - 100.00

- Camera: Logitech HD C270, CMOS technology, Video resolution 1280x720 - 214.99

- Monitor: Dell P2414H (24", 1920x1080, IPS, Height Adjustable, Pivot - 1649.00

TOTAL: 10676.92

That is everything... I would also welcome any additional thoughts regarding the "noise levels" of this machine. Specifically, I am referring to the integrated case fans, the power supply, and the CPU cooler.

I opted for the Dell monitor because I recall how impressive their IPS panels were a few years back. Plus, it features a pivot function—something you might only use once a year, but when you actually need it, it's incredibly useful to have!😁

I still have this bias toward Asus motherboards; in my mind, they just feel higher quality than Asrock or MSI. Though, in all honesty, that probably just says how outdated my info is...

It’s hard to get an accurate sense of component colors through a screen (the monitor, keyboard, speakers, mouse, webcam, etc.), so I'm hoping those of you with experience using these parts can tell me if the colors are decent and won't be an eyesore. My wife is the one using this, so I really need to make sure the aesthetics aren't offensive 😉.

I was also considering suggesting a 2TB external 2.5'' HDD for backups so she can easily take it home with her. I'm not entirely sure if that's a necessary addition, so I'd appreciate your thoughts on that.
One more thing—I remember Toshiba HDDs being incredibly reliable, but man, were they loud. I'm hoping they've improved on the noise levels lately...?
feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#14 ·
Well, look at that... you two jumped right in while I was still typing my last thought... 😁

So, if we're talking about an 1150 setup with an extra 16GB of RAM... that whole configuration above plus $253 without even counting an external HDD?
analogtiger19 analogtiger19 Active Member
134 messages
joined Dec 2016
#15 ·
feraljackal21 said:Alright, analogtiger19, I hear what you're saying... though perhaps I was a bit excessive in my description of the workload. My goal is simply to secure a robust configuration that won't necessitate a total overhaul within the next three or four years. It’s entirely possible that the user's needs will evolve during that timeframe, making the demand for such a high-multitasking capacity even greater. Ideally, this build should remain viable through minor upgrades—like adding more RAM, swapping out the GPU, or installing a faster processor—if memory serves me correctly from my own days of upgrading hardware. 😁

Here is the proposed configuration, which is a synthesis of your suggestions. I would appreciate your assistance in determining whether the chassis provides sufficient clearance for the motherboard, the cooler, and the power supply... and if there are any compatibility issues regarding the RAM, motherboard, CPU, HDD, and so on.

I am somewhat conflicted because Halekov introduced a new socket, yet my research suggests that support for the older one remains perfectly adequate, with new processors still being released for it. Meanwhile, the price jump for the newer generation seems quite steep for what appears to be a relatively marginal gain in actual performance. I hope my decision to stick with the older (1150) platform isn't a significant oversight.

So, here we go:

- Motherboard: ASUS H97-PLUS, 1150, Intel ® H97 - 792.00

- CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 (3.60GHz, 1MB, 8MB, 84W, 1150) Box - 2657.99

- CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen MAX, SCMGD-1000 – 328.99

- RAM: 2X DDR3 8GB (1x8GB) Kingston, HyperX Fury, 1866MHz, CL10 - 380.00

- Power Supply: SEASONIC 450G, SS-450G, Haswell ready, G series - 673.99

- SSD Hard Drive: OCZ SSD ARC 100 240GB, OCZ Barefoot 3 M10 Controller - 749.99

- Hard Drive: TOSHIBA 2TB, 7200 rpm, SATA 3 6Gb/s, 64MB cache, 3.5", DT01ACA20 - 617.00

- Graphics Card: Gigabyte GTX750Ti OC 2048 GDDR5 128bit, GV-N75TOC-2GL - 1127.00

- Optical Drive: ASUS DRW-24F1ST/BLK/B/AS SATA, DVD-R 24x, DVD-RW 6x, DVD+R 24x - 134.99

- Case: Zalman Z3 mid tower case – 308.99

- Keyboard and Mouse: Logitech Wireless desktop MK330, Long-range 2.4 GHz wireless - 337.00

- Speakers: Logitech Multimedia Speakers Z200, black, 10w - 224.99

- Headset: Logitech H110, Frequency response 50 Hz to 15 kHz - 100.00

- Camera: Logitech HD C270, CMOS technology, Video resolution 1280x720 - 214.99

- Monitor: Dell P2414H (24", 1920x1080, IPS, Height Adjustable, Pivot - 1649.00

TOTAL: 10676.92

That is everything... I would also welcome any additional thoughts regarding the "noise levels" of this machine. Specifically, I am referring to the integrated case fans, the power supply, and the CPU cooler.

I opted for the Dell monitor because I recall how impressive their IPS panels were a few years back. Plus, it features a pivot function—something you might only use once a year, but when you actually need it, it's incredibly useful to have!😁

I still have this bias toward Asus motherboards; in my mind, they just feel higher quality than Asrock or MSI. Though, in all honesty, that probably just says how outdated my info is...

It’s hard to get an accurate sense of component colors through a screen (the monitor, keyboard, speakers, mouse, webcam, etc.), so I'm hoping those of you with experience using these parts can tell me if the colors are decent and won't be an eyesore. My wife is the one using this, so I really need to make sure the aesthetics aren't offensive 😉.

I was also considering suggesting a 2TB external 2.5'' HDD for backups so she can easily take it home with her. I'm not entirely sure if that's a necessary addition, so I'd appreciate your thoughts on that.
One more thing—I remember Toshiba HDDs being incredibly reliable, but man, were they loud. I'm hoping they've improved on the noise levels lately...?

The only real "win" with Halekov's chip choice is DDR4 support. Once we're done with Broadwell, the 1150 socket is basically a dead end. Intel just dropped the 1151 socket for those new Skylake chips (which also use DDR4), so 1150 is hitting its limit. Still, it's not exactly a catastrophe.
Grace Kern Grace Kern Member
19 messages
joined Apr 2014
#16 ·
You might want to consider opting for a XEON instead. It performs identically to an i7, with the only real difference being the lack of integrated graphics—which shouldn't matter much for your setup anyway:
1 x Intel ® Xeon ® Processor E3-1231 (8M Cache, 3.40 GHz)
2 x Kingston DDR3 1600MHz,C11, 8GB
1 x Asrock s1150 H97 ANNIVERSARY
1 x GIGABYTE Video Card GeForce GTX 750Ti GDDR5 2GB
1 x OCZ Arc 100 240GB SSD,
1 x Toshiba 2TB,7200rpm, 64MB HDD
1 x Zalman Z3, USB3.0 black
1 x Asus DRW-24F1ST/BLK/B/AS
1 x Super Flower Golden Green 350W, 80+ Gold
1 x desktop MK330
1 x Logitech Multimedia Speakers Z200, 2.0, black
1 x Logitech H110, headset with microphone
1 x Logitech HD C270, 720p, webcam
1 x Dell P2414H, 23.8"" (1920 x 1080), IPS, VGA, DVI, DisplayPort

Total: $3351
feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#17 ·
Oh boy... I am completely stuck here...

I’ve been reaching out for support and looking into some minor configuration tweaks, but all I’m getting are suggestions for new interfaces and various other upgrades... Look, I appreciate the input, really, but it’s just making it harder to actually commit to a final build... And if I were to push the limits $3333, I assume everyone would be gravitating toward something in the 1150 socket range... 🙂

Does that Xeon also become obsolete once the 2011 architecture hits? Of course it does, since it’s on an older socket. What was that processor even designed for—mobile devices? *mutter mutter*... It seems like a really unfortunate window of time to try and put together a solid, long-term configuration while trying to stay budget-friendly...

Can the setup I outlined above actually hold up for 4, 5, or even 6 years in a corporate environment—running about 8 hours a day, 6 days a week—without dying off in 2 or 3 years due to heavy workloads and the sheer demands of Windows with all its constant updates and INI files?
analogtiger19 analogtiger19 Active Member
134 messages
joined Dec 2016
#18 ·
feraljackal21 said:Oh boy... I am completely stuck here...

I’ve been reaching out for support and looking into some minor configuration tweaks, but all I’m getting are suggestions for new interfaces and various other upgrades... Look, I appreciate the input, really, but it’s just making it harder to actually commit to a final build... And if I were to push the limits $3333, I assume everyone would be gravitating toward something in the 1150 socket range... 🙂

Does that Xeon also become obsolete once the 2011 architecture hits? Of course it does, since it’s on an older socket. What was that processor even designed for—mobile devices? *mutter mutter*... It seems like a really unfortunate window of time to try and put together a solid, long-term configuration while trying to stay budget-friendly...

Can the setup I outlined above actually hold up for 4, 5, or even 6 years in a corporate environment—running about 8 hours a day, 6 days a week—without dying off in 2 or 3 years due to heavy workloads and the sheer demands of Windows with all its constant updates and INI files?

Of course it can. That thing is a beast. 👍
Angela Flores4 Angela Flores4 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jul 2015
#19 ·
feraljackal21 said:Oh boy... I am completely stuck here...

I’ve been reaching out for support and looking into some minor configuration tweaks, but all I’m getting are suggestions for new interfaces and various other upgrades... Look, I appreciate the input, really, but it’s just making it harder to actually commit to a final build... And if I were to push the limits $3333, I assume everyone would be gravitating toward something in the 1150 socket range... 🙂

Does that Xeon also become obsolete once the 2011 architecture hits? Of course it does, since it’s on an older socket. What was that processor even designed for—mobile devices? *mutter mutter*... It seems like a really unfortunate window of time to try and put together a solid, long-term configuration while trying to stay budget-friendly...

Can the setup I outlined above actually hold up for 4, 5, or even 6 years in a corporate environment—running about 8 hours a day, 6 days a week—without dying off in 2 or 3 years due to heavy workloads and the sheer demands of Windows with all its constant updates and INI files?

My previous setup featuring an i5 2500k ran flawlessly for three years. In fact, had I decided to hang onto that machine, I suspect it would have survived another 5 to 10 years, provided someone doesn't go and invent quantum processors in the meantime.

You are overthinking this far too much. If the user doesn't require massive, constant CPU or GPU power—meaning they aren't using a dedicated workstation—then $1,500 including peripherals is more than enough to cover their needs.
feraljackal21 feraljackal21 MemberOP
44 messages
joined Dec 2011
#20 ·
Well, those are the right words to say to an unsure, well-meaning guy. I really appreciate all the suggestions, advice, and links you've shared—not just now, but many times before!

Let him focus on working hard and making money with this setup, and hopefully, the company will make an effort to provide an employee like him with a brand-new computer in four or five years! ;-)

p.s.—The admin handles the hardware configurations; I’m trying to dig up that specific info online, but I can't find a definitive answer, so I won't spread any misinformation...

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